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[WCCF] [IgorsLab] Alleged performance benchmarks for the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT "Big Navi" graphics card have been leaked out.
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Sounds spicy.
Though honestly midranged performance is more important market wise. If their 3070 competitor wins they will thrash nvidia this round.
Though honestly midranged performance is more important market wise. If their 3070 competitor wins they will thrash nvidia this round.
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Ooh!
3DMark, my favorite game!
3DMark, my favorite game!
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10 bucks says NVidia's shortages of the current 30x0 gen is cause they know they already need Super variants to head exactly this off... and have been trying to pivot this entire time.
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Better game than AotS and Cinebench though.
Hopefully legit. Seems to fit with what people in the known have been smirking about for awhile now. If its a bit faster in raster.... and around equal to 2000 class ray tracing performance. AMD will have a massive winner.
Keep in mind even if 3000 class cards are better at RT... which is very likely. That gap will probably close over the life of the card, as that same RT hardware is in both consoles. Games coming out next year for all 3 platforms are going to be heavily tuned for AMD hardware.
Only a few days from confirmation.
Keep in mind even if 3000 class cards are better at RT... which is very likely. That gap will probably close over the life of the card, as that same RT hardware is in both consoles. Games coming out next year for all 3 platforms are going to be heavily tuned for AMD hardware.
Only a few days from confirmation.
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Unfortunately this game has been played and doesnt matter. AMD has to beat the label as the value choice in order to beat Nvidia. Even if these numbers are real they will sell less by the end of the generation and people that never had plans on buying one will complain about the price of them. I have 2 of these I want to get but I will probably be in the minority of seeing these as good cards without attaching price to them. Do this for a couple gens and they have a shot.
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10 bucks says NVidia's shortages of the current 30x0 gen is cause they know they already need Super variants to head exactly this off... and have been trying to pivot this entire time.
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I agree. They have to stay there to become relevent in that market. IIRC last time they were there was during the HD 7000 series vs 600 series.
This is very encouraging, I would love to see NVidia spanked a little to get their heads in a different mindset, they have been releasing good stuff and their R&D game is on point but lately, they have been focusing too much on the brand name and building an image of being the top dog while not doing enough to bring up the middle ground. I look forward to seeing what AMD puts out there in the low profile sub 60w category, the R7 240 is a little dated at this point.
Early rumors were likely based on pre-release drivers that purposely crippled the card by about 10%. That is likely where the 2080 Ti + 15% rumors stemmed. Now it seems like with regular drivers the 6800XT competes toe to toe with the 3080. It’s also likely the card that was previewed during the Zen 3 reveal. Those benchmarks showed it was within ~5% of the performance of the 3080.
I think the top dog 6900XT might surpass the 3090 since the performance difference between the 3080 and 3090 is only 10%. And the difference between the 6800XT and 6900XT appears to be more than that on paper.
Also, where did you see it was cheaper? I haven’t seen any leaks on pricing.
I haven't see any price leaks but just going off AMD's usual practice of undercutting Nvidia...although that was when they were behind...if Big Navi is as good as the leaks they may have to price them higher...but I still think they will be a bit lower
There were some early rumors that the top card would be $600-650 but it was early enough that I doubt even AMD had that nailed down at that point. Seeing these numbers makes me think that the 6800xt might slot in around that price.
It does seem like AMD is keeping that info tightly controlled so I wouldn't trust anything until the official announcement.
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Lisa will be announcing in a Leather Jacket.
And she will be pulling big navi out of a fridge and not an oven cuz it runs cooler to boot.
And she will be pulling big navi out of a fridge and not an oven cuz it runs cooler to boot.
What you dont see is that 3dmark translates almost 1:1 to real world gaming performance because they utilize the same graphics techniques that major developers use. That is why 3dMark is the gold standard. Im guessing you bought a 3080? I understand you might be upset - I knew I was going to be if I purchased a card - thats why I waited and boy am I glad I did. I guarantee if you own a 3080 you could flip that card for what or more than you paid in 2 days tops and get a Navi 21 or keep the card and just enjoy it because 3080 is a beast of a card.
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Consolidated graph from Reddit:
AMD can more easily sell GPUs now without heavy discounts, because they have improved their brand awareness by winning in the CPU market. Winning in the GPU market is going to magnify that benefit.
I figured Navi would be a hit, because they are talking about dropping $30BN on Xilinx. They must figure they are going to have the future revenue to absorb a large acquisition like that.
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I would have liked better ray tracing performance, but it's understandable comparing AMD gen 1 to Nvidia Gen 2.
However, ray tracing is still early and most games don't support it, so better raster perf is still a win for like 99% of your Steam library.
AMD might be able to make a big play here if pricing is correct and stock is ample. This is the closest they've been in forever (maybe since the ATI days) I really hope they don't bungle it.
However, ray tracing is still early and most games don't support it, so better raster perf is still a win for like 99% of your Steam library.
AMD might be able to make a big play here if pricing is correct and stock is ample. This is the closest they've been in forever (maybe since the ATI days) I really hope they don't bungle it.
These benchmarks to me are showing:
Big Navi is the best choice for DX11 games. (Firestrike)
Ampere is the best choice for RT games. (Port Royal)
Either Ampere or Big Navi are good for DX12 games. (Time Spy)
I imagine most games moving forward will be DX12, but having that better DX11 performance is always nice for still fairly recently released games.
Big Navi is the best choice for DX11 games. (Firestrike)
Ampere is the best choice for RT games. (Port Royal)
Either Ampere or Big Navi are good for DX12 games. (Time Spy)
I imagine most games moving forward will be DX12, but having that better DX11 performance is always nice for still fairly recently released games.
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Looking like Big Navi will be my next video card, rumors this close to launch should be far more accurate.
I would agree although fortunately it doesn't take much for them to win this generation. There is ALOT of market support for AMD for them to be able to pull of a acquisition like that and they cant afford to mismanage Xilinx if they do so we me see some interesting products emerge from AMD in the following years.
A RT benchmark designed for RTX because that was the only available option.
Well nV has to perform magic finger sparkles called DLSS to get good Raster. It appears AMD is doing it raw and organic hardcore rasterizin'
Anyways I was looking at 6900xt but I only run 1440p 240hz so I think 6800xt is more than enough card for my wallet. And since both have 16GiB frame buffer it should really mean 6900xt if that variant indeed exists is just a equalizer against 3090.
I doubt id see even an inkling of performance difference at 1440p and in Davinci Resolve.
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It has become trendy to shit on synthetic benchmarks, but in reality they are more accurate to predict the overall gaming performance of video cards than any game would be. You'd need to run at least 10 different games with various engines and designs to get an overview of a cards performance. While a synthetic benchmark cycles through various load types and bottleneck situations all in one run.
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Sure having times runs across a gamut of titles is best, but if there's a single app to show how a card will perform overall relative to others, 3DMark is the go-to. Of course, it doesn't accurately represent how a card will perform in every game, but it will give you a base idea, there's a wealth of comparative data, and the settings are clear cut.
AMD 6800 XT trades blows at 4k against the 3080
while it dominates tge 3080 in 1440p
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I'll lament the loss of my beloved [H] reviews one more time here.
I hope they really are that good, I really do hope they give nVidia a solid run for their money even in the high end. Part of me still suspects that AMD just doesn't care about the high end, but this is one of those times being wrong would be awesome.
I hope they really are that good, I really do hope they give nVidia a solid run for their money even in the high end. Part of me still suspects that AMD just doesn't care about the high end, but this is one of those times being wrong would be awesome.
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Best thing AMD has done is Dr. Su. Ever since she has been in charge they shut down the stupid marketing gimmick lines from the Fury, Vega vs. Volta, and generally let her/their products do the talking instead of the past hype trains from Roy and Terry. The only hype I remember is when Chandrasekhar from AMD said these were going to disrupt 4K gaming. “Similar to Ryzen,” he says, “all of us need a thriving Radeon GPU ecosystem. So, are we going after 4K, and going to similarly disrupt 4K? Absolutely, you can count on that. But that’s all I can say right now.” https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/navi-4k-graphics-card
And by these supposed leaks, under Su's leadership, they nailed it. Now, lets hope the drivers are there. ATI/AMD has had great hardware before, lets make sure the software can run it. Did Nvidia pull an Intel. In my opinion, absolutely.
And by these supposed leaks, under Su's leadership, they nailed it. Now, lets hope the drivers are there. ATI/AMD has had great hardware before, lets make sure the software can run it. Did Nvidia pull an Intel. In my opinion, absolutely.
To be honest if performance is similar, what matters is really who gets their parts in stock first. NVIDIA is rumored to have ehhh yield from Samsung 8nm so they can't keep up with demand. However, AMD is short on 7nm+ TSMC supply as well since their wafers have to go into consoles first (estimated 10 million consoles this holiday) not to mention the same supply goes into Zen 3. I feel like a lack of stock for PC GPUs is likely at least through January.
Zen 3 and consoles are not on 7 nm+ (EUV) so they wouldn't take up waffer allocation, but I don't think we have confirmation of RDNA2's process node.
The consoles will probably take up some production space sure... of course they have probably been fabbing those for months now. You don't start fabbing chips for 10 million consoles a few weeks before shipping. More then likely 80% of those chips are already finished.
Ryzen takes up actually very little space fab wise. The biggest advantage of a chiplet design is the massive reduction in die size at 7nm. Ryzen wafers are estimated to have something like 1100 chiplets per 300mm wafer. They also have a way to recover "defective" dies in the form of lower core chiplets for lower end skus. The scrap part rate is extremely low. For context Nvidia is probably looking somewhere in the range of 40-60 total chips from Samsung 8nm. (depending how well their design can be salvaged for lower end parts) Ryzen yields are off the charts compared to massive monolithic GPUs. The controller die is easy to fab at 12nm.
I agree the Radeon 7nm parts don't have Ryzen yield still rumors are Navi 21 is around 500mm2 which is insanely smaller then Nvidias 850mm ampere beast. Right off the hop AMD is looking at 30-40% more chips per wafer depending on the arrangement. If TMSC yields are even low single digit better then Samsungs AMD is looking at easily 100 chips per wafer. The current situation really makes me wonder how good a deal Nvidia really got from Samsung. Even if they got a price that was half of TMSC per wafer cost... its still more expensive. The choice to go 8nm at Samsung was odd to me... TMSC must have been really booked up. At 7nm ampere would have been a much more reasonable 600mm or so and probably had much more acceptable returns per wafer. The rumors NV is going back to TMSC make good sense... I have a feeling we will be seeing 7nm ampere super cards fast enough that early 3080 buyers are going to be very annoyed.
So ya summing up... the console parts are probably stockpiled and AMD probably isn't planning to go nuts until the sales of the next gen consoles materialize. Ryzen takes up 1/8 the fab space compared to high end GPUs. I believe (and could be very wrong) that TMSC has plenty of space right now at 7nm, Apple is moving down, huawei is out. I think its fair to assume they have all the space AMD wants... and probably enough room to sell Nvidia Ampere production as well.
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That was exactly what I was thinking. I use 1440p so my options are as wide as the great outdoors.
Since my 3080 ambitions completely disintegrated here in the frozen wilds of Kanukistan, I shall wait to see some real tests on all of these new cards before I head out into the retail wilderness with my debit card in hand.
Interestingly, I know four different retailers who bought tiny numbers of 2080ti cards and who all still have stock on those.
That's certainly the optimistic view that TSMC has more capacity than demand. There would be no one happier than me if RX 6000 cards and Zen 3 turned out to be widely and easily available. Excess capacity at TSMC and abundant supply should be every hardware enthusiast's dream.
With the way this year has been going, however, I've got a feeling that it isn't going to turn out that way. AMD putting out anti-scalping guidelines seems me to be a sign that even AMD doesn't think that supply will be abundant. Your idea that console parts are all stockpiled up doesn't seem likely to me as well given that both Xbox and PS5 are impossible to find and rumors have it that Sony had to cut production because of a lack of chips. As I mentioned, I would be ecstatic if TSMC does actually have ton of extra 7nm space... but I think it unlikely.
Good point why worry about scalping if you have tons of supply. Guess we'll know soon enough. I hope they can deliver both, end the year on a decent note... your right though this year hasn't really went that way in general. lol