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I'm starting to get the feeling those might come very late to the party or have serious issues with heat management.Since I only upgrade my CPU / Mottherboard like once in 5 years, and video card every other generation, or sometimes every new gen,
Anyways, at this point probably best waiting for the upcoming X3D processor coming in Jan / Feb, and then we will have more motherboard options, and plenty my DDR5 options.
I'm starting to get the feeling those might come very late to the party or have serious issues with heat management.
Pretty any much CPU/GPU nowadays will adjust to whatever cooler it has to work with. Obviously if you have a high-end air cooler or a 240mm+ AIO, it's going to run at its best. Anything lower, and it will be throttling a lot.Excellent point.
Can a 7700X run fine on a good air cooler?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/649395/deep-cool-ak620-high-performance-cpu-cooler
I won't be OC'ing the CPU, just the memory.
Is Zen 4 Too Hot for a Box Cooler? Wraith Spire + 7600X
Well to be honest,since I play PC Games at 4K there is no performance scaling. I even ran a 12900K at 5700Mhz and still got around the same performance.Awesome. Can you show us perf scaling in games with the 7700X stock and overclocked? I’m assuming running at 5.7GHz you’re way ahead of your 12900K?
Like I said before, your 9700 is still a stout gaming performer. If you want X3D, wait for X3DExcellent point.
Can a 7700X run fine on a good air cooler?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/649395/deep-cool-ak620-high-performance-cpu-cooler
I won't be OC'ing the CPU, just the memory.
That's awesome.https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820226971?quicklink=true
This kit should be Hynix and clock up to 6000Mhz. Hynix is Hynix, spend as little as possible.
Like I said before, your 9700 is still a stout gaming performer. If you want X3D, wait for X3D
Man, that sucks. Early adopter tax.Seems like EXPO RAM profiles screw up something about ACPI. I don't have sleep mode enabled when selecting the EXPO profile, comes right back setting RAM back to auto. It also boots much, much faster just using the JEDEC profile, at least as fast as my AM4 build (a second or two). Not that it's as bad as some people say with the OC profile but it does take 10-15 seconds before anything shows up on screen. I'm just going to run DDR5-4800 for a few days to make extra sure the new build is stable, then play around with setting the timings, frequency and voltages manually to see if that makes it work.
Man, that sucks. Early adopter tax.What board is it?
I noticed something similar on my steel legend. When coming back in the morning it is sitting there idle and awake. I thought it had something to do with using the windows install from my 9900k, because sleep and turbo never worked on that system. Setting it to 5ghz broke sleep and turbo settings on its board and I gave up trying to get it to work as forcing the issue caused blue screens. I had heavily messed with windows power settings a while back trying to get it to work for the last time. I was planning on doing a clean install as soon as I get a chance. Just a pain with all of my work software that is licensed.Seems like EXPO RAM profiles screw up something about ACPI. I don't have sleep mode enabled when selecting the EXPO profile, comes right back setting RAM back to auto. It also boots much, much faster just using the JEDEC profile, at least as fast as my AM4 build (a second or two). Not that it's as bad as some people say with the OC profile but it does take 10-15 seconds before anything shows up on screen. I'm just going to run DDR5-4800 for a few days to make extra sure the new build is stable, then play around with setting the timings, frequency and voltages manually to see if that makes it work.
I saw this issue on Reddit as well, At least you can still use your new precious.X670E Taichi, but I found posts on amd.com from users of MSI and Gigabyte boards as well. I'm guessing it will be an AGESA level fix.
Luckily I can't actually tell the difference between 4800 and 5600MHz and am just here to play with new computing hardware.
You may have noticed some of the additional testing we did for the 7600X review was not included here. The reason is that there's nothing new to show: the 7950X scales the same with memory, it can handle DDR5-6000 with four DIMMs populated, and Resizable BAR scales as expected.
Can you do Gameplays on lower resolution? You limited by the GPU. It's interesting to see how well it's scale performance with frequency uplift
21% faster at gaming.4.2% faster than my 5900X at stock in gaming loads at 1440P.
Pass.
That’ll take the next gen of GPUs - if NVIDIA’s claims are real we will know soon!tested @ 1080p
lets see how it fairs at 4k or even 1440 UW resolution
I confess I am a resolution racist.I post 4K PC gaming videos online and I always get asked questions like this especially every time new PC gear is released.I hate 1080p
So I clapped back with how about AMD 7700X 5700Mhz all core at 1.30v and 6200Mhz ram and 2200Mhz Infinity fabric with recording straight from desktop and HWInfo64 on to game.
I bet I get NO RESPONSE from the 1080p whor..............wait I actually do not care what resolution I play at but prefer 4K and with the new prices of RTX 4090 and possible AMD Radeon ,I must just buy a phone to play games L/K![]()
Yeah it wont make much of a difference now, other than edge cases, but it isn’t a fixed target.I’m a 4K gamer as well so I doubt the 7700X will make a huge difference, but I’d be curious to see you run an in game benchmark at 1080p & 1440p ultra settlings. Stock vs. 5500 MHz and 5700 MHz.
There’s a shadow of the Tomb raider demo on steam you can use. You could also use the CP2077 built in benchmark if you have it. Plenty of games here:
https://xsreviews.co.uk/news/games-with-built-in-benchmarks-how-to-benchmark-your-pc/
I confess I am a resolution racist.I post 4K PC gaming videos online and I always get asked questions like this especially every time new PC gear is released.I hate 1080p
So I clapped back with how about AMD 7700X 5700Mhz all core at 1.30v and 6200Mhz ram and 2200Mhz Infinity fabric with recording straight from desktop and HWInfo64 on to game.
I bet I get NO RESPONSE from the 1080p whor..............wait I actually do not care what resolution I play at but prefer 4K and with the new prices of RTX 4090 and possible AMD Radeon ,I must just buy a phone to play games L/K![]()
Well I have not actually done much Ram test or FCLK yet but default voltage on the 5600 Ram seems fine at 6200 and FCLK also seems fine with no reduced performance at 2200.Did you test for performance regressions when adjusting the Fabric clock?
I set mine to 2200 and checked AIDA64 latency and it seemed to go up. Doesn't necessarily mean anything since windows could have been doing something in the background and the test gives a different score every time.
I know the memory controller is decoupled from the Fabric clock now, but don't know if there is some sort of divider being used that could gimp memory performance.
I was able to get mine higher than 2200 at stock voltage. I can't remember if it was 2300 or 2400, but any higher required a cmos reset.
I’m a 4K gamer as well so I doubt the 7700X will make a huge difference, but I’d be curious to see you run an in game benchmark at 1080p & 1440p ultra settlings. Stock vs. 5500 MHz and 5700 MHz.
There’s a shadow of the Tomb raider demo on steam you can use. You could also use the CP2077 built in benchmark if you have it. Plenty of games here:
https://xsreviews.co.uk/news/games-with-built-in-benchmarks-how-to-benchmark-your-pc/
Would you mind doing a comparison in Faster Than Light at 1080p and 4K please?Well I have not actually done much Ram test or FCLK yet but default voltage on the 5600 Ram seems fine at 6200 and FCLK also seems fine with no reduced performance at 2200.
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I own over 1000+ games.I have all the good ones lol. I have not tested this yet on the 7700X and I am not tryiing to avoid you asking me to test ,I will test it and post results but have tested this over the years and there is no real difference in FPS per game from CPU clock speed (lets say with newer CPU CPU clock range 4800Mhz-5700Mhz on Ultra RT settings on lowest setting CPU bound clock speed makes a differance at 720/1080p).
As equinox654 said there may be a few edge cases.
This screen is with a 12900K at 1080 in cyberpunk.FPS around the same
4900Mhz P-Core E-Cores 4000 DDR4 Gear1 CL15 4000Mhz vs 5400Mhz P-Cores E-Cores 3700 Gear2 DDR4 CL17 4000Mhz
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Well I have not actually done much Ram test or FCLK yet but default voltage on the 5600 Ram seems fine at 6200 and FCLK also seems fine with no reduced performance at 2200.
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Yes I watched the skatterbench video overclocking to 6Ghz ,was awesome and it makes me want to buy a 7950X.I knew before release that some 7950X would hit 6Ghz.I just picked the 7700X for PC Gaming because that is all I do on the computer. I use the BCLK 1 Mhz clock to round out the bus to even numbers since I bought the AMD 7700X.This is at 6000MHZ 36-36-36-96-132
I have seen the latency go as low as 68ns. After I posted earlier I saw a guide at Igor's Lab. It showed a few percentage improvement with 2166 over 2000 FCLK.
Earlier today I set the FLCK to 2200 and the Ram to 6200mhz with same timings and it seemed to work with similar latency to yours but it randomly rebooted after 10 mins.
Then I tried 6000mhz 34-34-34-72-128 and same thing. Hoping I can adjust some voltages. Just don't know what is safe yet on this platform or even what to raise besides SOC and VDDR.
Also have PBO curve optimizer at -12 with +200mhz on the max clock. Seeing boosts to 5.9 in lightly threaded loads.
Bus overclocking is a thing again too. You have 2 PLL generators on X670 boards. You can bump the speed on the 2nd to say 106 then do max clock negative offsets to keep it from trying to boost to the moon. I booted into windows at 6ghz. Not stable yet though.
You have to use the curve optimizer with a positive offset since you will be running at a higher speed with a lower multiplier. I think PBO scales voltage with multiplier. So, if you are not thermally or current limited you can trick the PBO algorithm to boost higher. Pretty cool for low thread tasks.
If I wasn’t doing rendering and simulations. I would have went with the 7700x.Yes I watched the skatterbench video overclocking to 6Ghz ,was awesome and it makes me want to buy a 7950X.I knew before release that some 7950X would hit 6Ghz.I just picked the 7700X for PC Gaming because that is all I do on the computer. I use the BCLK 1 Mhz clock to round out the bus to even numbers since I bought the AMD 7700X.
With the FCLK like I mentioned I have not really been testing it yet but have done overnight around 12Hr test on the default setting DDR5 6200 and 2200FCLK,I have not tested any Ram timings yet but I will.Aida64 is not consistent with latency and some people put way to much into looking at the numbers.
Thing is the AMD 7700X is so good,runs great and I am satisfied with the settings I am running 100% that I am not even sure I want to do anymore testing. AM5 is just that good and in reality chasing higher CPU or lower Latency does nothing for my PC Gaming as I have tested this crap to death on these CPU's in the last couple years 2600X/3600X/3600XT/3800X/3800XT/5600X/5800X/10850K/12900K
Oh about the safe voltage thing,I would trust the AMD engineers to know how to set there CPU limits on voltage more than anyone on the internet.Plus you have a warranty if anything goes wrong. There is no lose in trying different things
Yes I watched the skatterbench video overclocking to 6Ghz ,was awesome and it makes me want to buy a 7950X.I knew before release that some 7950X would hit 6Ghz.I just picked the 7700X for PC Gaming because that is all I do on the computer. I use the BCLK 1 Mhz clock to round out the bus to even numbers since I bought the AMD 7700X.
With the FCLK like I mentioned I have not really been testing it yet but have done overnight around 12Hr test on the default setting DDR5 6200 and 2200FCLK,I have not tested any Ram timings yet but I will.Aida64 is not consistent with latency and some people put way to much into looking at the numbers.
Thing is the AMD 7700X is so good,runs great and I am satisfied with the settings I am running 100% that I am not even sure I want to do anymore testing. AM5 is just that good and in reality chasing higher CPU or lower Latency does nothing for my PC Gaming as I have tested this crap to death on these CPU's in the last couple years 2600X/3600X/3600XT/3800X/3800XT/5600X/5800X/10850K/12900K
Oh about the safe voltage thing,I would trust the AMD engineers to know how to set there CPU limits on voltage more than anyone on the internet.Plus you have a warranty if anything goes wrong. There is no lose in trying different things
Sorry I do not own the game.Would you mind doing a comparison in Faster Than Light at 1080p and 4K please?
Awesome share your results when complete.I did really like my 2600X and did the same testing years ago.I do not remember getting any difference in performance but I was only using 2600X and 1080Ti.Funny you mention this as I’m currently testing a 2600X with an RTX 3090. Mostly testing the effect of memory latency when CPU bottlenecked. Going from 3200 CL16 to 3533 CL14 I’m seeing on AVG around a 10% increase in performance at 1080p. Obviously those numbers would dwindle at the resolution increases. Still, definitely seems worth it if you have a cheap B-Die kit.
B650 boards announce today. We've already has
This still low key blows my mind. I understand the big boys wanna eek out as much performance as they possibly can for launch benchmarks and whatnot, but isn't there just as much cred amongst the enthusiast crowd for OC headroom? Why not match these seriously undervolted numbers out of the box in the name of efficiency with available stock profiles to OC up to this max performance? Or, at the very least, include these undervolted profiles as additional Eco modes? I just don't get it. There's gotta be some kind of stability issues with this kind of undervolting, right? It just doesn't make sense to me.
That’s the techpowerup conclusion. It was more than one game.21% faster at gaming.
Anyone can cherry pick a number from one game.![]()
Sure - with a RTX 3090 Ti. As new GPUs come out next week we will see.That’s the techpowerup conclusion. It was more than one game.