Philips BDM4065UC - 40" 4K 60Hz monitor thread

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http://www.amazon.com/Desk-Mount-LC...e=UTF8&qid=1420125959&sr=1-1&keywords=lx+tall

This mount easily holds displays up to 25 pounds, it is your best bet hands down for this display if you're willing to spend the money.

The other traditional height arms aren't tall enough to keep a monitor this size with this height from resting barely off of the desktop. This arm will allow you to pull a traditional monitor up to standing height if desired (and achieve standard height for sitting if desired), which means you will have the range to position this massive display at whatever sitting height you desire.

Also, the Phillips display itself weighs between 18-19 pounds, so this arm is plenty strong to hold this in place without any sagging. Enjoy.
 

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I found a Taobao agent-http://www.yoybuy.com/en/


that would sell one for $700 but with shipping+fees it came out to about $1060.00

With the difference being only couple hundred dollars ill go Ebay since its covered from getting screwed/broken/returns, etc..

You don't need an agent if you live in the US, you can probably find a seller that speaks enough engrish to be understandable, but that's actually a pretty good price if it already has the fees of the agent in it.

BTW taobao is bigger than ebay and also covers you in case of problems.

So what happens if one needs warranty work here in the states on one of these monitors bought from China?

Unless philips decides to give warranty in the US for monitors not bought in the US you're pretty screwed, since even if the chinese seller is willing to deal with the warranty for you, you still need to pay all the P&P, and I suspect sending a monitor from the US to china is going to be pretty expensive. The only way to know for certain is to ask philips.
 

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thinking about using this cheap $33 Monitor arm like this-
http://www.amazon.com/Adjustable-Ti...F8&qid=1420066558&sr=1-2&keywords=monitor+arm


want it to sit flush on the desk like this one-


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hopefully that arm is strong enough(it says up to 33lbs so should be ok) just don't know if any of those arms have the height clearance, since there aren't really any 40" inch monitors out there to test.

Thats a pic of my setup :)

I have the monitor mounted on a SilverStone ARM11SC

Almost half the price of the ergotron, and pretty decent.

I have it mounted slightly off center though as it allows getting the monitor further back.

PS - Long time lurker - just registered to let people know what I was mounting the monitor on :)
 
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Thats a pic of my setup :)

I have the monitor mounted on a SilverStone ARM11SC

Almost half the price of the ergotron, and pretty decent.

I have it mounted slightly off center though as it allows getting the monitor further back.

PS - Long time lurker - just registered to let people know what I was mounting the monitor on :)

thanks for registering Overclocker :)


That Silverstone Mount you are using, is it strong enough to hold the monitor up off the desk? and can I mount it dead center if I don't push it back all the way?



my other option would be something like this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00801CRIO/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

just don't know if that stand has the clearance for 40"
 

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I found a Taobao agent-http://www.yoybuy.com/en/


that would sell one for $700 but with shipping+fees it came out to about $1060.00

With the difference being only couple hundred dollars ill go Ebay since its covered from getting screwed/broken/returns, etc..

Strange, I contacted yoybuy and got this response

Dear customer,

Thanks for contacting with Yoybuy customer service.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.78.P15ebf&id=42014075016&ns=1&abbucket=0#detail

We checked the seller with low reputation in 3 red stars, but the comments from some customers are good .

But we have to explain that we can not buy this electronic product which is fragile in the transit. Also we suggest you not buy the item from foreign country.


After reading that and hearing about a possible US launch I decided to wait.
 

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Thats a pic of my setup :)

I have the monitor mounted on a SilverStone ARM11SC

Almost half the price of the ergotron, and pretty decent.

I have it mounted slightly off center though as it allows getting the monitor further back.

PS - Long time lurker - just registered to let people know what I was mounting the monitor on :)

WELCOME

Now tell me what keyboard that is ;)
 

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Strange, I contacted yoybuy and got this response

Dear customer,

Thanks for contacting with Yoybuy customer service.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.78.P15ebf&id=42014075016&ns=1&abbucket=0#detail

We checked the seller with low reputation in 3 red stars, but the comments from some customers are good .

But we have to explain that we can not buy this electronic product which is fragile in the transit. Also we suggest you not buy the item from foreign country.


After reading that and hearing about a possible US launch I decided to wait.

You better wait, there will be more monitors announced in the upcoming weeks.
I used only Benq BL3201PT the last 8 days and tonight I wanted to give Philips another try but I had to go back to Benq after 40 min, it's much better for the eyes/head then Philips. I feel like Philips gives me headache and more eyestrain, probably due to the PWM.

Hopefully a 35"/36" 4K display will get released, 40" feels a bit big for general desktop usage, but it's awesome for gaming.
 

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thanks for registering Overclocker :)


That Silverstone Mount you are using, is it strong enough to hold the monitor up off the desk? and can I mount it dead center if I don't push it back all the way?

Yeah, it can hold the monitor up in any position easily.

If you center it, you need about 20cm clearance behind the desk due to the design, the hinge goes behind the pole.



WELCOME

Now tell me what keyboard that is ;)

As Dahkoht guessed, it is logitech g710+ :)
 
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mine shipped from Korea yesterday.


Fed Ex says it should be to me on Jan 7th. Lets hope it doesn't get stuck in customs :)
 
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chinese seller on ebay told me it will ship today. would have shipped earlier but the 1st through the 3rd is Chinese holiday.
 

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I need this monitor so bad. Good news, they have in the sotre by 12th january here in Denmark. The bad new, cant afford it right now.

I do wonder if the 200 dollar cheaper Phillips 40PUS6809 is the same panel, just not advertised as a computer monitor? Any thoughts?
 
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I need this monitor so bad. Good news, they have in the sotre by 12th january here in Denmark. The bad new, cant afford it right now.

I do wonder if the 200 dollar cheaper Phillips 40PUS6809 is the same panel, just not advertised as a computer monitor? Any thoughts?

Most tv's have massive input lag, not great for gaming. Also be sure to check if it can run 4K @ 60hz.
 

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I do wonder if the 200 dollar cheaper Phillips 40PUS6809 is the same panel, just not advertised as a computer monitor? Any thoughts?

Both 6809 and 7809 allow only 4k@30Hz, plus they have horrible input lag, like most if not all Philips TV's.
 
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In the Netherlands this monitor is still in back order, but prices between 651 and 700 euro's. Excluding Dutch 21% VAT that is 538-583 euro's or 646-694 USD. Eventually prices should decline to this level internationally. So you don't have to spend $1000+ if you have the patience to wait: I am waiting for 3 weeks already to get mine.
 

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In the Netherlands this monitor is still in back order, but prices between 651 and 700 euro's. Excluding Dutch 21% VAT that is 538-583 euro's or 646-694 USD. Eventually prices should decline to this level internationally. So you don't have to spend $1000+ if you have the patience to wait: I am waiting for 3 weeks already to get mine.

Do an dutch reatailers ship outside Netherlander? It might be even cheaper than here in Denmark.
 

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http://uk.kagoo.com/TVs-Monitors-Projectors/PC-Monitors/2512919/Philips-BDM4065UC.html

Haha, look at the *Reasons Against* red list on the right ;p 4th one
That review is BS, Look at what tftcentral said


Response Time
The response time performance of the BDM4065UC was impressive for a VA type panel, even when you consider we had to stick with the overdrive setting turned off to avoid a mass of overshoot artefacts.

Input Lag
The screen showed a total average display lag of 24.0 ms as measured with SMTT 2. Taking into account half the average G2G response time at 3.7ms ('off' SmartResponse overdrive setting), we can estimate that there is ~20.3 ms of signal processing lag on this screen. This is only just over 1 frame and represents a moderate level of lag. Should be ok for most gamers although some competitive or FPS type gamers might find it a bit too high.


Remember this is a PVA panel and not a TN panel. You want fast respone time? Get a TN panel and put up with crappy colors and viewing angles. This review was a joke, they keep saying "compared to most other comparable PC displays" What does that mean? Other 40" 4K monitors? Well guess what, there aren't any others LOL
 
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I got mine for 650 euros in the Netherlands but I have been waiting since 13 December. They said that it would be ready to send on 5 January. Hoping I will get it next week.
 

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That review is BS, Look at what tftcentral said


Response Time
The response time performance of the BDM4065UC was impressive for a VA type panel, even when you consider we had to stick with the overdrive setting turned off to avoid a mass of overshoot artefacts.

Input Lag
The screen showed a total average display lag of 24.0 ms as measured with SMTT 2. Taking into account half the average G2G response time at 3.7ms ('off' SmartResponse overdrive setting), we can estimate that there is ~20.3 ms of signal processing lag on this screen. This is only just over 1 frame and represents a moderate level of lag. Should be ok for most gamers although some competitive or FPS type gamers might find it a bit too high.


Remember this is a PVA panel and not a TN panel. You want fast respone time? Get a TN panel and put up with crappy colors and viewing angles. This review was a joke, they keep saying "compared to most other comparable PC displays" What does that mean? Other 40" 4K monitors? Well guess what, there aren't any others LOL

I know about input lag thanks, I just found it funny that they said Low input lag is bad thing ;p
I just wanted to show you guys how bad this review was. ( look like automatic review )

By the way, I will pick up my screen tomorrow at the post office, got a notification , probably have to pay an extra Tax ... The screen was sent last week from Shanghai . Arrived 2 days ago in Chiang mai. I ll let you know about my experience with BuyChina + Taobao.
 

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I know about input lag thanks, I just found it funny that they said Low input lag is bad thing ;p
I just wanted to show you guys how bad this review was. ( look like automatic review )

By the way, I will pick up my screen tomorrow at the post office, got a notification , probably have to pay an extra Tax ... The screen was sent last week from Shanghai . Arrived 2 days ago in Chiang mai. I ll let you know about my experience with BuyChina + Taobao.

If you got that notification because you specifically need to go to the post office (instead of the one you get when you're not home), then you will be paying taxes, or at least that's how it goes in most countries I know.
In my country you pay the VAT, + extra fees. You might also need certain certificates, for example in Europe for this sort of item you would need at least the 2006/95/EC, which if not included with the product needs to be provided by you at the post office (this is how it should work in Europe if the person at customs is doing their job properly).
 

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If you got that notification because you specifically need to go to the post office (instead of the one you get when you're not home), then you will be paying taxes, or at least that's how it goes in most countries I know.
In my country you pay the VAT, + extra fees. You might also need certain certificates, for example in Europe for this sort of item you would need at least the 2006/95/EC, which if not included with the product needs to be provided by you at the post office (this is how it should work in Europe if the person at customs is doing their job properly).

2006/95/EC is a European Directive, not a customs document. For monitors sold to private individuals from outside of the EU, the monitor should in principle be CE-marked as compliant with the Directive. The reality is that large volume shipments, like to European resellers will get much more scrutiny. A single screen mailed to a single European resident is unlikely to receive any real scrutiny beyond a check that the monitor has been successfully tested against harmonised electrical safety standards. While customs may ask the sender for this, they should NOT ask the European recipient.

The ''extra fees" you refer to are import duties, by the way
 

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I got mine for 650 euros in the Netherlands but I have been waiting since 13 December. They said that it would be ready to send on 5 January. Hoping I will get it next week.

Hey could you please provide a link? Cheapest I've found so far is eur674, in Belgium: http://hardware.be/philips/bdm4065uc-00.html
 

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Where did they say that? They said 'Very Slow Response Time' is a bad thing, and that is true.

they say : Very Slow Response Time
Similar spec flatpanel monitors have response times between 1ms and 25ms. With a response time of only 3 milliseconds, the Philips BDM4065UC has one of the slower response times of all the comparable LCD screens.



They made a mistake thinking 3ms is one of the slower when it is actually one of the Fastest. For response time, the lower the better, so 3ms response time is a very good point.
 

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they say : Very Slow Response Time
Similar spec flatpanel monitors have response times between 1ms and 25ms. With a response time of only 3 milliseconds, the Philips BDM4065UC has one of the slower response times of all the comparable LCD screens.



They made a mistake thinking 3ms is one of the slower when it is actually one of the Fastest. For response time, the lower the better, so 3ms response time is a very good point.

Well, they didn't make a mistake, they clearly say slow response times are bad - which is correct. They just eggagerated how 'bad' 3ms is because I assume they think 3ms is much worse than 1ms. I agree that it IS a dumb point.
 

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2006/95/EC is a European Directive, not a customs document. For monitors sold to private individuals from outside of the EU, the monitor should in principle be CE-marked as compliant with the Directive. The reality is that large volume shipments, like to European resellers will get much more scrutiny. A single screen mailed to a single European resident is unlikely to receive any real scrutiny beyond a check that the monitor has been successfully tested against harmonised electrical safety standards. While customs may ask the sender for this, they should NOT ask the European recipient.

The ''extra fees" you refer to are import duties, by the way

It is indeed not a custom specific document, but it is a document that needs to legally exist, for a product to enter the European market, since a product being marked as CE does not make the product CE compliant (also there are several CE's), and while it may be true that they should ask the sender for such a thing, most of the times they aren't going to have any real way to contact the sender, so it ends up to the buyer to provide the necessary documentation.
Now I'm not saying this usually happens, most of the time customs will just let things pass without checking (at least in my country), but it is what is legally required, they need to see the certificate (and verify that it is real OFC), and once in a while they will ask for such things, in fact I have had 1 case relatively recently where I was asked for it, and funnily enough despite there being a couple of stores selling the product in Europe, the product doesn't actually have the necessary certification, and as such the product is being sold illegally inside the EU lol. Obviously not a problem with the philips product.

It can be more than just import fees btw, you can have fees for how much time the package stays in their warehouse, and clearance fees due to the customs broker, which is usually used by companies like UPS.
 

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It is indeed not a custom specific document, but it is a document that needs to legally exist, for a product to enter the European market, since a product being marked as CE does not make the product CE compliant (also there are several CE's), and while it may be true that they should ask the sender for such a thing, most of the times they aren't going to have any real way to contact the sender, so it ends up to the buyer to provide the necessary documentation.
Now I'm not saying this usually happens, most of the time customs will just let things pass without checking (at least in my country), but it is what is legally required, they need to see the certificate (and verify that it is real OFC), and once in a while they will ask for such things, in fact I have had 1 case relatively recently where I was asked for it, and funnily enough despite there being a couple of stores selling the product in Europe, the product doesn't actually have the necessary certification, and as such the product is being sold illegally inside the EU lol. Obviously not a problem with the philips product.

It can be more than just import fees btw, you can have fees for how much time the package stays in their warehouse, and clearance fees due to the customs broker, which is usually used by companies like UPS.

May I ask which country you live in, and what customs' specific request was? This legislation is a Directive, meaning that it has to be transposed into national law by each EU member state. Each national transposition can and does vary slightly, and this leads (with basically all EU Directives) into subtle differences in terms of how the original legislation is applied in practice.

National customs may retain the right to scrutinize CE-marked products coming from outside the EU by use of measures not contained in the original EU legislation, and I suspect that's what's happening in your case. One way they can typically do this is to look at the manufacturer's Declaration of Conformity or, where there are real concerns, consult the product's technical file. However, the Low Voltage Directive contains nothing about 'certificates' and, as I said in my last post, the certification most likely to be requested of the manufacturer would be certificates from test houses, that verify application of an EU harmonised standard to the product. This certificate is not a customs document, nor is it a regulatory document. Even if regulatory certificates did exist for this Directive, they would not be called a '2006/95/EC' certificates.

By the way, plenty of locally-manufactured products show the CE marking without being in compliance with the relevant legislation. The issue is by no means limited to products produced abroad. 'Foreign' products are just a little easier to control before they start being sold, because customs can add a layer of pre-market checking. Nearly all products subject to CE marking legislation have NO pre-market approval from a government body. This is very different to what happens in jurisdictions like the US.

Source: I'm a regulatory professional specialising in CE marking legislation, based in Brussels for nearly 8 years now.

P.S., You're absolutely right about the fees. Last time I imported a monitor from outside the EU, the import duties and VAT were more-or-less what I had calculated. However, the standard 'convenience' fee that customs added still burns, especially since I have no way of verifying whether customs exerted any real energy in 'checking' my product. I bet it's their way of staying afloat after all the tariff reductions that the EU signed up for at WTO level. Ugh.

TL;DR - don't take crap from customs
 

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I do wonder if the ship indside o EU, cause that is alot cheaper than here in Denmark. It costs almost 1000 euros here.

Call them and ask? Their number is +31-572-328120. As a native English speaker who was hopeless for my first few years in Europe, I quickly found that Dutch speakers tended to speak decent English almost as reliably as the Scandinavians :)

Edit: Actually, don't bother. Just to ship it from Netherlands to Belgium (where I live) was going to cost EUR35. Instead, use this link: http://hardware.be/philips/bdm4065uc-00.html
That's a slightly higher starting price but shipping to Denmark should only coist EUR19.46 (that's what it quoted me when I did a mock order to Aarhus). So just under EUR700 all up, quite a bit cheaper than EUR1000
 
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they say : Very Slow Response Time
Similar spec flatpanel monitors have response times between 1ms and 25ms. With a response time of only 3 milliseconds, the Philips BDM4065UC has one of the slower response times of all the comparable LCD screens.

They made a mistake thinking 3ms is one of the slower when it is actually one of the Fastest. For response time, the lower the better, so 3ms response time is a very good point.

Maybe they meant to say 'lower' response time, and accidentally said 'slower'? Low response times are good, slow ones are bad.
 

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May I ask which country you live in, and what customs' specific request was? This legislation is a Directive, meaning that it has to be transposed into national law by each EU member state. Each national transposition can and does vary slightly, and this leads (with basically all EU Directives) into subtle differences in terms of how the original legislation is applied in practice.

National customs may retain the right to scrutinize CE-marked products coming from outside the EU by use of measures not contained in the original EU legislation, and I suspect that's what's happening in your case. One way they can typically do this is to look at the manufacturer's Declaration of Conformity or, where there are real concerns, consult the product's technical file. However, the Low Voltage Directive contains nothing about 'certificates' and, as I said in my last post, the certification most likely to be requested of the manufacturer would be certificates from test houses, that verify application of an EU harmonised standard to the product. This certificate is not a customs document, nor is it a regulatory document. Even if regulatory certificates did exist for this Directive, they would not be called a '2006/95/EC' certificates.

By the way, plenty of locally-manufactured products show the CE marking without being in compliance with the relevant legislation. The issue is by no means limited to products produced abroad. 'Foreign' products are just a little easier to control before they start being sold, because customs can add a layer of pre-market checking. Nearly all products subject to CE marking legislation have NO pre-market approval from a government body. This is very different to what happens in jurisdictions like the US.

Source: I'm a regulatory professional specialising in CE marking legislation, based in Brussels for nearly 8 years now.

P.S., You're absolutely right about the fees. Last time I imported a monitor from outside the EU, the import duties and VAT were more-or-less what I had calculated. However, the standard 'convenience' fee that customs added still burns, especially since I have no way of verifying whether customs exerted any real energy in 'checking' my product. I bet it's their way of staying afloat after all the tariff reductions that the EU signed up for at WTO level. Ugh.

TL;DR - don't take crap from customs

The country in this case is Portugal, and the request besides the proof or purchase and all that usual stuff, was the certificate of conformity with the 2006/95/EC.
Yeah there are going to be big variations if this is actually applied or not, for example I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have had this problem if I had the item sent by normal mail (non express), since the people that deal with non express mail are different than the ones that deal with express mail, and the line for non express mail is ridiculously long while the one for express mail is most of the times non existent, so I suspect that comes into play a lot when verifying such trivial matters.

You are right about the certificates being from test houses, however there are several of them, so you pretty much need to contact the manufacturer to get the certificate for the specific product you have, for example the product in question had a certificate for 2004/108/EC and you could verify it's authenticity on the test house website, but there was OFC no way to know what certificates that product had using the website.

Didn't mean to imply it was a problem with just foreign products, there is obviously going to be a ton of products being sold inside the EU that didn't went to a test house to be verified, especially when directives like the 2006/95/EC are so useless that pretty much any product that works will pass the tests, but since those products don't pass through customs (when shipping from 1 EU country to another), it's unlikely to be a problem for people buying them (or selling them).
 

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Call them and ask? Their number is +31-572-328120. As a native English speaker who was hopeless for my first few years in Europe, I quickly found that Dutch speakers tended to speak decent English almost as reliably as the Scandinavians :)

Edit: Actually, don't bother. Just to ship it from Netherlands to Belgium (where I live) was going to cost EUR35. Instead, use this link: http://hardware.be/philips/bdm4065uc-00.html
That's a slightly higher starting price but shipping to Denmark should only coist EUR19.46 (that's what it quoted me when I did a mock order to Aarhus). So just under EUR700 all up, quite a bit cheaper than EUR1000

You'r the man! Thx!
 
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