NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070: up to 30% faster than RTX 3090 in gaming

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NVIDIA is going the whole hog with its upcoming Ada Lovelace GPU architecture, with the new GeForce RTX 40 series cards -- even in mid-range form -- expected to offer huge performance increases over the current-gen GPUs.

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Yeah, I wish I could be excited for the "Out of Stock Nvidia 4xxx series cards" but I'll believe it when I see it. Anyway, here's to hoping we can both afford and obtain one of these. A 30% improvement seems reasonable to believe but from a mid tear 4xxx? I don't know.
 
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This seems viable, they are paying TSMC a fortune to get in on the 5nm production lines for these, they are going to be monolithic so $$$, but I expect good things from the 4060 series, I am hoping I can get a reasonable upgrade from that over my 2080TI, I am not unhappy with my 2080TI at 1440p and as I am not getting a new monitor any time soon that is still my target performance metric. I just want something that generates less heat.
 
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On a positive side, 3xxx cards may finally be affordable once the new cards drop. But really, those are some massive projected jumps in performance and TDP
 
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RussianJ said:
On a positive side, 3xxx cards may finally be affordable once the new cards drop. But really, those are some massive projected jumps in performance and TDP
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If they sell as fast as they get made, and they stop making them in May then that means they get more expensive until the 4000 series launches and the miners sell off their 3000’s To replace them with the 4’s.
 
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Anything over 250W turns my room into an oven.
I wonder how much performance is lost by undervolting a 600W card down to 250W? Guess we'll find out later this year.
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360w is generally what a stock 3080ti/3090 uses. This will be 40% faster but use nearly twice the power. If you limited it back to 360w - It would likely end being slower than a 3080ti/3090.

All this next generation seems to be is just the same crap, but with components that can tolerate more power. Remove the power, and it's likely not going to be any faster.
 
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Yeah, the power requirement is getting a little stupid. Not sure I care about an extra 40% performance if the thing needs 600 watts alone.

I'm suspecting my 3080ti will be in use for quite a while, TBH.
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I'm running my 3080 until it grinds to dust!
 
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I hadn't thought of Shuttle cases in a long time. I see they only do small form factor stuff now, custom systems and barebones stuff but not just cases only.
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I have a 3900x and a 2080ti both OC’s on a custom CLC crammed into one. I wouldn’t do it again.
 
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Lakados said:
Nah, this is where the 12VO spec shines. You can get those little bastards really dense.
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It's not so much the PSU, it's when people shove 600w GPUs (and the cooling solution strapped to that) in their cutesy cramped mini itx boxes.
 
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As a 1080P/144hz pleb, I will soon be very happy when I upgrade to 1440p/144hz and only need a 50 or 60 series card.
 
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It's not so much the PSU, it's when people shove 600w GPUs (and the cooling solution strapped to that) in their cutesy cramped mini itx boxes.
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Small boxes have nowhere for air to go, no air pockets inside or at least small ones. Good flow front to back turns them into little wind tunnels and cools them just fine. Physical space to fit components and wiring is harder to manage than heat. Do it poorly and you block the flow and turn them into mini ovens.
Blower style GPU’s are great for this reason, simple in through and out for the air.
 
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Small boxes have nowhere for air to go, no air pockets inside or at least small ones. Good flow front to back turns them into little wind tunnels and cools them just fine. Physical space to fit components and wiring is harder to manage than heat. Do it poorly and you block the flow and turn them into mini ovens.
Blower style GPU’s are great for this reason, simple in through and out for the air.
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I'm not saying its impossible to do. I'm saying the fad will die off. More often than not, people don't want a blower card. They want the cool looking vertical mounted gpu that has fans only an inch or so away from the tempered glass. Combine that with low cfm rgb fans.

Most sff/mini itx chasers don't want a wind tunnel.
 
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It sounds impressive, but I am fine with my 3090 and I plan to keep it at least 5 years. Still 600 watts is way to much IMHO. I can't even imagine how much more uncomfortable my room would be in the summer if the graphics card uses 600 watts in addition to my threadripper.
 
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I'm not saying its impossible to do. I'm saying the fad will die off. More often than not, people don't want a blower card. They want the cool looking vertical mounted gpu that has fans only an inch or so away from the tempered glass. Combine that with low cfm rgb fans.

Most sff/mini itx chasers don't want a wind tunnel.
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Yeah mines on a custom EKWB loop and never again, the price premium for a good ITX board hurts. And the maintenance is a pain and warranty support on modified cards is tricky at best. I had to RMA my 2080TI and it sucked so hard. I’ll just find a good mATX board and case next time around, not much larger in the grand scheme of things and far easier to work with.
 
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Yeah mines on a custom EKWB loop and never again, the price premium for a good ITX board hurts. And the maintenance is a pain and warranty support on modified cards is tricky at best. I had to RMA my 2080TI and it sucked so hard. I’ll just find a good mATX board and case next time around, not much larger in the grand scheme of things and far easier to work with.
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I alllllmost got sucked into trying a mini itx water loop. My brother gave me his Corsair 250d and I was like oh, this would be cool to do something with.

A couples hours later of scraping my knuckles up and I said no to that lol.
 
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Lakados said:
By the time I realized the horror of my mistake I was too deep in.
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That was me and small itx NAS boxes. I should have gone MATX, forgot about hot swap bays and been happy after one build with a Fractal Node 804 or similar. Nope, sfx psu, silverstone ds380 nightmare hot swap bays that were a hot box for the hard drives.
 
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This is one reason I haven't been able to convince myself to buy a GPU lately. Might have to take off work for launch day.
 
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Ranulfo said:
That was me and small itx NAS boxes. I should have gone MATX, forgot about hot swap bays and been happy after one build with a Fractal Node 804 or similar. Nope, sfx psu, silverstone ds380 nightmare hot swap bays that were a hot box for the hard drives.
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I use this for my hot swappable NAS at home.
https://www.startech.com/en-ca/hdd/satsasbp425

Have it in an old Bitfenix Prodigy, works like a charm.
 
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