So if video card prices stay elevated for years, then what happens?

chameleoneel

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Prices have come down a bit on certain high end stuff, like 3080's, 6900xt, 6800 xt.

But lower products have all come up in price. $900 6700xt. $1,000 3070. $1100 3070 ti. etc.
 

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Also to note, if inflation continues at +10% or higher, the value of mining decreases (since each coin is worth less).
 

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Play through your backlog of games and appreciate the classics which will take a couple of years.

For the first time in console history, PS5 and XSX games are 85% as good as my 5-figure priced PC with an RTX 3090, while costing 1/20th the price. The only games which are unplayable are FPS titles that need a mouse.

Agreed. I'm finishing up the PS4 version of Horizon Zero Dawn DLC on my PS5, and to me, the graphics look same tier as Cyberpunk on my 3090 PC setup. Perhaps the key is the OLED screen my PS5 is hooked up to :)

On top of that, there are also great games such as Hades, Dead Cells, that don't require the latest and greatest GPU tech.
 

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Honestly I don't care. I have a powerful gaming PC and a PS5. The excitement of upgrading to the latest and greatest doesn't do it for me. I should be good for at least 5 years in all honesty. Maybe by them the insanity will end.
 
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Its honestly dumb to buy a 30-series card now at any price over MSRP with the 40-series not far away. Though I'd speculate the MSRPs are going to be worse than Turing or Ampere for the 40-series...if they even bother having one (see 3080 12GB).
 

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Its honestly dumb to buy a 30-series card now at any price over MSRP with the 40-series not far away. Though I'd speculate the MSRPs are going to be worse than Turing or Ampere for the 40-series...if they even bother having one (see 3080 12GB).

Pricing and availability will still be bad for a while. Even if something releases Q3, most people will end up getting it Q4 normally. Used to take 3-4 weeks or so for a new generation of GPUs to really stay in stock. I'm not seeing the current situation being "back to normal" by end of 2022. Point being, realistically, a 4*** will probably have to wait around a year for most people. I'd say if you find an agreeable price, buy now.
 

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Prices have come down a bit on certain high end stuff, like 3080's, 6900xt, 6800 xt.

But lower products have all come up in price. $900 6700xt. $1,000 3070. $1100 3070 ti. etc.

There was a news story on The FPS Review yesterday about German retailers reporting that prices are moving towards MSRP.

If that is the case, they still have some moving to do.

For shits and giggles I pulled all the prices from Amazon yesterday. Granted, I am not in Germany, and maybe Germany is different than the rest of the world, but I figured I'd see how it looks here today for a GPU you can actually order now, not something you have to stand in line for, or commit to buy in a bundle, or win a lottery for.

Here is what I found:

Cheapest 3090 available: $2499 (MSRP was $1499) 67% above MSRP
Cheapest 3080ti available: $1843 (MSRP was $1199) 54% above MSRP
Cheapest 6900xt available: $1589 (MSRP was $999) 59% above MSRP
Cheapest 3080 available: $1399 (MSRP was $699) 100% over MSRP (this is a 10Gig model. The 12 gig never got an MSRP)
Cheapest 6800xt available: $1390 (MSRP was $649) 114% over MSRP
Cheapest 6800 available: $1259 (MSRP was $579) 117% over MSRP
Cheapest 3070ti available: $1088 (MSRP was $599) 82% over MSRP
Cheapest 6700xt available: $889 (MSRP was $479) 86% over MSRP
Cheapest 3060ti available: $816 (MSRP was $399) 104% over MSRP
Cheapest 3070 available: $719 (MSRP was $499) 44% over MSRP
Cheapest 3060 available: $689 (MSRP was $329) 109% over MSRP
Cheapest 6600xt available: $645 (MSRP was $379) 70% over MSRP

Humorously enough the cheapest 3070 was cheaper than the cheapest 3060ti

Either way, the average of all of these was 84% over MSRP.

Maybe this is trending downward, but we still have a LONG way to go.

...and lets not forget that this generations MSRP's were unreasonable to begin with. While it almost sounds silly now after what has happened to the market, the 3090 at $1,499 was already overpriced by quite a bit compared to previous generations halo cards.

The Titan Xp was $1200
The Titan X (Pascal) was $1200
The Titan X (Maxwell) was $999
The original Kepler 6GB Titan was $999.

In order for pricing to be right, we don't just need to get to original MSRP, we need to get below it. The original MSRP's were inflated.
 

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There was a news story on The FPS Review yesterday about German retailers reporting that prices are moving towards MSRP.

If that is the case, they still have some moving to do.

For shits and giggles I pulled all the prices from Amazon yesterday. Granted, I am not in Germany, and maybe Germany is different than the rest of the world, but I figured I'd see how it looks here today for a GPU you can actually order now, not something you have to stand in line for, or commit to buy in a bundle, or win a lottery for.

Here is what I found:

Cheapest 3090 available: $2499 (MSRP was $1499) 67% above MSRP
Cheapest 3080ti available: $1843 (MSRP was $1199) 54% above MSRP
Cheapest 6900xt available: $1589 (MSRP was $999) 59% above MSRP
Cheapest 3080 available: $1399 (MSRP was $699) 100% over MSRP (this is a 10Gig model. The 12 gig never got an MSRP)
Cheapest 6800xt available: $1390 (MSRP was $649) 114% over MSRP
Cheapest 6800 available: $1259 (MSRP was $579) 117% over MSRP
Cheapest 3070ti available: $1088 (MSRP was $599) 82% over MSRP
Cheapest 6700xt available: $889 (MSRP was $479) 86% over MSRP
Cheapest 3060ti available: $816 (MSRP was $399) 104% over MSRP
Cheapest 3070 available: $719 (MSRP was $499) 44% over MSRP
Cheapest 3060 available: $689 (MSRP was $329) 109% over MSRP
Cheapest 6600xt available: $645 (MSRP was $379) 70% over MSRP

Humorously enough the cheapest 3070 was cheaper than the cheapest 3060ti

Either way, the average of all of these was 84% over MSRP.

Maybe this is trending downward, but we still have a LONG way to go.

...and lets not forget that this generations MSRP's were unreasonable to begin with. While it almost sounds silly now after what has happened to the market, the 3090 at $1,499 was already overpriced by quite a bit compared to previous generations halo cards.

The Titan Xp was $1200
The Titan X (Pascal) was $1200
The Titan X (Maxwell) was $999
The original Kepler 6GB Titan was $999.

In order for pricing to be right, we don't just need to get to original MSRP, we need to get below it. The original MSRP's were inflated.
Link me the $700 3070
 

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...and lets not forget that this generations MSRP's were unreasonable to begin with. While it almost sounds silly now after what has happened to the market, the 3090 at $1,499 was already overpriced by quite a bit compared to previous generations halo cards.

The Titan Xp was $1200
The Titan X (Pascal) was $1200
The Titan X (Maxwell) was $999
The original Kepler 6GB Titan was $999.

In order for pricing to be right, we don't just need to get to original MSRP, we need to get below it. The original MSRP's were inflated.
I remember reviewers going on and on about the VALUE of the 3000 series cards. In truth, this was only when compared to the grossly overpriced 2000 series. In reality, we weren't getting anymore bang for buck when compared to the 1000 series. Even at the original GREAT VALUE msrp.
 

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$733 2 left (was hidden at the bottom of the 1st page of results)

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Edit: Single review says scam, will leave how I found it but not actually link to it.
Yeah, took a look too. All those 3070s for around $700 are from just launched Chinese named sellers with zero feedback.
 

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$733 2 left (was hidden at the bottom of the 1st page of results)

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Edit: Single review says scam, will leave how I found it but not actually link to it.
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There was a news story on The FPS Review yesterday about German retailers reporting that prices are moving towards MSRP.

If that is the case, they still have some moving to do.

For shits and giggles I pulled all the prices from Amazon yesterday. Granted, I am not in Germany, and maybe Germany is different than the rest of the world, but I figured I'd see how it looks here today for a GPU you can actually order now, not something you have to stand in line for, or commit to buy in a bundle, or win a lottery for.

Here is what I found:

Cheapest 3090 available: $2499 (MSRP was $1499) 67% above MSRP
Cheapest 3080ti available: $1843 (MSRP was $1199) 54% above MSRP
Cheapest 6900xt available: $1589 (MSRP was $999) 59% above MSRP
Cheapest 3080 available: $1399 (MSRP was $699) 100% over MSRP (this is a 10Gig model. The 12 gig never got an MSRP)
Cheapest 6800xt available: $1390 (MSRP was $649) 114% over MSRP
Cheapest 6800 available: $1259 (MSRP was $579) 117% over MSRP
Cheapest 3070ti available: $1088 (MSRP was $599) 82% over MSRP
Cheapest 6700xt available: $889 (MSRP was $479) 86% over MSRP
Cheapest 3060ti available: $816 (MSRP was $399) 104% over MSRP
Cheapest 3070 available: $719 (MSRP was $499) 44% over MSRP
Cheapest 3060 available: $689 (MSRP was $329) 109% over MSRP
Cheapest 6600xt available: $645 (MSRP was $379) 70% over MSRP

Humorously enough the cheapest 3070 was cheaper than the cheapest 3060ti

Either way, the average of all of these was 84% over MSRP.

Maybe this is trending downward, but we still have a LONG way to go.

...and lets not forget that this generations MSRP's were unreasonable to begin with. While it almost sounds silly now after what has happened to the market, the 3090 at $1,499 was already overpriced by quite a bit compared to previous generations halo cards.

The Titan Xp was $1200
The Titan X (Pascal) was $1200
The Titan X (Maxwell) was $999
The original Kepler 6GB Titan was $999.

In order for pricing to be right, we don't just need to get to original MSRP, we need to get below it. The original MSRP's were inflated.
Those are not MSRP for AiB.
 

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I remember reviewers going on and on about the VALUE of the 3000 series cards. In truth, this was only when compared to the grossly overpriced 2000 series. In reality, we weren't getting anymore bang for buck when compared to the 1000 series. Even at the original GREAT VALUE msrp.
The 3090 was a grossly priced halo product. But 3080 and lower were fairly well priced. Especially compared to the 20 series. 3070 is 2080 ti performance for $500 and 3060 ti is 2080 super for $400. A 2080 super was like $800.
Even compared to the 10 series, 30 series launch MSRP were good.
 
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...and lets not forget that this generations MSRP's were unreasonable to begin with. While it almost sounds silly now after what has happened to the market, the 3090 at $1,499 was already overpriced by quite a bit compared to previous generations halo cards.

The Titan Xp was $1200
The Titan X (Pascal) was $1200
The Titan X (Maxwell) was $999
The original Kepler 6GB Titan was $999.

In order for pricing to be right, we don't just need to get to original MSRP, we need to get below it. The original MSRP's were inflated.
Yeah, 3090 even being $1499 was an insult to begin with. Maybe its 24GB VRAM gave it pro-sumer applications, but it wasn't really a Titan replacement with Titan drivers that would make it truly a pro-sumer Titan replacement. In my mind, in reality that was the replacement for the 2080 Ti with a price hike. 3080 Ti only happened because everyone complained about 10GB on the 3080 and it served to further divert GA-102's to higher cost products.

The 3090 was a grossly priced halo product. But 3080 and lower were fairly well priced. Especially compared to the 20 series. 3070 is 2080 ti performance for $500 and 3060 ti is 2080 super for $400. A 2080 super was like $800.
Even compared to the 10 series, 30 series launch MSRP were good.
By itself compared to the 20-series maybe, but on the whole it was not really good and lower end especially got screwed because even if a 3050 was at MSRP, it was the same performance as its real price competitor from the 16-series that was the same price in 2019 (1660 Ti I think?)

I remember when gen to gen spending the same money actually bought you a better performing card.
 

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Yeah, 3090 even being $1499 was an insult to begin with. Maybe its 24GB VRAM gave it pro-sumer applications, but it wasn't really a Titan replacement with Titan drivers that would make it truly a pro-sumer Titan replacement. In my mind, in reality that was the replacement for the 2080 Ti with a price hike. 3080 Ti only happened because everyone complained about 10GB on the 3080 and it served to further divert GA-102's to higher cost products.


By itself compared to the 20-series maybe, but on the whole it was not really good and lower end especially got screwed because even if a 3050 was at MSRP, it was the same performance as its real price competitor from the 16-series that was the same price in 2019 (1660 Ti I think?)

I remember when gen to gen spending the same money actually bought you a better performing card.
Eh, on the whole, the initial launch products were really good, except for the 3090.

The 3050 is like a month old and launched in a terrible market where yes, it is absolutely taking advantage of us. No doubt, the 3050 sucks. And the 2060 was re-launched for exactly the same spot it was always in. Its all really stupid right now. Ampere's launch prices are of course a distant dream, now. But it was pretty darn good, IMO.


AMD's prices were also solid, for the initial products.
 
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Eh, on the whole, the initial launch products were really good, except for the 3090.

The 3050 is like a month old and launched in a terrible market where yes, it is absolutely taking advantage of us. No doubt, the 3050 sucks. And the 2060 was re-launched for exactly the same spot it was always in. Its all really stupid right now. Ampere's launch prices are of course a distant dream, now. But it was pretty darn good, IMO.


AMD's prices were also solid, for the initial products.
I don't know, functionally the price tiers were the same as Turing, the only saving grace was the shift in die classes. These still weren't Pascal good prices. 70 class card was still a $500-$600 card now. But at least it was back to a 104 chip and not a 106 like Turing. For example. 3080 was great at $700 and being a 102 die, but definitely should have launched at 12GB to really be the 2080 Ti replacement.
 

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I don't know, functionally the price tiers were the same as Turing, the only saving grace was the shift in die classes. These still weren't Pascal good prices. 70 class card was still a $500-$600 card now. But at least it was back to a 104 chip and not a 106 like Turing. For example. 3080 was great at $700 and being a 102 die, but definitely should have launched at 12GB to really be the 2080 Ti replacement.
Pretty much. The prices were decent on their own. Certainly not the godsend the reviewers were making it out to be. Anything looked great compared to 2000 series prices.
 

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I don't know, functionally the price tiers were the same as Turing, the only saving grace was the shift in die classes. These still weren't Pascal good prices. 70 class card was still a $500-$600 card now. But at least it was back to a 104 chip and not a 106 like Turing. For example. 3080 was great at $700 and being a 102 die, but definitely should have launched at 12GB to really be the 2080 Ti replacement.
I'm not really sure what you mean. 3070 launch price was better than a 2080 super at the time. And 3060 ti is exactly 2080 super performance----for even $100 less than a 3070.
 

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Those are not MSRP for AiB.

The AIB MSRP's are essentially just pre-scalped prices.

Unless there is some sort of extremely fancy cooling solution or some highly unusual specialty board design, the only MSRP that matters is the original AMD/Nvidia MSRP.
 
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I'm not really sure what you mean. 3070 launch price was better than a 2080 super at the time. And 3060 ti is exactly 2080 super performance----for even $100 less than a 3070.
I'm saying stop looking at it only one or two gens at a time. Look back further towards Pascal and Maxwell. We're way higher MSRPs than those. 70-class cards used to be in the $320-$400 range as an example.
 

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I'm saying stop looking at it only one or two gens at a time. Look back further towards Pascal and Maxwell. We're way higher MSRPs than those. 70-class cards used to be in the $320-$400 range as an example.
Ignoring Titan/3090 ---- Ampere is very similar to Pascal in pricing, at least. and a lot better than Turing.

Maxwell was certainly a lot lower cost for lower/mid tiers. But a 980 ti was still $700. And so was a 3080.
 
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Ignoring Titan/3090 ---- Ampere is very similar to Pascal in pricing, at least. and a lot better than Turing.

Maxwell was certainly a lot lower cost for lower/mid tiers. But a 980 ti was still $700. And so was a 3080.
Only if accounting for the chip re-tier back to Pascal...and I agree the 3080 was good at $700 and being a 102 die. But otherwise 2080 was also $700 MSRP.

Otherwise the pricing is literally the same as Turing. 2070 and 3070 both with a $500 MSRP. 2060 was $350 and 3060 at least was a little lower at $330. Functionally, Nvidia kept the Turing pricing but course corrected the chips used in which products (as the Super series did in the case of the 2070 Super at least). So yeah it looks good compared to I don't know, Turing launch.

Pascal on the other hand the 1080Ti was $700, the 1080 was $600, the 1070 was $380, the 1060 6GB was $250.
 

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The 3090 was a grossly priced halo product. But 3080 and lower were fairly well priced. Especially compared to the 20 series. 3070 is 2080 ti performance for $500 and 3060 ti is 2080 super for $400. A 2080 super was like $800.
Even compared to the 10 series, 30 series launch MSRP were good.

Sure, in theory. Ampere MSRP was nothing but a nod to those (like myself) who told Nvidia to pound sand when they launched outrageously priced Turing cards. If Nvidia had any intention of selling cards that low, they would have used a heavier hand in dealing with AIBs other than "sell a couple at MSRP for launch day and then you never have to make them again." People didn't have to buy Turing because Pascal was still pretty good. But now those Pascal owners are shopping for an upgrade and getting "Turing'd" again, except this time Nvidia can pass the blame to AIBs.

AMD, Nvidia, and just about every AIB has raked in their largest profits EVER. Just sayin'...*

* I understand that a company exists to make money. But usually there is a balance between making as much money as possible and maintaining customer good will. Right now with astronomically high prices and profits. Customer good will is being eroded.
 

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Sure, in theory. Ampere MSRP was nothing but a nod to those (like myself) who told Nvidia to pound sand when they launched outrageously priced Turing cards. If Nvidia had any intention of selling cards that low, they would have used a heavier hand in dealing with AIBs other than "sell a couple at MSRP for launch day and then you never have to make them again." People didn't have to buy Turing because Pascal was still pretty good. But now those Pascal owners are shopping for an upgrade and getting "Turing'd" again, except this time Nvidia can pass the blame to AIBs.

AMD, Nvidia, and just about every AIB has raked in their largest profits EVER. Just sayin'...*

* I understand that a company exists to make money. But usually there is a balance between making as much money as possible and maintaining customer good will. Right now with astronomically high prices and profits. Customer good will is being eroded.
They dont need good will if there is no competition. In my mind, Nvidia has always screwed people on price, yet they still control all the mind share.
 
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