Starlink (Generation 2) testing

Eulogy

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For me, upload has been pretty consistent at 15Mbps+. It often peaks at 40Mbps or more briefly before settling down to ~15. Slowdowns during peak hours seem to mainly affect download speeds.

One good thing I've found is that if I'm downloading a torrent with hundreds or thousands of seeds, I will get speeds that are much faster than what I get during a speed test. Maybe all those simultaneous connections are brute-forcing more bandwidth? Not really sure. Speeds also increase quite a bit during off-peak hours, especially during the middle of the night. So if you were downloading a huge file or something, at least you can still get good speeds at those times.
Ok that is awesome! Really good news on the upload, though, I know that's pretty location dependent. Hopefully I end up with similar results.
I just spent some time building out a telegraf + grafana to measure out my speeds. Right now it uses speedtest CLI to run a test every 10 minutes (I have no idea if they'll count that frequency as abuse. Hope not). Right now seeing testing jump all over the place
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The little dropdown near the upper left corner will let me view the same data for any multi-WAN setup I have. Once I have Starlink here and setup, I'll start pulling stats for it as well and compare directly.

I'll probably do "large downloads" over night, so, set that to download like, between midnight and 5am or something.
 

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Alright, they expect the dish to ship out on the 3rd, and, no ETA yet on the ethernet adapter. Hopefully both show up at the same time. Already have pretty much everything plumbed for all the testing, just need the hardware.
 

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Got the dish on Tuesday, and the ethernet adapter today. Just finished setting up a little test box with it. Basically I have a desktop that's whole life right now is just Starlink. It's plugged into the ethernet adapter directly, and logging speedtest runs every ~5 minutes or so.
The first run was atrocious. 13Mbps down, 4.0Mbps up. The app does say it'll take "Up to 6 more hours" for it to complete calibration. Also, in my current house, there isn't a great area from ground level that gets a full, clear shot to the sky. I'm not going to mount it to the roof, since, we're hoping to sell this place soon and I'm lazy. This should kind of be a worst case test. The new place we want to buy has wide open areas on the ground, and roof mounting would also be a thing I'd do if needed. Plus was less population density, so possibly less congestion.
I don't trust it where it's at (basically just sitting out in my driveway), and don't want someone walking off with it. I'll let it gather data for a couple of hours then see where it is at. Repeat the same thing a bit tomorrow morning and tomorrow night.
 

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Little bit of data, so far.
"Calibration" took ~7 hours to complete. Performance did tick upward throughout, though, not substantially.
During times where the app says there's "congestion" (it's unclear what that exactly means), I get ~50Mbps down and 4-5Mbps up. When it doesn't say that, I get 85-100Mbps down and 7-12Mbps up. Those are averages for what that's worth. The peaks and valleys are pretty extraordinary - even on "non-congested" times, I get uploads as low as 3.27Mbps. Latency seems fairly consistent, between 55ms and 65ms.

Uptime is hanging out at about 98.7%. This is just a "simple" test where I ping two different endpoints every 5 seconds, log the latency, and calculate loss.

Overall, this data should still be taken with a grain of salt. The app says I have 3% obstruction in the sky, which doesn't sound like much, but can cause performance and availability issues. I'm not thrilled by the experience, was honestly hoping for a bit more performance out of it. It is serviceable and will be an alright bridge til I can get Comcast. Would not want or recommend for long term, unless you have no other option (or only slower alternatives). I did hold a couple zooms on it - one just a one-on-one, then a small group of 4, then tried a group of 10. The one on one was fine. The 4some showed video quality issues, and the group of 10 had long stutters and both audio and video issues.
 

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During times where the app says there's "congestion" (it's unclear what that exactly means), I get ~50Mbps down and 4-5Mbps up. When it doesn't say that, I get 85-100Mbps down and 7-12Mbps up.

That is very interesting. I've had the service since last year and have never seen anything in the app about "congestion". Where in the app are you seeing that? Do you also see it when you visit http://192.168.100.1 (basically the web version of the app)? Although where I have mine, there are no obstructions at all, so maybe it's related to that.

Kind of interesting, last night at about 3am I was running some speed tests and was seeing some of the fastest speeds I've ever seen on Starlink. On one test I got over 400Mbps download and 37Mbps upload. Maybe that's a good sign in some way? Well at least overnight downloads will have access to some good bandwidth.
 

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That is very interesting. I've had the service since last year and have never seen anything in the app about "congestion". Where in the app are you seeing that? Do you also see it when you visit http://192.168.100.1 (basically the web version of the app)? Although where I have mine, there are no obstructions at all, so maybe it's related to that.
In the app, if you tap the "Visibility" button, it takes you to a view of the sky with blue and red markers. I forget where but somewhere on that screen it had a %, but, now it doesn't. Maybe it was only showing that percent during calibration cos I can't find it now.
I'm certain the performance is also widly variable depending on the local node. If you're in an area with a lot of Starlink users, I'm sure it can get overloaded. In the app, it has a blue banner that pops up when it's "congested" - seems to frequently happen after 6pm on weeknights.
My peak download is only 259Mbps, peak upload is 19.3Mbps. Slowest download is 21.7Mbps, slowest upload 1.57Mbps.
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Setup a 4 to 6 tunnel with Hurricane Electric.
I was very involved with the early Internet, etc. Went to the first InterOp conference, "Geeks By The Bay," knew Dave Crocker and Marshall Rose, once met Jon Postel, etc., etc. but that involvement pretty much ended by 1993. Amazing how much progress since then.

(y) Happy to learn about Hurricane Electric.
 

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Well, there's now a 1TB cap on Starlink.
Data used between 11p and 7a won't count towards the cap, however (for now).
 

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Well, there's now a 1TB cap on Starlink.
Data used between 11p and 7a won't count towards the cap, however (for now).

I don't know that "cap" is accurate.

Starlink said:
Under the Fair Use policy, all Residential customers will receive unlimited data, and will start each month with Priority Access, which means their data usage will be prioritized during times of network congestion.

Customers who exceed 1 TB of data use on a monthly basis (currently < 10% of users) will automatically be switched to Basic Access for the remainder of the billing cycle, which means their data usage will be deprioritized during times of network congestion, resulting in slower speeds.

Data used between 11pm - 7am will not count towards your Priority Access.

Starting today, you can now monitor your data usage on your account page. Read more in Starlink’s Fair Use policy and in the Terms of Service.

Thank you for being an early customer and for your continued support of Starlink!

Starlink Team

It's a disappointing development, no doubt, but compare that to the cap on XFinity (Comcast Residential) for example, where when you exceed the current 1.2TB cap, you are automatically billed $10 for every extra 50GB used (50GB is a pathetically tiny amount, and can add up very fast!). The XFinity cap is more along the lines of what a "cap" usually means among residential internet services. With Starlink, the only thing that happens when you go over your "cap" is that your data will be "deprioritized during times of network congestion". It's unknown what that means in practice. To exactly what extent will speeds be reduced? Will latency increase at that point, even during times of light usage? I will be testing this in the coming months...
 

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I don't know that "cap" is accurate.



It's a disappointing development, no doubt, but compare that to the cap on XFinity (Comcast Residential) for example, where when you exceed the current 1.2TB cap, you are automatically billed $10 for every extra 50GB used (50GB is a pathetically tiny amount, and can add up very fast!). The XFinity cap is more along the lines of what a "cap" usually means among residential internet services. With Starlink, the only thing that happens when you go over your "cap" is that your data will be "deprioritized during times of network congestion". It's unknown what that means in practice. To exactly what extent will speeds be reduced? Will latency increase at that point, even during times of light usage? I will be testing this in the coming months...
Well, considering my speeds goes to ~7Mbps down and ~1.5Mbps up during current congestion, any further degradation of that will basically make it unusable for anything but simple web surfing.
 

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Well, considering my speeds goes to ~7Mbps down and ~1.5Mbps up during current congestion, any further degradation of that will basically make it unusable for anything but simple web surfing.

My speeds have actually been improving a lot since late summer, and even back then I never saw significant slowdown on my upload; for me it was mainly download that was affected during peak hours, and I think the absolute worst I ever saw on the download was 15Mbps.

Anyone can theorize about what this means, but we won't know until we have some actual test results from people going over 1TB.

I just did a test here in Northern California, at 7pm and got 121Mbps download, 33Mbps upload. I think 7pm qualifies as "peak hours" and it actually gave me a warning about it during the speed test. That's not too bad IMO. I'm not sure why your speeds are so slow.
 
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My speeds have actually been improving a lot since late summer, and even back then I never saw significant slowdown on my upload; for me it was mainly download that was affected during peak hours, and I think the absolute worst I ever saw on the download was 15Mbps.

Anyone can theorize about what this means, but we won't know until we have some actual test results from people going over 1TB.

I just did a test here in Northern California, at 7pm and got 121Mbps download, 33Mbps upload. I think 7pm qualifies as "peak hours" and it actually gave me a warning about it during the speed test. That's not too bad IMO. I'm not sure why your speeds are so slow.
It's not just mine, several other folks I know in the area that have it see similar results. Could just be our local cells are overloaded, but, there's no real way to determine where the issue is. Well, there are I guess, but, I don't feel like setting everything up to get that information, especially since it won't help anything :p
 

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Sounds like typical ISP shenanigans going on. Offer unbelievable service and speeds, oversell, service and speeds go to crap.

I was really pulling for this to work. Guess only time will tell if things get better for Starlink customers or not.
 
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Yeah, Starlink seems to be learning some bad habits from the big ISP's as it figures out how to become profitable.

They recently added a 1 TB data cap in the US and will start throttling users who exceed that cap.

I hope that they don't start adding bogus add-on fees like the "regulatory recovery fee" to their bills as well.
 

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I was still hitting 175 down this morning. Despite all the potential shortcomings, Starlink is the best option for us by a very large margin.
 
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