Ultimate AMD Rig?

theseeker

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Rather than take the poll approach...let's try something different.
I am going to build a new AMD rig and I want it to be the ultimate, albeit we all know it will only be the ultimate for a few weeks.
So here is the scenario.

1. AMD
2. No money limitations
3. The ultimate gaming and everyday PC
4. Everything H2O cooled
5. Major OC'ing capabilities
6. Take no prisoners

Just curious as to everyones opinion.
 

theseeker

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Zxcs said:
With most of the major nf4 OCers you can't (ie dfi nf4 sli)


My point. Once again, the ultimate rig has to be totally H2O cooled IMOP. Obviously the DFI boards rule for OC'ing, but for those of us who like to make the system look as good as it runs, you have to H2O cool the entire system.
 

FadedSpark

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HAH just get a passive NB from zalman and chrome it :p

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MSI K8N Neo4 SLi
2x7800(ultras?)
2x1gb mushkin ram (its got good timings for 1gb sticks) cant remember the model, eclipse recommended it to someone
a nice big CM stacker :D so much room :D
a HUGE power supply, PC P&C 850 SLi :D
and shittons of storage :D id say seagate drives
 

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0mega said:
HAH just get a passive NB from zalman and chrome it :p

fx57
MSI K8N Neo4 SLi
2x7800(ultras?)
2x1gb mushkin ram (its got good timings for 1gb sticks) cant remember the model, eclipse recommended it to someone
a nice big CM stacker :D so much room :D
a HUGE power supply, PC P&C 850 SLi :D
and shittons of storage :D id say seagate drives

i would get the 4800 dual core instead
 

Zxcs

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theseeker said:
My point. Once again, the ultimate rig has to be totally H2O cooled IMOP. Obviously the DFI boards rule for OC'ing, but for those of us who like to make the system look as good as it runs, you have to H2O cool the entire system.
Lol.... Actually the ultimate 24/7 rig should have triple cascade on CPU, dual SLI cascade on GPUs and a single (not so powerful) cascade on NB (r404a or something with same temps) and watercooled mosfets.

When you say "ultimate", specify whether you mean totally stock, overclocked (slightly) or taken to the edge like the guys over at xtremesystems.org. Performance > Beauty imo lol.
 

theseeker

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Zxcs said:
Lol.... Actually the ultimate 24/7 rig should have triple cascade on CPU, dual SLI cascade on GPUs and a single (not so powerful) cascade on NB (r404a or something with same temps) and watercooled mosfets.

When you say "ultimate", specify whether you mean totally stock, overclocked (slightly) or taken to the edge like the guys over at xtremesystems.org. Performance > Beauty imo lol.

"Ultimate" means over the top, as in extreme.
 

Zxcs

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theseeker said:
"Ultimate" means over the top, as in extreme.
*sigh* There are many interpretations of "extreme", i.e. yours being much tamer than mine.
 

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Zxcs said:
With most of the major nf4 OCers you can't (ie dfi nf4 sli)

theseeker said:
My point. Once again, the ultimate rig has to be totally H2O cooled IMOP. Obviously the DFI boards rule for OC'ing, but for those of us who like to make the system look as good as it runs, you have to H2O cool the entire system.


Unless you use this (link).

Sure, you'd have to have it sent from Germany, but this is a "no limits" system, right?

My picks:

CM Stacker
2 Phantom 500 silent power supplies or a PCP&C TURBO-COOL 850 SSI
(Phantoms if you insist on dead silence since this is an all water cooled system)
DFI Lanparty NF4 SLI-DR
AMD X2 4800+
4 1GB sticks of Crucial Ballistix PC4000
2 74GB Raptors (add bigass Seagates for storage)
2 BFG 7800GTX OC's in SLI setup
Turtle Beach Montego II DDL

Chose the Stacker due to expandability, but some would choose a TT Armor, etc. due to looks.

Water cooling choices? Even more subjective, since "ultimate" is a balance between what somebody values as far as looks or performance.
 

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Heh. I did nearly the same thing 6 months ago. I went with 2x512 RAM because of the crappy timings associated with anything larger. (CAS2, 2-2-2-5 and lower, baby.)

I've got an A64 4000+ and 2x BFG 6800Us on an MSI K8N Neo4 SLI. I'm biased as well, but I'd say don't do DFI. MSI, Tyan or Asus all the way. Go with Corsair or Crucial RAM.

Oh yeah. You will not notice any performance gains if you go with all Raptors. I've tried it. Ended up switching to my current setup: 1*74G Raptor, 2*200GB Seagates (in RAID0) w/NCQ. Plenty of storage all the way around. 74GB just for windows, a few select games and P2P cached/partial files still with 60GB free.
 

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Uh, okay....if money is no option...

2 x Opteron 275 Italy (dual) core
2 x Asus EN7800GTX in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
I-Star S8900 EATX case with 2x500W PSUs
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b), 1x Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394) External Hard Drives
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
Adaptec SCSI RAID 2200S controller card
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64

Water-cooling setup:

1/2" ID Tygon Lab grade
2 x Dtek Whitewater blocks for the CPUs
2 x Swiftech MCW-50 water blocks for the GPUs
Neslab laboratory capacity chiller / PID temperature controller (assures that the blocks are fed a constand stream of ambient-temperature water).


:D
 

theseeker

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kunsunoke said:
Uh, okay....if money is no option...

2 x Opteron 275 Italy (dual) core
2 x Asus EN7800GTX in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
I-Star S8900 EATX case with 2x500W PSUs
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b), 1x Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394) External Hard Drives
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
Adaptec SCSI RAID 2200S controller card
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64

Water-cooling setup:

1/2" ID Tygon Lab grade
2 x Dtek Whitewater blocks for the CPUs
2 x Swiftech MCW-50 water blocks for the GPUs
Neslab laboratory capacity chiller / PID temperature controller (assures that the blocks are fed a constand stream of ambient-temperature water).


:D

I have been looking into the idea of a chiller, but I havent found one that is small.
 

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kunsunoke said:
Uh, okay....if money is no option...

2 x Opteron 275 Italy (dual) core
2 x Asus EN7800GTX in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
I-Star S8900 EATX case with 2x500W PSUs
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b), 1x Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394) External Hard Drives
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
Adaptec SCSI RAID 2200S controller card
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64

Water-cooling setup:

1/2" ID Tygon Lab grade
2 x Dtek Whitewater blocks for the CPUs
2 x Swiftech MCW-50 water blocks for the GPUs
Neslab laboratory capacity chiller / PID temperature controller (assures that the blocks are fed a constand stream of ambient-temperature water).


:D


you win :D
 

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kunsunoke said:
Uh, okay....if money is no option...

2 x Opteron 275 Italy (dual) core
2 x Asus EN7800GTX in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
I-Star S8900 EATX case with 2x500W PSUs
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b), 1x Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394) External Hard Drives
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
Adaptec SCSI RAID 2200S controller card
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64

Water-cooling setup:

1/2" ID Tygon Lab grade
2 x Dtek Whitewater blocks for the CPUs
2 x Swiftech MCW-50 water blocks for the GPUs
Neslab laboratory capacity chiller / PID temperature controller (assures that the blocks are fed a constand stream of ambient-temperature water).


:D


change the asus to BFG or eVGA and its perfect IMO :p
 

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kunsunoke said:
Uh, okay....if money is no option...

2 x Opteron 275 Italy (dual) core
2 x Asus EN7800GTX in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
I-Star S8900 EATX case with 2x500W PSUs
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b), 1x Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394) External Hard Drives
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
Adaptec SCSI RAID 2200S controller card
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64

Water-cooling setup:

1/2" ID Tygon Lab grade
2 x Dtek Whitewater blocks for the CPUs
2 x Swiftech MCW-50 water blocks for the GPUs
Neslab laboratory capacity chiller / PID temperature controller (assures that the blocks are fed a constand stream of ambient-temperature water).


:D

Might as well toss in 2+ iRams in raid 0
 

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theseeker said:
I wasn't that the Tyan supported SLI......

The Tyan K8WE does support SLi and Tyan will ship you the SLi bridge for free. Or places like Atacom.com sell the bridges if you'd rather go that route, or you want it faster than Tyan will deliver it.

I've never had any problems with SLi on my motherboard. I previously had two 6800GT's OC'ed on the board and everything was fine.

PS: You can overclock Opteron boards with NTune software, or Clock Gen, but I'll caution you from my own experiences, if you want to OC, don't use Windows XP Professional x64 Edition. NTune and Clock Gen don't work with it.

0mega said:
change the asus to BFG or eVGA and its perfect IMO :p

I'd change the SCSI card, I have not been impressed with Adaptec's latest offerings. LSI has been putting out better cards as of late. I also wouldn't put in the extra firewire card. The motherboard has firewire and so does the Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS I'd use for sound.


Lets change some stuff.

2 x Opteron 275 Italy (Dual) core
2 x BFG 7800GTX OC's in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
CoolerMaster Stacker w/PC Power and Cooling PSU 850Watt EPS12v PSU
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5) (Dunno here. Fishitsu isn't the most reliable brand of drives.)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 <---These are external periphrials and not really part of the build in my opinion. (IEEE 1394b),
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
64-bit LSI Caching RAID controller (I can't think of the model right now & too lazy to search)
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64 <---Ditch this if you want to OC. The OC'ing tools for this board don't work with it. (I know)
 

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Give it time, Frag - someone's going to upgrade the OC tools for x64. It's only a matter of time.

I don't like Fujitsu drives that much, either. Having said that, though, they do have five-year warranties and huge-assed capacities for 15000 RPM drives.

As for the external firewire drives - no, they're not part of the build, per se, but there are a number of us who watch video files here (as evidenced by the growth of the Anime subforum), and those take up whacking gobs of space. I'd rather have some portability to go along with, and keep the OS / Apps / etc. on the RAID5.

The PCP&C PSU is a nice one. I like the dual power supply units in the I-Star tower, though. Tough call, there. Were I just building a normal system it'd be PCP&C all the way.
 

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sabrewolf732 said:
afaik, raid 5 is slower than raid 0......

Yes but with 5 UW SCSI drives Ure gonne have so much throughput anyway so it wont matter...
 
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2xopteron 275
2xnvida quadro fx 4500 (512mb ram)
16gb ram
2 x 146gb 15k rpm SCSI hard drives
10 x 500gb seagate hard drive
lian li v-2000 case
aqua computer evo 360 radiator with 3 120mm fans.
aqua computer heatsinks all round
tyan sli opteron motherboard
30" apple monitor
 

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Sir-Fragalot said:
2 x Opteron 275 Italy (Dual) core
2 x BFG 7800GTX OC's in SLI mode
TYAN S2895A2NRF SLI eATX motherboard
Corsair XMS registered PC3200; 8 x 1 GB
CoolerMaster Stacker w/PC Power and Cooling PSU 850Watt EPS12v PSU
5 x Fujitsu MAU3147NP 147GB 15,000 RPM (RAID-5) (Dunno here. Fishitsu isn't the most reliable brand of drives.)
2 x MicroNet Platinum XL PXL500B 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2x Firewire 800 <---These are external periphrials and not really part of the build in my opinion. (IEEE 1394b),
PPA Int'l Firewire 800/1394B 64-bits PCI Card Model 1226
64-bit LSI Caching RAID controller (I can't think of the model right now & too lazy to search)
Plextor PX-716SA/SW SATA DVD burner
Plextor PX-PREMIUM/SW CD burner
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro 8 (7.1)
Windows XP x64 <---Ditch this if you want to OC. The OC'ing tools for this board don't work with it. (I know)

Nice, but I have to advise against ANY RAID for this setup. A single MAU is faster than a MAU in RAID-5 OR RAID-0, excepting burst speeds (depending on the usage model). Personally, I'd switch the ram over to some OCZ 600Mhz DDR, load the OS onto the RAM as a RAM disk, and throw the SCSI disks into another system. The 2 minute addition to the load time while everything spins up and checks would get on my nerves, personally.
 

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Thanks for all the input!

I will be ordering the parts on Tuesday. I am still on the fence for a couple of components.
Without further adeiu, here is what I am planning to order.

MB-TYAN 2895S
2 AMD 275 2.2 GHZ Italy
2 7800 GTX BFG
1 Fujitsu MAU3147NP 15K 73 GB-boot drive
2 Seagate 160 GB NCQ RAID 0
PSU PC P&C 850
2 Plextor PX-716SA's
H20 Cooling by Aqua

Undecided about the memory and the case.
Considering OCZ or Crucial for memory and Lian-Li V2000 or Silverstone TJ07 for the case.

Any ideas?
 
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