Ryzen 4 Reviews Are Out.

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Basically, if all you do is game, and are still on an older 3000 series Zen3, then the 5800X3D is the best bang for the buck upgrade. Even a whole Zen3 system will be hard to beat for the money.

If you just need to smash through productivity at breakneck speed then the 7950X is the king of the castle.
 

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PC gamer here who actually like's AMD CPU's and bought 8-10 Ryzen CPU's for my PC gaming pleasure for fun. I will be skipping this generation of AMD CPU's as of today's reviews.Looking forward to AMD GPU's
 

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Watching to see how this stacks with Raptor Lake to see if it's time for any upgrades here. Right now it's definitely not replacing my 3960X (not enough PCIE or CPU horsepower to make a significant difference, and RAM limitations). Raptor Lake will determine if it's time to upgrade the Comet Lake gaming box.
 

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"AMD in trouble" and "this is madness!!!" lol get those clicks boys.
Seruously. JayzTwoBraincells has really stepped into the red nose and clownshoes role lately - his clickbait cringe is bordering on self-parody, and I'm kinda baffled anyone here would bother with him since his audience is now apparently 15 year olds.
 

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5800x3D is STILL the baddest gaming CPU in the land!!!

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Yeah, my son has a 5600x with a decent board and I have a x370 board in a closet with a 1700x in it. I have been wanting to trade him my 9900k for a while and put a 5800X 3d in for ms flight simulator and star citizen.
I held up knowing Ryzen 7000 was coming. Had I known this... I would have bought the 5800x 3d already and gave that to him when I upgraded to 7000 series X3d.
 

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I was tempted to get the 7950x since I am getting a 4090 but I'll skip until the X3D versions come out.
 

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Is there going to be a full line-up of 3D chips (ie: 7600X3D) and what prices are people expecting?
Not really interested in a last gen 5800X3D.
If I had to guess, AMD will release a full lineup of Ryzen 7000x3D chips. The 5800x3D was more of a tech demo and was designed to steal some thunder from Intel more than anything.

I would fully expect AMD to release a 7950x3D to kick Intel in the nads.
 

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If I had to guess, AMD will release a full lineup of Ryzen 7000x3D chips. The 5800x3D was more of a tech demo and was designed to steal some thunder from Intel more than anything.

I would fully expect AMD to release a 7950x3D to kick Intel in the nads.


Certainly the 5800x3d put a little bit of a damper on this launch.
 

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Certainly the 5800x3d put a little bit of a damper on this launch.
Anyone that primarily games has zero reason to buy a 7000 series. A comparable, or mostly faster, gaming system with a 5800X3D will be hundreds of dollars cheaper to build with more readily available parts.

AMD also said that the 5800X3D will not be the last X3D part on AM4. Which leaves room for upgrades later on.
 

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wow... so these things are just going to YOLO F*** IT to 95C TJMAX and use 250~ watts on it own? ... I wonder if California will try to ban them? feels like a conspiracy with ATX Mid/Full Tower makers to force people away from ITX Builds =P I guess AIO makers are going to be pleased???
 

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In Zen 3 the 8-core 5800X ran hotter than the other R7's and even R9's. This was apparently because of the CCD placed on the same chip or something. Now from what I gather, all the new Zen 4 R7's and R9's run hot (around 95°C). Will the 8-core 7700 also run hotter than the rest of the new Zen 4 CPU stack too? Is there something about an 8-core that AMD chooses to run hotter?
 

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A bit disappointed by the 7000 series. They basically went the Intel route of pumping power into the CPUs until the cooling gives up and the major performance gains are mostly in highly multithreaded work while not being able to match Intel's previous offerings in games.

The 7900x will probably need a price drop. Can't see why someone would go for that when the 7950x is only slightly more expensive. The 7900x would make more sense at 480USD. The pricing gap on the 5000 series made the 5900x the best value for money for productivity+gaming but it loses out in the current gen IMO. Gamers would go 5800x3D, 7700x or intel while productivity would go 7950x or possibly next gen intel.

Not sure how the 7700x and lower makes any sense with the x670 motherboards as they are all quite expensive and same goes for DDR5. If one is spending around 300 on motherboard and buying expensive ram then the 7950x is the only sensible option from AMD in the 7000 series until budget motherboards come out.
 

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All aboard the RDNA3 train. CHOO CHOO!
keeping 5800x for now... Maybe a few months...hah
 

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A bit disappointed by the 7000 series. They basically went the Intel route of pumping power into the CPUs until the cooling gives up and the major performance gains are mostly in highly multithreaded work while not being able to match Intel's previous offerings in games.

The 7900x will probably need a price drop. Can't see why someone would go for that when the 7950x is only slightly more expensive. The 7900x would make more sense at 480USD. The pricing gap on the 5000 series made the 5900x the best value for money for productivity+gaming but it loses out in the current gen IMO. Gamers would go 5800x3D, 7700x or intel while productivity would go 7950x or possibly next gen intel.

Not sure how the 7700x and lower makes any sense with the x670 motherboards as they are all quite expensive and same goes for DDR5. If one is spending around 300 on motherboard and buying expensive ram then the 7950x is the only sensible option from AMD in the 7000 series until budget motherboards come out.
New platform prices are always high when they first come out. X570, DDR4-3600(and up) were stupid expensive when they came out for Zen2+ (3000 series).

Just have to wait for B650 to come out and DDR5 prices to come down a bit for the market to equalize.

Bleeding edge will always have bleeding edge tax.
 

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In Zen 3 the 8-core 5800X ran hotter than the other R7's and even R9's. This was apparently because of the CCD placed on the same chip or something. Now from what I gather, all the new Zen 4 R7's and R9's run hot (around 95°C). Will the 8-core 7700 also run hotter than the rest of the new Zen 4 CPU stack too? Is there something about an 8-core that AMD chooses to run hotter?
Only one CCD so the wattage per CCD is higher and the 5800x, 5900x and 5950x had 142w max limit on watts, but the 5800x dumped all into 1 CCD wile the 5900x and 5950x would distribute it among two CCDs (more area and mass to spread the heat over). This gen the 7900x and 7950x have gotten much more watts so they will have about the same power per CCD as the 7700x so they will all run very hot. Expect the top 3 CPUs to run at fairly similar temps in sustained all core loads.
 

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New platform prices are always high when they first come out. X570, DDR4-3600(and up) were stupid expensive when they came out for Zen2+ (3000 series).

Just have to wait for B650 to come out and DDR5 prices to come down a bit for the market to equalize.

Bleeding edge will always have bleeding edge tax.
The price isn't the issue if I were to upgrade, just disappointed in the performance and power usage. If I were to upgrade then i would go with a 7950x and one of the higher end x670e boards as that is the only one of the CPUs that makes sense to upgrade to from previous gen Intel and AMD, but will sit this round out and see if it is worth it with next years CPUs.
 

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Welp, I've a x570 mobo waiting. Guess i'll put that to use in the next 5-6 months and upgrade my 3600. Zen 5 it is.
 

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The price isn't the issue if I were to upgrade, just disappointed in the performance and power usage.
Pretty much. I run a 5600x and always liked how much you get in a relatively efficient power envelope. The 7600x...wow...
 

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I'm not impressed with Zen 4. Way too much heat for those of us that prefer air cooling, and the performance just isn't there.
 

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I'm not impressed with Zen 4. Way too much heat for those of us that prefer air cooling, and the performance just isn't there.
Judging by the performance with my h150i and 9900k. I wouldnt be surprised if if they overwhelmed the cooler on long runs.
 

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Judging by the performance with my h150i and 9900k. I wouldnt be surprised if if they overwhelmed the cooler on long runs.
No it wont. The CPU's are made to run that high of a temp. If you look at Debauer, he was able to delid the CPU and get a massive 18-20c temps. So, its not the Heatsink thats the issue. The CPU's are just made to run hot on purpose.

Even with his custom WC loop. It was constantly get up to 90c no problem and run just fine.

 

equinox654

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Im just saying my h150i is a piece of crap. 170watt load for a long run would get the water temp too high.
 

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Only one CCD so the wattage per CCD is higher and the 5800x, 5900x and 5950x had 142w max limit on watts, but the 5800x dumped all into 1 CCD wile the 5900x and 5950x would distribute it among two CCDs (more area and mass to spread the heat over). This gen the 7900x and 7950x have gotten much more watts so they will have about the same power per CCD as the 7700x so they will all run very hot. Expect the top 3 CPUs to run at fairly similar temps in sustained all core loads.
Thanks, so do you happen to know whether the 7700x and 7900x have one or two CCDs?
 

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derBauer De-lids a 7950x and gets a 20c drop. It seems something is deficient with the IHS or its thermal connection.


For 4 years i have been GPU-less I have been using a $400 2200g stop gap build waiting on the mining craze to calm down and GPU prices to come back to normal.

I have a lot of pent up demand and I was seriously considering a from scratch build arround a 7000 series in early 2023.

But from what I have seen so far to do 7000 series to my satisfaction leans towards custom water loop, AMD says 95c is perfectly fine, but not something i would realistically be comfortable with. watercooling is something I have been interested in doing for 20 years but I always have the same problem, water cooled is a diffrent class of build, an indulgent halo build. It makes no sense to spend hundreds on cooling parts to cool low end parts. the budget then spirals out of control.

My alternative is to stick with Am4, pcie4, ddr4, complete dead ends but perfectly serviceable for now, just no upgrade path, can't even complain about it as AMD had kept a steady platform for ages now. I have waited so long that about all i could re-use is the case and maybe motherboard, and even thats a strech. but will run fine on air. Components will be at a discount soon and I could make a reasonable middle class system that if I were being honest is all i really need.
 
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