viscountalpha
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This is also coming from a man who is willing to buy an alchemist gpu and see how it is in the real world.
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The money is there. And the ability to use gpus as a second processor is only more tempting now. I have hope. As long as intel doesn't pull the plug too soon.
Intel continued developing larrabee for 3 generations after. They made them into decent x86 processors after developing past the coprocessor stage.i'm very close to people who work at intel. Intel also has a bad habit of not seeing things through and dropping projects before they ever bear fruit and spend literally millions to only break even. Larrabee is a PERFECT example of what should have been continued to be invested into since they are doing alchemist now.
The money is there. And the ability to use gpus as a second processor is only more tempting now. I have hope. As long as intel doesn't pull the plug too soon.
Intel continued developing larrabee for 3 generations after.
I was talking specifically about the revisions to the arch that made larrabee.Intel discrete graphics is -- debatably -- two or three generations out after its first failure to precipitate.
An actually dgpu for gaming is something intel hasnt seriously tried for a very long time.
Nothing was stopping them from fabing a capable piece of silicone for years. Intel can make a GPU there just wasn't any market for a underperforming consumer GPU up until now. Past attempts were software solutions on hpc accelerators. Fairly different then anything a consumer would want. (And those hpc accelerators were fairly capable even making there way into a handful of supercomputers)They've been trying it non-stop for like, seven or eight years? From concept to where we are, that feels about right. Plus or minus a year or so.
This is the big, last hurrah. Unless there's a sparkle, a gleam of hope, the same way that Pentium M paved the way for Core. But they're already way more invested, and I don't think it's a glitter, but rather, a beacon.
Nothing was stopping them from fabing a capable piece of silicone for years.
Interesting about Intel. What with their product roadmaps, you might have throught that they had a 'stragetic long range' plan. Maybe not. I will make the controversial observation that tech companies run by techies don't always make the best business decisions, just the best technology decisions. (I saw this up close and personal at Novell.) As long as the best technology decisions produce a good those leaders look good. Otherwise, you have companies like Novell as a sad example.i'm very close to people who work at intel. Intel also has a bad habit of not seeing things through and dropping projects before they ever bear fruit and spend literally millions to only break even. Larrabee is a PERFECT example of what should have been continued to be invested into since they are doing alchemist now.
The money is there. And the ability to use gpus as a second processor is only more tempting now. I have hope. As long as intel doesn't pull the plug too soon.
Interesting about Intel. What with their product roadmaps, you might have throught that they had a 'stragetic long range' plan. Maybe not. I will make the controversial observation that tech companies run by techies don't always make the best business decisions, just the best technology decisions. (I saw this up close and personal at Novell.) As long as the best technology decisions produce a good those leaders look good. Otherwise, you have companies like Novell as a sad example.
What with their product roadmaps, you might have throught that they had a 'stragetic long range' plan. Maybe not.
'Gamers' will not like this but the answer is NEVER. Any other answer is a waste of time.
There is not only institutional but also public sector backing of crypto now and that means never...just more words to arrive at the same conclusion. You no longer 'buy' a GPU but 'aspire to acquire' one at a decent price, nuff said, merry Xmas.That's not a realistic answer whatsoever. It's whatever the market will accept. Saying "NEVER" is almost guaranteed to be incorrect as your don't have any evidence to support your claim. The chip shortage isn't going to be around forever. Prices should come back to some sort of reason. It's to the point where the us government is interceding and saying "We need more chips"
There is not only institutional but also public sector backing of crypto now and that means never...just more words to arrive at the same conclusion. You no longer 'buy' a GPU but 'aspire to acquire' one at a decent price, nuff said, merry Xmas.
Someone clearly needs to chill on ChristmasBullshit. Based on what? You need to cite evidence if you want to say "never". You're making insane remarks with very little supporting evidence. "Crypto will keep pushing" Is not evidence. You are trying to backtrack without any actual proof that this is a "never" scenario.
I cited actual things if you had any patience to actually read. https://www.windowscentral.com/chipmakers-share-data-us-government-combat-global-chip-shortage, " Congress could fund the bipartisan CHIPS for America Act"
How many years would your "never" scenario last for? What market influences have to come and go to prove your idea?
If you want to talk trash, that's fine. But talking trash to me? I will verbally shred you if you can't put up any hard evidence.
Game, Set, match.
That really doesn't make much sense considering their cards are selling at nearly 3 times what they priced them at when they launched. The 3070 was touted as the greatest card of all time because it had elite performance at a mid-level price point. They literally cannot manufacture the cards fast enough to bring down the price.I like to think that NVidia is trying to be like OPEC. When the price of oil gets too low, they agree on cutbacks in production.
And NVidia and AMD don't have to meet in some hotel room to "fix" prices. They don't have to. They just watch either other's behavior, just like the US airlines.
Si=i KazeoHin is right on all point in this post. These new prices may put a crimp on gamers' ability to upgrade, but the game software companies would have to pressure NVidia (and AMD) to reduce prices. In other words, hahahahaha.
Q3 sales numbers showed highest production numbers ever for AMD and Nvidia. Yet we still have people even here who think that the world gained that many PC enthusiasts and gamers overnight which explains the demand.That really doesn't make much sense considering their cards are selling at nearly 3 times what they priced them at when they launched. The 3070 was touted as the greatest card of all time because it had elite performance at a mid-level price point. They literally cannot manufacture the cards fast enough to bring down the price.
I think that gamers are going to face the fact that games are no longer the central focus for GPU makers. It's the miners, the AI developers, the datacenters, the advanced "creative" programs, etc., and all those are business uses which have pretty deep pockets for what they need to run their business.What is considered "normal" these days?
Aside from a bit of a chip switch compared to Turing (i.e. the 3080 having the 102 instead of the 104), the MSRP's themselves are largely still the same crap from Turing era that nobody liked. So even if we eventually go back to having products available at their MSRP's, they are not great and will still be overpriced compared to what we used to get. I am not sure anything really goes back to "normal" ever again.
If you are asking when prices go back to MSRP's, I am just going to say don't hold your breath. Companies like Nvidia are perfectly happy selling their cards to miners for as much as they can until that ship sails. I feel like I have heard ETH was supposed to go away from proof of work for years now and yet here we still are. I'll believe it when I see it...
Between miners, supply chain, etc. there's no easy answer here, or easily perceivable timeframe to give an answer.
Sadly you're rightI think that gamers are going to face the fact that games are no longer the central focus for GPU makers. It's the miners, the AI developers, the datacenters, the advanced "creative" programs, etc., and all those are business uses which have pretty deep pockets for what they need to run their business.
I've seen Ubisoft, Bethesda and such companies promote Nvidia's and AMD's high profile cards.Realtime raytracing was improved a lot in 3000 series so there is work done for games. How much of focus it gets, I don't know.I think that gamers are going to face the fact that games are no longer the central focus for GPU makers. It's the miners, the AI developers, the datacenters, the advanced "creative" programs, etc., and all those are business uses which have pretty deep pockets for what they need to run their business.
Right, and we should (the free world)As long as fab capacity is constrained Intel is not going to make any difference. Intel is using TSMC, not its own fabs for GPU.
As long as fab capacity is constrained Intel is not going to make any difference. Intel is using TSMC, not its own fabs for GPU.
Intel is building 2 new factiories in Arizona so maybe they will double or triple the capacity.As long as fab capacity is constrained Intel is not going to make any difference. Intel is using TSMC, not its own fabs for GPU.
Intel is building 2 new factiories in Arizona so maybe they will double or triple the capacity.
And does that include a robust program to assure compatibility with games and other applications benefiting from a GPU? You might think that if Intel were working with lots of game software companies on this issue, then we would have heard about it already. NDAs are never 100% airtight.Intel Arc 512/16GB and 384/12GB are expected to launch in March next year, to compete with the 3070 series and 3060 series, respectively.
The US economy is more wobby than anyone in the government wants to admit. Still high unemployment, now inflation, and persistent supply chain issues. I'm not sure that the government has a grip on all that. But "culture wars" surely are avoiding all these issues.Seeing the internal state of the USA also leads me to believe we are beyond peak consumerism - as in, we are not getting cheap stuff at the expense of the rest of the world much longer.