When will Video Card prices come down lower?

HockeyJon

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I agree with you outside of AAA game prices on consoles. AAA singleplayer games on console are far cheaper than PC after a shorter period of time since people buy it and flip it on the used market.

Where PC's are cheaper are with indie titles typically since you aren't limited to the XBOX/Playerstation/Nintendo shops on the console.

Fair point if you include the secondary market. We'll see how long that remains a thing though, as that may change if they try to shift the console market to digital download to save on publishing costs, shift players to upgrade to models with larger hard drives, and knock out this secondary market. I'm not saying they WILL do this, but it's a possibility. In the meantime though, very fair point.
 

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The 1660 super is a good card, especially at 1080p. I'm glad I got one before all this mayhem started.
Only raytracing, global illumination and next-gen features are underwhelming on high levels and the gap shall be more visible in upcoming year.
 

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I agree with you outside of AAA game prices on consoles. AAA singleplayer games on console are far cheaper than PC after a shorter period of time since people buy it and flip it on the used market.

Where PC's are cheaper are with indie titles typically since you aren't limited to the XBOX/Playerstation/Nintendo shops on the console.

Me agree also...
It's finally at a point to where I can at least go to Newegg and buy a GPU... Still can't go to Target or Walmart and get a new PS5 or Xbox Series X off the shelf.. (over a year after launch)
 

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5) Even the latest consoles will play certain games at similar quality settings and framerates as my GTX1070Ti, which came out in 2017.
Impossible to sell it to you and maybe a good example, you need to be a serious PC gamers and not have already something that make a $300 6500xt unattractive.

In any case, I'm willing to pay extra for a PC over console primarily because it's better for the games I like to play.
About everyone that buy expensive GPU for gaming are just like you.

3) Controllers suck for FPS and RTS games, which are the two primary genres that I like to play.
Isn't that many generation ago and can plug mouse keyboard on your modern console to play FPS ? I do not imagine the RTS offer exist much to start with too, but would one pay that price to upgrade GPUs for RTS games ?

The steams sales rebate angle is interesting if you did not overpay the pc by a large magnitude.

Anyway they seem to not sell out immediately online and stay on the shell on physical store already, while it is impossible to buy a PS5 $400.
 

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Impossible to sell it to you and maybe a good example, you need to be a serious PC gamers and not have already something that make a $300 6500xt unattractive.

The 6500XT is unattractive because it’s a garbage card that AMD couldn’t launch if we didn’t have a GPU supply shortage. That has nothing to do with a PC vs Console debate.

About everyone that buy expensive GPU for gaming are just like you.

Umm, ok, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at. I would expect everyone to “be like me” and buy what best fits their use case. It shouldn’t be a shocking revelation that people make decisions this way. I would expect anyone else who buys a gaming GPU to have the same rationale as I do for their purchase.

Isn't that many generation ago and can plug mouse keyboard on your modern console to play FPS ? I do not imagine the RTS offer exist much to start with too, but would one pay that price to upgrade GPUs for RTS games ?

The steams sales rebate angle is interesting if you did not overpay the pc by a large magnitude.

Anyway they seem to not sell out immediately online and stay on the shell on physical store already, while it is impossible to buy a PS5 $400.

Ok, so go buy a console then if it fits your use case, I really don’t care. I’m sorry you’re struggling with the concept that it doesn’t fit mine, but I much prefer PC gaming for the reasons I laid out. I’ve owned consoles too in the past, but they don’t offer me a better experience than my PC does so I play my PC instead. If you like your PS5 or whatever, knock yourself out.
 

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Mining is obviously a significant chunk of the issue here. When miners find a more efficient way to mine cryptocurrency that doesn't involve using a GPU, then you'll see the video card market finally cool off. Either that, or at some point, various lower-end GPU's that are currently being used, will no longer be profitable, even to the basement dwellers still living in their parents' place leeching off "free" electricity. *Maybe* they'll come down to the point of affordability for the moderate level gamer.

Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any other ways at this time, for miners to get their cryptocurrencies in a profitable manner, so the shortages and high prices are here to stay for a while. I could very well be wrong here, and if I am, then I'll be happy to say I was wrong.
 

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Umm, ok, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at. I would expect everyone to “be like me” and buy what best fits their use case. It shouldn’t be a shocking revelation that people make decisions this way. I would expect anyone else who buys a gaming GPU to have the same rationale as I do for their purchase.
I was not sure if you thought you were giving me non trivial information here, I bit like your point above, I already fully expected everyone to do that.

Ok, so go buy a console then if it fits your use case, I really don’t care. I’m sorry you’re struggling with the concept that it doesn’t fit mine, but I much prefer PC gaming for the reasons I laid out. I’ve owned consoles too in the past, but they don’t offer me a better experience than my PC does so I play my PC instead. If you like your PS5 or whatever, knock yourself out.
I am not sure why you are talking about me someone on the Hardforum.com message board or why you expect me for you to care, it has obviously nothing to do with the average poster here. We are talking about a potential buyer of a 6500xt card (i.e. certainly not you or me) in an hypothetical world where there is a PS5 next to it being sold only $400, if it would be a realistic price point to have nice sales volume or not and sustainable for many quarter or if it would pressure it down.
 

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A few years ago I was looking for nVidia, capable of H.265 hardware encoding. At first there was none. Then the first one emerged, cost $22,000 (yes, 22 thousand!). Guess what, I skipped that. Then the price started dropping. Didn't take too long and it was just under $200, that was a deal. I got an NV168 (TU116) based card. The 1080p video encoding which was in range 5-6 FPS with latest CPU and software encoding is done at around 200 FPS with my card. Yes, 200 FPS, much faster than realtime. Now a week ago I wanted to recommend the same chipset to a friend of mine. Some retailers have it listed for $230, but all of them are out of stock. Lowest price for available cards is $500. End of story. Sic transit gloria mundi.
 

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A few years ago I was looking for nVidia, capable of H.265 hardware encoding. At first there was none. Then the first one emerged, cost $22,000 (yes, 22 thousand!). Guess what, I skipped that. Then the price started dropping. Didn't take too long and it was just under $200, that was a deal. I got an NV168 (TU116) based card. The 1080p video encoding which was in range 5-6 FPS with latest CPU and software encoding is done at around 200 FPS with my card. Yes, 200 FPS, much faster than realtime. Now a week ago I wanted to recommend the same chipset to a friend of mine. Some retailers have it listed for $230, but all of them are out of stock. Lowest price for available cards is $500. End of story. Sic transit gloria mundi.
Yeah, things suck.
 

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Is it starting, the down tick in GPU prices? There is an Evga 3080 ti for 2179 that hasn't sold for over 50 minutes.
At least Amazon only claims there is 1 in stock the entire time. I got my fingers crossed!
 

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Is it starting, the down tick in GPU prices? There is an Evga 3080 ti for 2179 that hasn't sold for over 50 minutes.
At least Amazon only claims there is 1 in stock the entire time. I got my fingers crossed!

LOL I don't believe the prices are coming down.. but availability seems to be improving quite a bit.. I've noticed resell of RX-580's creeping down as well.. This is one of the hot mining GPU's it seems..
I'm only keeping an eye on this particular one because I'll be offloading mine once I get my hands on my incoming 6600 XT 🤪
 

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LOL I don't believe the prices are coming down.. but availability seems to be improving quite a bit.. I've noticed resell of RX-580's creeping down as well.. This is one of the hot mining GPU's it seems..
I'm only keeping an eye on this particular one because I'll be offloading mine once I get my hands on my incoming 6600 XT 🤪
Availability is the first step. (so the first step was a decrease in profitability for crypto.)
The second step is availability increases. This increases sales of used cards.
Used cards no longer sell for premium.
The cost of upgrade increases.
The sales of new cards decrease.
The cost of new cards decreases trying to maintain the sales.
Scalpers no longer buy and resell cards for a profit.
Card manufactures need to actually compete price wise.
Prices continue to decrease (both used and new markets).

At least that is what I kind of hope happens.

What I really hope happens is crypto mining is no longer profitable on 1080s and below. The crypto crew dumps 10s if thousands of cards into the used market trying to recoup the cost. The card market makes the correction we needed and we can get 1080s for 2 to 3 hundred bucks. This of course would lower new card costs.

But I am a dreamer. Good luck on getting your 6600xt at or below retail prices. I am looking for a 3070 for retail prices. FYI the card is still from Amazon.
 

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After your post an article hit the press that there is only "5 days supply of chips..."

🤣... volatile is best way to summarize this
 

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I really believe by summer things are going to normalize. We are already seeing cards stay in stock at inflated prices, as supply builds up I think it will push prices down -- then you have ETH proof of stake switch. Sure miners will move to other coins, but difficulty will explode and it may be months before something comes in to replace ethereum. Many people will sell or at least hold their most efficient hardware. I personally would LOVE to scoop up 6-8 amd 6800s for future speculative mining - but i dont want to pay over MSRP.

Really looking forward to intels product launch too. Since its not imported from china, it shouldnt hit us with the 25% tariff?

Edit: nevermind, looks like intel chips are subject to it anyway.
 

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There are two reasons for price increase. Separate reasons. Shortage and government monetary policy (printing paper money). While shortage may be transitory gov money printing does permanent damage. There was inflation in '70s and '80s, prices went up and never back down. This inflation we have now is worst in the US history, back in '80's they used different methods to calculate CPI and inflation. Using those old methods 2021 inflation would be over 15% already. Considering how steep was PPI increase in January 2022 in a few months it will be affecting CPI and 2022 inflation will dwarf what we had in 2021. Therefore, buy what you can NOW. May not be fully applicable to computer equipment, though, as this stuff gets cheaper when new designs become available, therefore somewhat neutralizing the impact of out of hand inflation.
 

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Availability is the first step. (so the first step was a decrease in profitability for crypto.)
The second step is availability increases. This increases sales of used cards.
Used cards no longer sell for premium.
The cost of upgrade increases.
The sales of new cards decrease.
The cost of new cards decreases trying to maintain the sales.
Scalpers no longer buy and resell cards for a profit.
Card manufactures need to actually compete price wise.
Prices continue to decrease (both used and new markets).

At least that is what I kind of hope happens.

What I really hope happens is crypto mining is no longer profitable on 1080s and below. The crypto crew dumps 10s if thousands of cards into the used market trying to recoup the cost. The card market makes the correction we needed and we can get 1080s for 2 to 3 hundred bucks. This of course would lower new card costs.

But I am a dreamer. Good luck on getting your 6600xt at or below retail prices. I am looking for a 3070 for retail prices. FYI the card is still from Amazon.
You may be a dreamer. I'm sure all the guys here are also dreamers. I certainly am.
 

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Me agree also...
It's finally at a point to where I can at least go to Newegg and buy a GPU... Still can't go to Target or Walmart and get a new PS5 or Xbox Series X off the shelf.. (over a year after launch)

I wonder why that is? Miners can't use the consoles. I suspect it's because the foundries don't make much profit off console chips, so they divert production to more profitable businesses, like GPUs. But it's pure speculation.
 

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Is it starting, the down tick in GPU prices? There is an Evga 3080 ti for 2179 that hasn't sold for over 50 minutes.
At least Amazon only claims there is 1 in stock the entire time. I got my fingers crossed!

Newegg shuffle prices have come down, and availability way up in the last month. I only watch 3060 to 3070 range so not sure about the higher end.
 

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I wonder why that is? Miners can't use the consoles. I suspect it's because the foundries don't make much profit off console chips, so they divert production to more profitable businesses, like GPUs. But it's pure speculation.
I can see some player doing just contract minimum to do higher margin stuff for sure and not able to compete to buy more space.

Are those numbers accurate:
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/45...ion-worldwide-hardware-estimates-for-jan-2-8/

only 30 millions new consoles in 15 months or so ?

Similar week in 2014
PS4: 200,399 units
Xbox: 87,898 unites

2022:
PS5: 220,613 units
XBOX: 151,846 units

It is more, so it is not because production is lower than back then, but considering the demand, just 10% more for the PS is low, the old Switch sales in January 2022 are twice those of the PS5.

Global hardware estimates (Followed by lifetime sales):

  1. Switch - 426,520 (102,316,148)
  2. PlayStation 5 - 220,613 (18,006,678)
  3. Xbox Series X|S - 151,846 (11,928,027)
  4. PlayStation 4 - 16,003 (116,558,250)
  5. Xbox One - 2,500 (50,501,490)
P.S. Do people remember the rumors NVIDIA stopped making Tegra X1 chips for Nintendo last summer ? I guess Nintendo did stock many millions of them somewhere ;)
 
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I still don't see much hope for prices yet... even for the cheapest 3000 series.
https://www.gamesradar.com/rtx-3050-pre-orders-price-specs-release-date/

The new RTX 3050 which was supposed to retail for $250:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814500528

A slightly faster overclock is going for $400 on NE Shuffle. The price gouging is ridiculous.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814500529

ZT-A30500E-10M (1777 MHz) vs ZT-A30500H-10M (1807 MHz)​

Sorry, 30 MHz overclock is not worth an extra $150 for me.
 

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I still don't see much hope for prices yet... even for the cheapest 3000 series.
https://www.gamesradar.com/rtx-3050-pre-orders-price-specs-release-date/

The new RTX 3050 which was supposed to retail for $250:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814500528

A slightly faster overclock is going for $400 on NE Shuffle. The price gouging is ridiculous.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814500529

ZT-A30500E-10M (1777 MHz) vs ZT-A30500H-10M (1807 MHz)​

Sorry, 30 MHz overclock is not worth an extra $150 for me.

Someone obviously needs them more than us cause they're selling at these prices. Probably miners, not sure why a gamer would buy this over a 2060?
 

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Looking at the automotive market, multiple sources are projecting an easing of the supply there second half 2022. This includes ICs, but also other components like capacitors and other small stuff. Many manufacturers of cars and other products have been hoarding as much supply as they could, which has exacerbated the whole shortage by making an already strained supply situation worse.

Hopefully in the consumer market this will mean being able to get products like GPUs and things like Raspberry Pi SBCs at anywhere near MSRP, and not from scalpers for a change :)
 

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Geez, and this point,
I wouldn't be mad if bitcoin mining is disable in hardware in the new "Gaming" video cards 😒
 

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Someone obviously needs them more than us cause they're selling at these prices. Probably miners, not sure why a gamer would buy this over a 2060?
According to how close a 2060 is to a 3060 LHR:
https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/nvidia-rtx-3060-lhr/nvidia-rtx-2060

Not sure a miner would have interest in paying more for a 3050 than a 2060 either

But can you buy a 2060 for less on Newegg ? The cheapest seem to be $572 for a refurbished they seem mostly above $600, if so very easy to see a gamer or miner buying a 3050 at "only" $400 instead.
 

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According to how close a 2060 is to a 3060 LHR:
https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/nvidia-rtx-3060-lhr/nvidia-rtx-2060

Not sure a miner would have interest in paying more for a 3050 than a 2060 either

But can you buy a 2060 for less on Newegg ? The cheapest seem to be $572 for a refurbished they seem mostly above $600, if so very easy to see a gamer or miner buying a 3050 at "only" $400 instead.

Someone posted a deal for a 2060 12GB for $500 at Newegg, seems to be long gone.
 

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A lot of sources says GPU are out of stock or the phrase GPU shortage is widely used. Have you seen such extreme cases? I haven't. GPUs were always quite available. I find it paradoxical that shortage is not really a big deal. Maybe when GPU lauched you would need to wait a week before reaching stock.
 

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I mine and mining is about 95% the reason for the GPU shortage.


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Just checked FHR 30-series prices on Ebay for the first time since October (last time I recorded data).
Down about 30% across the board. Ex: 3080's were averaging $2000-$2200 are now $1400-$1600.

I don't have anything specific on non-LHR cards unfortunately.
 

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Cards are still dropping at regular prices, but you need to be watching via discords, etc. I guess it depends how much effort you are willing to put into it, but also what will you compromise for them. For instance...there are combo deals available on asus right now.

https://shop.asus.com/us/store-only-products/ec-only-product/ec-only-category.html

Also ( i have not had any luck) there is Newegg shuffles...one starting again here in a few.

https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle?Tpk=shuffle

EVGA is also having a que system starting today

https://www.evga.com/support/queue3/

Just some options if you are still looking.

We'll sell you a 3060Ti at $600, but only if you buy a $500 1080p monitor along with it.

I've also won the shuffle 3-4 times. I picked up a 3060ti, a 12900k, and had opportunities to buy multiple PS5's, but I already had one and none of my friends wanted the ridiculous bundle.
 

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Mining is obviously a significant chunk of the issue here. When miners find a more efficient way to mine cryptocurrency that doesn't involve using a GPU, then you'll see the video card market finally cool off. Either that, or at some point, various lower-end GPU's that are currently being used, will no longer be profitable, even to the basement dwellers still living in their parents' place leeching off "free" electricity. *Maybe* they'll come down to the point of affordability for the moderate level gamer.

Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any other ways at this time, for miners to get their cryptocurrencies in a profitable manner, so the shortages and high prices are here to stay for a while. I could very well be wrong here, and if I am, then I'll be happy to say I was wrong.

No it isn't. The fact that you can't get a unmineable PS5 or XBSX a year after launch shows that the issue isn't just "mining."
 

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Pretty sure console demand would be lower if gaming PCs werent well beyond most gamer's budgets.

Yeah, but I haven't seen silica cat litter on shelves locally for more than a year. I'm pretty sure even the packets of "do not eat" are getting smaller.

If we're taking things in a greater perspective, miners still aren't the root cause.
 

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Yeah, but I haven't seen silica cat litter on shelves locally for more than a year. I'm pretty sure even the packets of "do not eat" are getting smaller.

If we're taking things in a greater perspective, miners still aren't the root cause.

I've said in other threads they are a factor, but they aren't the only factor. Look at the RTX 3050. You can't buy the card at retail just like everything else. It doesn't mine for shit. You're talking an ROI of years. Still not available.
 

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That is a pretty vacuum perspective. Pretty sure console demand would be lower if gaming PCs werent well beyond most gamer's budgets.

I don't agree. Production of everything is in the toilet. You still can't buy a NIB 5 year old Nintendo Switch at retail just walking into a B&M store. Mining profits are as low as they've been since Ampere/RDNA2 launched, but I can't buy a card anywhere near the MSRP. I mean NE just had a shellshocker where they were charging $470 for a 1660 Super that initially retailed at $229.

At some point people are going to stop with the "crypto bad" mentality and realize there are other factors why things are expensive.
 

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We'll sell you a 3060Ti at $600, but only if you buy a $500 1080p monitor along with it.

I've also won the shuffle 3-4 times. I picked up a 3060ti, a 12900k, and had opportunities to buy multiple PS5's, but I already had one and none of my friends wanted the ridiculous bundle.
I hear ya, but like you I am watching discords and seen plenty of cards drop that I could have gotten at reasonable pricing. I think the bundles are garbage unless you are needing those things. Just last week there was a Best buy drop of almost all cards and PS5s. I got what I needed like you, but also see this kind of constant monitoring in order to instant click to get the item is ridiculous...BUT it worked.
 
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