If they don’t publish the MSRP then what ever price you find it at is the RP.
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070: up to 30% faster than RTX 3090 in gaming
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This is actually Kyle's prediction, correct? GPU MSRP going away assuming there is not a drastic change in market conditions?
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but then the 3090ti came out with a msrp after that prediction
600+ watts is really hard to cool on-air alone, I am guessing all the high-end 550w + cards are going to come with some form of liquid AiO coolers. Otherwise, you are going to need some rather unpleasant fans to keep those temperatures down.
I may be dreaming, but I am hoping for something in the 250w range that performs around the 3080ti, given that the mobile version of it manages to pull around 150w while only being ~30% slower than its desktop counterpart leads me to believe it is possible, the node shrink alone could spread that gap
But because of space limitations and how work is shaping up, I may just ditch the desktop altogether and look for a decent laptop with a 4070 class GPU in there.
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The 5000 series will require a 30amp run to your office. /s
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Hell, my space heater tripped the circuit at my old office when the heat broke in the middle of winter a few years ago.
Circuit killed maybe 8 cubes.I have a Dell T640 in my rack running some accelerator cards that are running in the 500w range. That system causes the AC to kick up a notch on full load and you can hear it on the other side of the building sounds like a small jet attempting liftoff. Datacenter’s require liquid on all accelerators over 600w for a reason, it’s just not feasible to do them on air.
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I can cool my **Edit** Shunt modded 600W 3090 FE on the retail cooler but it reaches 80C at max fan speed.
and that's with a thermal pad rework and liquid metal with an 0.2mm indium pad sandwiched on both sides between the LM (I think this gives temps somewhere close to in-between pure LM and thermal paste)
Going to try direct LM later without the pad as i suspect the pad is slightly reducing memory pad contact as my VRAM temps went up by 10C compared to regular thermal paste
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The accelerator cards are all passively cooled running strictly off the chassis case fans which move a lot of air but are not quiet about it. But that case is running between 1800-2200w on the accelerators at full load, it's quite the space heater.
But the 3090FE is a 360w peak stock pushing into 450w depending on the OC.
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It's shunt modded.
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3090 FTW3 had a 500w+ bios
3090Ti FTW3 already hits close to 500W (450w stock) + 6% boost available.
These rumors are always funny. NV and AMD will not lose an opportunity by naming a card which out performs their previous generation by 30% a mainstream card... They will just give it an enthusiast name eg: 4080, slap a higher price tag on it and call it a day. These companies are out to make money
The coolers on those things are huge though, triple slot coolers are already annoying, quad and extra wide aren’t something I want to be the normal…3090 FTW3 had a 500w+ bios
3090Ti FTW3 already hits close to 500W (450w stock) + 6% boost available.
These rumors are always funny. NV and AMD will not lose an opportunity by naming a card which out performs their previous generation by 30% a mainstream card... They will just give it an enthusiast name eg: 4080, slap a higher price tag on it and call it a day. These companies are out to make money
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At what point do they switch to AIO cooler for some of these...which is a whole different realm of "not mainstream" as far as graphics cards are concerned anyway.
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I'm curious what kind of real world performance increases we're looking at. The 3090 is the 4K/60 card the world was waiting for. It's even able to push that with the RT implementations most games use.
Are we looking at something that can pull 4K/120 or are they going to continue pushing RT as the end all be all? Normally I jump on whatever the latest and greatest is every 2 years. This time I'm not so sure, although I should at least be able to get some coin for my 3090 to offset some of the cost.
Are we looking at something that can pull 4K/120 or are they going to continue pushing RT as the end all be all? Normally I jump on whatever the latest and greatest is every 2 years. This time I'm not so sure, although I should at least be able to get some coin for my 3090 to offset some of the cost.
Honestly I’d say for anything with power draw greater than 450w, and next gen is as good a time to start as any. It could tie in pretty well with features on the new PSU connectors.
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Even then, will need a large rad. Aint no simple 120mm for this kinda power draw lol.
No, it's gonna be a triple, but you only need maybe a double for a CPU if you go that route as well so we are looking at a future where cases are going to need the ability to fit a pair of separate AiO at least 1 being a 360 and the other being a 240, that or they may just start putting out more offerings that are pre-fit with water blocks.
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Some people don't want massive hulking blocks hanging off their motherboard. Thank God for watercooling keeping things sensibly sized.
For work, and hobby reasons I have a fair number of addon cards in my towers, GPU for sure, but I also have an FPGA, sound card, dual SFP+, and PCIe Storage.
I am hoping mine doesn't die at the 5 year mark.
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Do you have the EVGA 5 year warranty?
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Which would make a simple tower heat pipe system quite effective (noise and performance wise), I would think with how big the gpu chips is to cool.
I feel the percentage of people that would go with a well made large like that, but silent and superb performance GPU cooling without liquid would not be zero.
Considering what tend to make the most heat in a system, the current gaming pc design is really far from optimal, even bordering on ridiculous.
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Nvidia never announced an MSRP for the 3080 12GB.
A yes, was looking at the wikipedia entry page that had a valu for the launch price without validating that it was really the case.
For sure, it's getting crazy.
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Yeah I've seen people do that before, they use the bottom of their case to prop it up when the card is installed.
I had similar results throwing a cheap AIO on a 2080super. maxes out at 51C
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N16CAKN/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s01?ie=UTF8&th=1 was $70 when i bought it.
Doesn't look very nice but it is extremely effective.
I used this to mount it: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZYHRMYP/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Looking back, I think I could have gotten by without that mounting bracket and just used the stock included with the AIO iirc.
With all stock fans the noise is negligible over CPU fans.
I will keep my 1070....I just hope I can get a laptop with better battery life, but that doesn't seem likely with the next 4000 series. Give me high performance with DLSS on low power and I will pay handsomely!
I had a Razer Blade with a 2070 MaxQ and a 9th gen i7. Great battery life. Amazing build quality.
I have an Alienware with a 2070 and an Intel i9 and the battery life is ok...but nowhere in the ballpark of an M1. That's the only reason I'm considering selling it as I'm on the go way more than I thought I would be.
In all the builds I've made, anytime I went with the high power/less efficient cpu/gpu platform I always regretted it. In laptops it kills battery life, the fans are loud, and it's uncomfortably hot. I cannot imagine what these chips are going to do in laptops. I said it before, but I don't see the point in going with something higher than midrange since 3070 and higher cards are already thermal/power throttling. You'd need a dedicated laptop cooler, placing it on a desk. May as well go with a desktop at that point.
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I’m not sure it ever was just an Ampere refresh, it takes years to design a GPU obviously they make iterative changes as they go. Especially if you are completely changing up manufacturing and processing. But seeing a few leaks and tossing your designs wouldn’t be feasible.