What's this about an AMD-ARM server CPU?

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More details here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6418/...d-opteron-cpus-for-servers-production-in-2014

I've already said it before several times in this subforum:
AMD really needs to seriously consider an ARM-based APU for mobile devices. Acquire an ARM license, and take that to make an ARM-based APU with Radeon GCN cores. Challenge Nvidia's Tegra, Apple's A-series mobile processors, and Qualcomm's Snapdragon. Many of them use PowerVR SG-series mobile GPUs or Mali. It's a market worth considering.

An affordable ARM-based APU for tablets with Windows 8 RT or Android OS could be tempting for a lot of consumers, especially if it has a very good Radeon GPU core.
 

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I think these are light use cluster server CPUs. Energy savings in server gear. I totally agree AMD should join the mobile market but it's not what this CPU will be for.
 
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Sounds like a very high risk strategy to me, given that AMD barely has the money to keep the lights on. IMHO it also marks an even greater emphasis on server side manufacturing and a move away from the enthusiast market.
 

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they can keep the lights on for a couple more years at this pace.
then they might go extinct.
 

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they can keep the lights on for a couple more years at this pace.
then they might go extinct.

Yeah, I give them two years tops. IMHO: Then they'll either vanish into an ARM or similar takeover, or they'll just go Chapter 7/11/13. Adieu AMD, we knew you well!
 
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I really hope AMD hits it out of the park this ARM strategy. Not that I want either AMD or Intel to crash and burn, but I think the consumer wins when there are at least a couple of players in the game.
 

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I really hope AMD hits it out of the park this ARM strategy. Not that I want either AMD or Intel to crash and burn, but I think the consumer wins when there are at least a couple of players in the game.

Yeah, but which game? I'm a dyed in the wool antimonopolist, but right now we have a total monopoly in the high end enthusiast market. There will always be companies chasing the huge server market, but the standalone personal workstation is fully Intel and looks to stay that way for the rest of time unless something really weird happens.
 

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Yeah, I give them two years tops. IMHO: Then they'll either vanish into an ARM or similar takeover, or they'll just go Chapter 7/11/13. Adieu AMD, we knew you well!

AMD is doing well on mainstream desktops, APU's sales are only going up. AMD also has deals with all 3 console makers for their next gen systems.

Future sales are not in 1K computers but 400 dollar systems, mobile and low power server.
 

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Yeah, but which game? I'm a dyed in the wool antimonopolist, but right now we have a total monopoly in the high end enthusiast market. There will always be companies chasing the huge server market, but the standalone personal workstation is fully Intel and looks to stay that way for the rest of time unless something really weird happens.


AMD makes a great CPU at it's price point, even with gaming 99.5% of human beings could not destinguish between my FX 6300 playing Metro 2033 and the highest priced Core i7.

Desktop software just isn't pushing current hardware to it's limits, lower priced items from AMD and Intel are "Good Enough"


4 years ago I built my Phenom 1 system with 8 Gigs of DDR2 memory

Last night I built my new FX system, with 8 gigs of memeory....
 

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AMD is doing well on mainstream desktops, APU's sales are only going up. AMD also has deals with all 3 console makers for their next gen systems.

Yup, the future is looking up! That must be why the stock is up to a dizzying $2.05 and the market cap is under $1.5 bil, which means that with its Q3 net profit alone, Intel could buy 2 AMDs and have enough money left over to buy 400 2012 Ferrari 458 Italias. (Insert sarcastic smile here)

AMD makes a great CPU at it's price point, even with gaming 99.5% of human beings could not destinguish between my FX 6300 playing Metro 2033 and the highest priced Core i7.
Desktop software just isn't pushing current hardware to it's limits, lower priced items from AMD and Intel are "Good Enough"
4 years ago I built my Phenom 1 system with 8 Gigs of DDR2 memory
Last night I built my new FX system, with 8 gigs of memeory....

No argument that computing performance in general is flatlining and users are by and large accepting it, but just speaking for myself, that sucks. I need megapower for my work uses and I couldn't care less about APUs and perf/watt for the vast majority of midrange CPUs that have zero relevance to how I use my computer.
 

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Yup, the future is looking up! That must be why the stock is up to a dizzying $2.05 and the market cap is under $1.5 bil, which means that with its Q3 net profit alone, Intel could buy 2 AMDs and have enough money left over to buy 400 2012 Ferrari 458 Italias. (Insert sarcastic smile here)
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Tech companies go belly up all the time, AMD would prob be bought out. Not a big deal, it's just a product, another company would take their place. It's just a CPU not a religion.



No argument that computing performance in general is flatlining and users are by and large accepting it, but just speaking for myself, that sucks. I need megapower for my work uses and I couldn't care less about APUs and perf/watt for the vast majority of midrange CPUs that have zero relevance to how I use my computer.
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I work in the Network/IT support industry, I deal with tech headaches all day long. When I get home, I just want things to work with minimal problems, that is why I don't overclock anything.
 

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Desktop software just isn't pushing current hardware to it's limits

programmers are trying their best to bloat their programs and not optimize them. Just have to wait for the next generation of developers out of college.
 

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I like the part where the analyst suggests that AMD might sell off their graphics division to Intel as it's worth about 2 billion.

I can't see where they get 2 billion for the graphics unit since the current price of AMD's stock for the entire company is 1.49 billion dollars US.

707.56 million outstanding shares X ~$2.11 each (current price).

http://www.google.com/finance?cid=327
 
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I can't see where they get 2 billion for the graphics unit since the current price of AMD's stock for the entire company is 1.49 billion dollars US.

707.56 million outstanding shares X ~$2.11 each (current price).

http://www.google.com/finance?cid=327

Maybe because Wall St. is seeing AMD as a half a bil drag on ATI? :D AMD has unfortunately (and keep in mind I bought nothing but AMD CPUs in the good ol' days) become a dead man walking joke of a company.
 

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I don't care what anyone says or thinks, but Nvidia will not let that happen.

i am going to have to agree with you. However the premise here of amd leaving x86 and is faltering so bad they need to sell off the a critical chunk of ip that is actually making the company money and is now so tightly woven into their cpu business as it would literally and figuratively kill them is asinine. folks lets be real here this is amd executing its ip strategy, think it over for a moment 64 bit arm cores on the same die with radon graphics or x86 cpu's. this is an off the shelf ip block designed by arm http://www.tomshardware.com/news/arm-armv8-cortex-a53-cortex-a57,18834.html all amd has to do is put it on silicon package with its own ip put it in its opteron branded box and sell it. then profit? if it does well enough perhaps amd will go after nv's tegra line with an arm line of its own who knows at this point but this is a good move for amd
 
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i am going to have to agree with you. However the premise here of amd leaving x86 and is faltering so bad they need to sell off the a critical chunk of ip that is actually making the company money and is now so tightly woven into their cpu business as it would literally and figuratively kill them is asinine. folks lets be real here this is amd executing its ip strategy, think it over for a moment 64 bit arm cores on the same die with radon graphics or x86 cpu's. this is an off the shelf ip block designed by arm http://www.tomshardware.com/news/arm-armv8-cortex-a53-cortex-a57,18834.html all amd has to do is put it on silicon package with its own ip put it in its opteron branded box and sell it. then profit? if it does well enough perhaps amd will go after nv's tegra line with an arm line of its own who knows at this point but this is a good move for amd

Well, it's a good move for AMD unless you're a poweruser or enthusiast who is dreaming of a competitor to Haswell. I'm completely dismayed by Intel's "let's chill out, have a beer or two, and figure out when we're gonna get around to releasing the next high end CPU" attitude. Monopolies totally suck, and anyone who thinks that Intel doesn't have a monopoly on the high end consumer CPU market should look up the definition in the dictionary. This guy turned out to be a prophet, considering he wrote this in 2007:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244927-28-licino-failures-triggering-intel-monopoly
 

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Well, it's a good move for AMD unless you're a poweruser or enthusiast who is dreaming of a competitor to Haswell. I'm completely dismayed by Intel's "let's chill out, have a beer or two, and figure out when we're gonna get around to releasing the next high end CPU" attitude. Monopolies totally suck, and anyone who thinks that Intel doesn't have a monopoly on the high end consumer CPU market should look up the definition in the dictionary. This guy turned out to be a prophet, considering he wrote this in 2007:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244927-28-licino-failures-triggering-intel-monopoly

What about people that BLATANTLY IGNORE multi threaded/multi core programs performance on AMD cpus, and just look at low quality WoW/Skyrim settings performance and go buy an Intel CPU because of it?

IMHO Intels dishonest marketing keeps them on top. (Dell, online/offline magazine reviews/rigged-unrealistic benching etc.)
 

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What about people that BLATANTLY IGNORE multi threaded/multi core programs performance on AMD cpus, and just look at low quality WoW/Skyrim settings performance and go buy an Intel CPU because of it?

IMHO Intels dishonest marketing keeps them on top. (Dell, online/offline magazine reviews/rigged-unrealistic benching etc.)

I don't wanna start a flame war but are you honestly stating that AMD will have a CPU by Haswell's debut date that is even in the same league, no matter what benchmark you want to apply to it? :confused:
 

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I don't wanna start a flame war but are you honestly stating that AMD will have a CPU by Haswell's debut date that is even in the same league, no matter what benchmark you want to apply to it? :confused:

Dude this is why I had you on ignore this last year...uhm I think a mod messed up my account cuz I'm seeing your posts again lmao! You do not want a flame war, ok why would I?

Are you comparing AMD ARM to Haswell...ughhh I dunno much about either honestly. I'm sure there is no data on the 2 anyhow...to speak without it sounding off.

Oh I'm seeing your name and posts because I wasn't logged in my bad! I need to just log in and quit getting on other peoples laptops/pc's...oh man now I feel bad for everyone here, oops.

OK now you want me to try and answer your convoluted question about the league of an unrealeased AMD CPU and how it competes with your favorite brand Intel/Haswell...REALLY?...yikes! No thanks bro I'm just going to say wait and see what ARM is until you bash it all to hell and back, which is what u seem to be looking to do OBVIOUSLY!
 

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i am going to have to agree with you. However the premise here of amd leaving x86 and is faltering so bad they need to sell off the a critical chunk of ip that is actually making the company money and is now so tightly woven into their cpu business as it would literally and figuratively kill them is asinine. folks lets be real here this is amd executing its ip strategy, think it over for a moment 64 bit arm cores on the same die with radon graphics or x86 cpu's. this is an off the shelf ip block designed by arm http://www.tomshardware.com/news/arm-armv8-cortex-a53-cortex-a57,18834.html all amd has to do is put it on silicon package with its own ip put it in its opteron branded box and sell it. then profit? if it does well enough perhaps amd will go after nv's tegra line with an arm line of its own who knows at this point but this is a good move for amd

That does seem logical and something AMD would attempt to do again. Invest in a wise business decision to compete in a newer tech area. You r the only one who posts insights worth reading haha! Afterall they did BUY ATi for a reason now didn't they ;) Oh well I guess if your a butthurt Intel fan with their integrated GPU u have to hate AMD to make up for their GPU's lack luster performance??

Some people here just seem to put no thought into it, but ever since AMD has been doing its own thing I'm liking it. I don't see why people have such a problem with it? What AMD does with its investments, (get a life) it seems every news post someone from the Intel fanboy side has to come here and create a thread or BASH their latest moves in the industry to DEATH. SOME even before the products RELEASE! AMD being they r successful with their GPUs, APUs and this newer version of the less than stellar gen 1 BD.

Everything I see AMD do well they are simply getting better and better at. Obviously Intel fans HATE this to no end and we get their insightful opinions now dont we Maxius :D haha oh well it makes me laugh at their silly hatred but wow they actually believe it themselves, they should see doctors imho. They go to far.
 

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teletran8, the company that you're so enamored of has lost 95% of its stock value in the past few years, has essentially given up the high end enthusiast market (which is the only one I'm interested in), and has effectively eviscerated itself with Barcelona, Bulldozer, and other massive humiliating facepalm phails. So, yeah, I have absolutely no desire to go mano a mano in a flame war because anyone who states that AMD will have a competitor to Haswell in the enthusiast market by its launch has been getting high on their own supply, so you might want to make sure that I'm on your ignore list permanently.
 
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