Sennheiser Ambeo?

[Machupo]

How much better than a "typical" high end soundbar is this thing, really?

I have a WAF of Zero for anything not soundbar-like, even the wireless sub tucked in the corner from my current Sony setup grates on her nerves.

While I am ok with the Sony, it kind of makes my soul die a little bit every time I want to watch a space movie

I listen to sennheiser 598's or shure 425's when i'm on the road, so I have some decent expectations for my music and film audio, but would only entertain paying double the typical "high end soundbar" cost if it is truly special. I hear that you can add a sub if needed, but that may be a bridge too far, so any input on how the lower freqs are out of the bar itself would be particularly helpful.

 

[Machupo]

Starting to see these drop below 1k on the second hand market. Anyone with listening experience on them? Looking at the Ambeo Max.

 

[sethk]

The Ambeo Max is absolutely massive. it must weigh close to 40lbs (50lbs)? and it still doesn’t have the low bass of a true subwoofer but it does have good bass for a one box. You can add a sub. But it is way more of an eyesore (IMO) and you need to be able to lift your tv if it’s not wall mounted.
I went with the Nakamichi showwafe 9.2 with dual wireless subs which I put under and behind things so they are invisible and has incredible bass as well as a much nicer appearance (IMO).
An ambeo max plus a real sub may sound better though (it would be a matter of preference).