It's already captured on camera. AW3423DW flicker is below 175Hz. It is invisible but it can strain the eyes.Sure if u say so
It's already captured on camera. AW3423DW flicker is below 175Hz. It is invisible but it can strain the eyes.
At most, miniLED from Samsung like G8 has the invisible PWM flicker around 958Hz. Samsung miniLED frequency is probably 15000Hz. It can drop below 1000Hz with local dimming but it is much better than QD-OLED 175Hz.
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The miniLED from PG is DC dimming all along. This is a big difference.
HDR will get brighter to PQ 10,000nits. It is set as a standard for a reason. Flicker at high brightness needs to be dealt with first or it will be just like AW3423DW that doesn't even pass HDR 600 but already causes eye strain.
I've seen every kind of display imaginable starting from monochrome CRTs of yore, and have a high end FALD VA tv from Samsung...Have you ever seen FALD VA like G8/G7? FALD is better than OLED. OLED is mid-tier. If you have comparison, you won't say the same. Good luck using the flickering AW3423DW for long.
Again, good luck using the flickering dimmer AW3423DW for long unless you use it 10 feet away like one of your TVs. The way you praise AW3423DW makes me confirm that you have no idea what a true HDR1000 monitor is capable of.I've seen every kind of display imaginable starting from monochrome CRTs of yore, and have a high end FALD VA tv from Samsung...
FWIW premium VA TVs even edge lit ones have decent HDR, the NU8000 I had for a while pleasantly surprised me with it's HDR capabilities, barely any blooming to speak of, my G70A edge lit IPS monitor looks cartoonish in comparison despite being a very recent upper end monitor.
Sadly after this comment, I have no choice but to ignore.Enjoy your FALD displays. 'OLED worst in HDR' can probably be a funny meme.Again, good luck using the flickering dimmer AW3423DW for long unless you use it 10 feet away like one of your TVs. The way you praise AW3423DW makes me confirm that you have no idea what a true HDR1000 monitor is capable of.
Funny even IPS X27 looks better than AW3423DW in both SDR and HDR. OLED is the worst in HDR. OLED will only turn out to be as good as a SDR calibration monitor.
Obi Wan originals use DV and their HDR10 recodes are not good, hence LG panels superiority here since no Samsung screens even sadly QD OLEDs support DV.This monitor is so bizarre. Was testing HDR media and noticed the letterbox bars were grey. Thought it was just Obi Wan HDR file I was using so I threw it up on my C2 and got pitch black bars.
Moved it back to the G8 and went way off axis to see WTF the FALD is doing and got my answer:
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Basically the FALDs behavior seems to be completely based on APL even when it shouldn't be necessary. If APL is high enough it will not turn off zones completely. I'm guessing they're doing this as yet another attempt at managing bloom but it really backfires in movies/shows like this.
OLED cannot maintain brightness. HDR doesn't look that good in comparison.
The top-tier products from manufacturers are always FALD LCDs. They have the brightness and contrast. They don't flicker like QD-OLED.
Of course, Samsung G8/G7 with ABL backlight are not true HDR1000 monitors because they are mid-tier in FALD LCD with relative low price. But it is still better than OLED that has even more ABL.
It's obvious enough to see the difference between a true HDR 1000 FLAD monitor and the latest QD-OLED. OLED monitors cant catch up with HDR with low brightness. OLED flickering hasn't been solved in high brightness. That's why manufacturers are trying to popularize FALD LCD much more than OLED.
In some cases, even in SDR, a true FALD HDR 1000 monitor with its caliber can look even better than HDR on AW3423DW due to ABL.
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People thought OLED with the infinite contrast looks better. It doesn't. The contrast of OLED loses to FALD LCD if the brightness is not enough. The infinite (x/0) contrast of OLED is not the true contrast due to the compromise of brightness. The higher the brightness goes without rising the black level, the more contrast the monitor displays. And FALD LCD has more contrast in this regard.
Meanwhile, while everyone is looking at the car trying to figure out what the difference is, I'm looking at the house in the background and wondering why the AC unit is floating over the roof.Below is the difference between G8 and C2 in most games/media. Like I said there are rare exceptions where for some reason the G8 looks mostly right like Doom Eternal. I have a suspicion that we didn't get the usual tech influencer review bonanza on this monitor because they were likely told to hold off for a fix.
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I set that guy to ignore a long time ago. Sounds like he's still at it.While certain n00bs will cry otherwise till blue in the face, HDR is best achieved with per pixel lighting and that means OLEDs, nothing else can come close to that level of ideal lighting precision by definition.
I already told them the facts. G8 10% is above 2000nits. 50% is 600nits.kramnelis
Why does it have to be black & white, us vs them, wrong or right? If you want to show people you're right, just show the facts. Let people make up their own minds. No need to insult. In fact, insults are the worst way to get someone to respect your opinion (right or wrong).
Also, you should consider toning down the vitriol until you've been on the forum longer than a week and have some "street cred". You're like the new guy in a boxing ring talking trash and throwing punches, but no wins under your belt to prove yourself.
This is laughable.Individually lit pixels with infinite contrast vs huge dimming zones and moderate contrast. Done and done! So what was your old username?
The bowtie curve on this counts it out for me. I'd love a flat 27-28" 4k 120hz+ oled. 32" is too low ppi for my desires, but I'd settle .OLED owns. But there's no 32" 4k 120+hz version that I know of , so the on sale Neo G7 seems like my best bet for now. Damn thing is taking forever to get here tho.
That's strange because "low" is more aggressive than Auto. Auto is almost like no local dimming except when very little is on screen. I had the AW and my real issue with it was desktop use where it looked terrible not just because of PPI but the resolution itself. It would be awesome in a 38" size because 27" vertical equivalent as it is just feels claustrophobic and lacking immersion coming from a 32 or worse yet the 42.So I received delivery of my Odyssey Neo G8 from Amazon. I have it side by side with my AW3423DW. Yes there are definitely scanlines on my unit at 240hz, I noticed them on my blueish green wallpaper. I have the local dimming set to 'Low' because when it's set to 'High' or 'Auto' I can see a bit of noticeable blooming on bright objects against dark backgrounds. It definitely isn't OLED contrast but it's still very good to the point that I would consider it good even side by side with my OLED. The most annoying thing is the mouse being extremely dark when up against a dark background due to the dimming zones. HDR looks pretty bad as others are saying. The colors are more noticeably vibrant on the AW3423DW. I've noticed a bug with Auto Dimming turning off when exiting HDR games but it not actually displaying that in the menu. Power cycling the monitor makes Auto Dimming turn on again. I've noticed this bug twice in two days. IMO for $1,300 the Alienware is a better buy, the 108 PPI is pretty bad but you can use super sampling (Nvidia DSR for example) to get 2160p in games which makes it the ultimate monitor at that point for me.
Yeah I was conflicted mainly because the jump from 120hz to 240hz is extremely noticeable to me in terms of smoothness and motion clarity. What wasn't as significant to me was the jump in PPI between the 42 and 32. Its there fore sure but not as significant to the eye. TBH the biggest thing I'll miss is the 240hz smoothness.Back from doing a fair amount of testing the 42" C2 against the Neo G7. I was pleasantly surprised at the stand packed in with the C2. The legs are designed in such a way that you can keep it really far back on your desk, which is important since this is such a large display.
I'm not here to bash one display or another, but the C2 is the clear winner in my book. The C2 is stunningly beautiful in both SDR and especially HDR content. In SDR content, the C2 comes out on top but by only a small margin. The colors on the Neo G7 (and Neo G8) are surprisingly rich and if you don't plan to use HDR you will probably be happy with it. Games with HDR are insane on the C2. The colors and depth that it brings out of games is really something to behold. I'm hoping Samsung can release a firmware that fixes the HDR because as of now it just doesn't add anything to the games I tested. Also, on my Neo G7 I noticed a fair amount of flickering that could only be fixed by enabling VRR control which caused stuttering issues. There is a possibility my panel was defective as well. I'm not getting any noticeable flicker on the C2. LG must have also improved on the image retention this generation as I've been browsing the web without auto-hiding the taskbar and so far not seeing any retention when doing gray to white uniformity checks afterward.
At this point I'll likely keep the C2 and send the Neo G7 back. However, if a 42" display is too big for your needs I think you'll be happy with the Neo G7/G8 assuming yours doesn't flicker and Samsung releases a firmware that improves the HDR experience. It has a lot of potential.
My G70A develops a red line if I press on the middle bezel and given the 'stellar' rep of their NJ service center, I'm just going to see iff it becomes a permanent problem before risking a 'repair'.I swung by my bros place to check his G8 out and confirm the HDR issue and same thing with his setup. Whats appalling is the QC of these monitors. Mine has pretty moderate DSE with a prominent vertical band near the center while his is super clean but has a few dust/debris spots. Neither have dead/stuck pixels so there's that.
That's strange because "low" is more aggressive than Auto. Auto is almost like no local dimming except when very little is on screen. I had the AW and my real issue with it was desktop use where it looked terrible not just because of PPI but the resolution itself. It would be awesome in a 38" size because 27" vertical equivalent as it is just feels claustrophobic and lacking immersion coming from a 32 or worse yet the 42.
Yeah I was conflicted mainly because the jump from 120hz to 240hz is extremely noticeable to me in terms of smoothness and motion clarity. What wasn't as significant to me was the jump in PPI between the 42 and 32. Its there fore sure but not as significant to the eye. TBH the biggest thing I'll miss is the 240hz smoothness.
Not gonna lie the scanlines are not a big deal to me. Saw them pop up in games like 10% of the time and here and there on the desktop and in either scenario I'd have to be pretty close for it to be intrusive. The Neo G9's scanlines on the other hand were terrible probably because of the lower resolution.
Do you think it's a firmware thing that could be resolved, kind of seems like it is.Yeah, I was testing the local dimming with very little on the screen and with things displayed mostly against completely black backgrounds, and in those cases I felt it Auto was more aggressive.
Also, here is a picture comparison in RE2 in a dark scene between the Neo G8 and AW3423DW. My biggest compaint with the Odyssey is that with the local dimming certain scenes are just too dim especially when compared with the QD-OLED.
The caution signs on the canister-like objects just get lost in darkness on the Odyssey and I haven't been able to rectify that with local dimming on.
Side question, is anyone else having an issue with this monitor where you can't turn on DSR (Dynamic Super Resolution) in NVIDIA Control Panel? I don't see the option at all.
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Do you think it's a firmware thing that could be resolved, kind of seems like it is.