NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition Review @ [H]

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This is not an arithmetic pissing contest. Everything doesn't have to be the same chip size, clock speed, or price in order to be valuable for comparison purposes.

Then what are we comparing? AIB Sticker Graphics?

[H] is just showing how much better the 1080 is over the last generation top end cards.The best performance that can be had today.
The 1080 performance reduces the value of the Ti and Titan greatly because a smaller die is outperforming a larger die, especially in compute.

It's a fact that the 1080 is replacing the 980. End of discussion.
 

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I do think it's possible that the consumer Pascal Titan might not be the "same" big chip that gets fed to enterprise computing, but something between. They are sliding the product stack seems every generation.
 

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The temperatures on this card are abysmal. I had hoped that being a Founder's Edition cooler plus smaller process the temperatures would be much lower. Here is hoping custom cooled cards are hitting 65 C or something.

Hey, if you turn the fan up to 100% like nvidia did, you'll get ice-cold 67c temps ;)
 

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You've read my mind. I have exactly the same situation with 3 3D monitors that I won't to keep. Right now with 3 GTX 680s I simply plugged them up to dual link DVI ports. But that won't be possible using the 1080/1070, not officially with only 2x SLI support. It should be possible using an active DP to dual link DVI adapter like this one: . We'd need three as all of the monitors in 3D Surround have be connected the same way, you can't mix and match DP and DVI. Results on these look a bit mixed. Plan on ordering three though and hoping these work. If anyone else has experience with DP to dual link DVI your input would be greatly appreciated.


As I read the article, it appears that triple or quad SLI is no longer officially supported. Something mentioned about an 'enthusiast' key you can download to get it to work. This might only affect a small percentage of people, but to me its a hefty investment (at the time) I would like to continue to use.
 

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It's not an outlier, both my Titan X's hit 1500 MHz stable but it takes a custom bios + max fan speed to do it. No Titan X or aftermarket 980 Ti owner should be giving this card any serious consideration. The one we want is big pascal or vega. Check computerbase, they did an OC vs OC comparison with 980 Ti and the gap isn't very large, I believe about 14% average so our Titan X's @1500 MHz are probably within 10-12%. It might climb back to 20-25% once aftermarket 1080s are available but again, not worth it IMO.
My Titan X hits 1467 MHz stable while gaming on the stock BIOS and ACX cooler. It could get 1449 MHz on the stock blower with a custom fan curve. I saw about 1550 MHz with a custom BIOS, but I need water cooling if I want to do that all the time. 1450-1500 MHz is definitely not a unicorn in regards to the Titan X.
The temperatures on this card are abysmal. I had hoped that being a Founder's Edition cooler plus smaller process the temperatures would be much lower. Here is hoping custom cooled cards are hitting 65 C or something.
Surface area and density. They're packing 38% more transistors onto a die that is that 22% smaller than the GTX 980, and it uses about the same amount of power.
 

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I do think it's possible that the consumer Pascal Titan might not be the "same" big chip that gets fed to enterprise computing, but something between. They are sliding the product stack seems every generation.
Rumors are that the titan/1080ti will be GP102, a revision of GP100 with FP64 ripped-out.
 

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Rumors are that the titan/1080ti will be GP102, a revision of GP100 with FP64 ripped-out.

So that's it then, they can't make them any better, so it's more like improved Maxwell II on a smaller node (16nm). Hard to believe the claim that they've spent 2.5 billion dollars in R&D for Pascal alone. Sounds more like marketing to me.
 

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Yeah, I just opened it up and checked... apparently it actually is a 6+2 connector, meaning it has the other two pins off to the side. So my system is ready, that's good to know.

That is, in fact, why I am looking at the GTX1070 - it's a drop-and-swap upgrade from any 6-pin nVidia GPU - as long as your PSU has a 6+2-pin or 8-pin feed usable on your PSU (and PSUs down to 500 watts - if not less - have those).
If you have a previous nVidia reference GPU down to Fermi (any Fermi), by the measurements, GTX1070 takes up no more space (at least a Founder's Edition won't) - can that be said of the AIB-based cooling solutions? (Extra fans, AIB-specific hardware changes, etc., cause GPU growth - the reference design is itself a dual-slot design, and thus problematical in and of itself for a lot of folks. How many EVGA ACX/ACX+ designs are two slots and a half - or even three-slot designs? I don't HAVE that amount of space to play with.)

Yes - it's conservative; that's not exactly a minus. Conservative designs are, in fact, typically quite reliable - which is a lot more than can be said of some AIB-specific designs; have or have not some ACX or even STRIX designs had reliability issues? (I'm certainly willing to trade reliability (as in more of it) for flash.) The LACK of flash is, in fact, the biggest complaint I've heard about the FE design. However, I can live with that.
 

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I'd be nearly willing to bet it's only for DX again as it has been over the last 3 generations. No OGL no nothing else, so no doom4 10 bit glory. Or else it'd work in CAD programs..


This launch really made me appreciate what AMD did with the 7970. No power limits, no gimped bullshit, just decent overclocking chips with thermal limits. Only needed volt modding if ln2/extreme chilled water etc...

Edit: to all the 'twice as fast as 980ti' people, I don't know anyone who has not also OC'd the 980tis.... which will definitely even it out. Let alone these mythical 2.1ghz cards are power limited..



Some HiFi reviewers have resorted to this. Could be a great approach to investigate for [H].. no doubt they already have though ;)

oh.. that only worked for the vanilla 7970.. they changed that with the 7970Ghz edition and the "Power Play" feature that crapped out most overclocking margins as the AIB started to cheap out in PCB components, its the same reason why most 280/280X are voltage locked and have little to non-existent OC headroom, with good cooling and high voltage 7970 was able to do 1250-1300mhz relatively easy.. ghz edition tend to top out at 1200mhz and 280X are even worse as people even have to flash to do anything over 1150mhz.. all due to "boost" (Power Play) so indeed all of those cards marketed as 7900 with boost, tend to be a worse part than the vanilla.. sad.. only thing that was good about those revisions was the updated cooler in some cases..
 

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According to Nvidia it seems like the new SLI bridge is only for the 1080.

"NVIDIA’s new SLI HB bridge doubles the available transfer bandwidth compared to the NVIDIA Maxwell™ architecture. Delivering silky-smooth gameplay, it’s the best way to experience surround gaming—and it’s only compatible with the GeForce GTX 1080."

That was taken from here: GeForce GTX 1080 Graphics Card

umm this Image from the 1070 today appears to disagree with you

Unless I'm reading "Nvidia SLI Ready - Yes - SLI HB Bridge Supported" incorrectly???


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Yes - it's conservative; that's not exactly a minus. Conservative designs are, in fact, typically quite reliable - which is a lot more than can be said of some AIB-specific designs; have or have not some ACX or even STRIX designs had reliability issues? (I'm certainly willing to trade reliability (as in more of it) for flash.) The LACK of flash is, in fact, the biggest complaint I've heard about the FE design. However, I can live with that.

Oh, I can definitely see your point here.

Some of those GPU designs are ridiculously tall, no doubt about it. The MSI 670 Power Edition I use now is a dual-slot cooler. I actually picked it because it was competitive in performance with a 680. It was like getting almost 680 performance with lower power consumption numbers and a lower price. I've had it for nearly 4 years now, apparently... not 3. I got it very close to launch. It has a lot of stuff like Super-Ferrite Chokes and solid caps, additional power filtering stages, etc. I like reliability, too. That's probably why the whole "Military Class components" thing that MSI does is such a good selling point for me. It helped that I already had an MSI GD65-Z77A with a Blue/Black color scheme, and this card matched it. My only regret is that MSI doesn't make Blue/Black cards anymore, so whatever I get this time around will probably not match my motherboard. :/ They went to red like ASUS. I don't know why. But it wasn't a bad choice... the 760Ti is essentially the same card as this, and even to this day, I think the 670 is semi-competitive with a 960. So it goes down about one tier every generation.

I do know what you mean about bad AIB designs, though... I had a PNY card melt its own fan one time, and essentially render the card unusuable within a couple of years. I don't buy from them anymore. But I think that as long as you pick the design carefully and study a lot of reviews that actually tear down the card and look at components rather than just going with the most extreme-looking card you can get... you can make a good choice.
 
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According to your article, we have to use Windows 10 with this card???? No windows 7 ????
Why is nobody fussing about this?

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For all NVIDIA GPUs we are using NVIDIA supplied drivers for GTX 1080. This is driver version 368.13.
This new driver version does come with a caveat straight from NVIDIA:
"The driver requires the Installation of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1511, also known as TH2 and Build 10586."
 

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According to your article, we have to use Windows 10 with this card???? No windows 7 ????
Why is nobody fussing about this?

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For all NVIDIA GPUs we are using NVIDIA supplied drivers for GTX 1080. This is driver version 368.13.
This new driver version does come with a caveat straight from NVIDIA:
"The driver requires the Installation of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1511, also known as TH2 and Build 10586."
I was hoping for windows XP SP2 support too but decided it was time to move on
 

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I didn't notice, personally, but I'm not concerned about it-- there's no indication NV is planning to desupport Win7 anytime soon. Those drivers were hacked together last minute. Remember Kyle said he didn't get working drivers until Weds last week.
 

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From the review page:

This new driver version does come with a caveat straight from NVIDIA:

"The driver requires the Installation of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1511, also known as TH2 and Build 10586."

You will note in the system build above we have updated Windows 10 Pro x64 to the latest build.

Do you think Nvidia will only support build 10586 and up for Pascal cards or is this just for the review drivers?

Edit: I'm asking because I'm on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB N which I got through my MSDN sub and it's based on build 10240. I have no plans to upgrade to a new/consumer build release of Windows 10.
 
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Do you think Nvidia will only supported build 10586 and up for Pascal cards or is this just for the review drivers?

Edit: I'm asking because I'm on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB N which I got through my MSDN sub and it's based on build 10240. I have no plans to upgrade to a new/consumer build release of Windows 10.

This is just for the reviews, nVidia lists the 1080 as certified for Windows 7-10, Linux and FreeBSDx86 GeForce GTX 1080 Graphics Card. But the latest version of 10 will be majority of the customer base for these so that's where they've probably done most of the work thus far why they wanted the reviews to stick to Windows 10 1511.
 

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It's much faster while also consuming less energy. What more do you want from a GPU generation?

I am fine with the performance per watt improvement that Pascal brings. In fact if a smaller manufacturing process would have been available in 2014, then Maxwell would have been launched with similar performance to Pascal.

I'll probably try to buy a pair of GTX 1080s on May 27th, that is if they'll be listed online. NewEgg and others still have piles of GTX 970/980 and 980 Ti cards that they would like to get rid of, so they will most likely keep GTX 1080 availability low.

I'm just wondering when NVIDIA will hit a wall in terms of how much they can improve their GPUs?
 

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I'll probably try to buy a pair of GTX 1080s on May 27th, that is if they'll be listed online. NewEgg and others still have piles of GTX 970/980 and 980 Ti cards that they would like to get rid of, so they will most likely keep GTX 1080 availability low.

This is my plan as well. Not sue why previous gen card inventories would have to do with the new cards. I don't see anyone wanting the latest and greatest buying last gen stuff.
 

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Not sue why previous gen card inventories would have to do with the new cards.

They don't, however, they are an issue for retailers. I'm pretty certain that they have a healthy amount of GTX 970/980/980 Ti cards in stock that they would like to get rid of without loosing money. Not sure if NVIDIA would subsidize a price drop - or how that works exactly for that matter. My point was that because retailers want to get rid of old stock they would limit availability of the GTX 1080 and 1070. Same thing happened in the past as well.

I don't see anyone wanting the latest and greatest buying last gen stuff.

No one does that, except the impatient. Unless price drops for the current 9 series cards, retailers will be stuck with them. BestBuy dropped the 980 to $499 from $549 and the 970 from $379 to $329. Yeah, good luck with that BestBuy.
 

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well... overclocking performance was obviously exaggerated by nvidia, guru3d got it to 2054 ( max boost clock, so it throttled lower sometimes) at 83c load

so much for 2100+ @ 67c lol



the dx12 implementation is slightly slower, the only reason you see positive scaling for AMD is because dx11 performance sucks ass

Not exaggerated at all, see for yourself. skip to 6:42.

 

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That this card is a replacement for the 980 non-ti it performs really well.

Why do so many people post this? No, the 1080 is a replacement for a 980Ti, in performance and price. The 780 replaced the 680. The 780Ti replaced the 780. The 980 replaced the 780Ti. And on, and on. Each release we saw the cards getting roughly 25% faster. The 1080 has roughly the same average improvement over the 980Ti, stock to stock.

The Ti versions of recent years may be an improvement (product refresh) on the non-Ti variants, but they were still a replacement for the older cards. 970/1070 are mid-range, 780Ti/980/980Ti/1080/1080Ti are all iterative releases of similar performance improvement.

The only way the 1080 directly replaces the 980 is in lower power consumption compared to Ti counterparts.
 

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Why do so many people post this? No, the 1080 is a replacement for a 980Ti, in performance and price. The 780 replaced the 680. The 780Ti replaced the 780. The 980 replaced the 780Ti. And on, and on. Each release we saw the cards getting roughly 25% faster. The 1080 has roughly the same average improvement over the 980Ti, stock to stock.

The Ti versions of recent years may be an improvement (product refresh) on the non-Ti variants, but they were still a replacement for the older cards. 970/1070 are mid-range, 780Ti/980/980Ti/1080/1080Ti are all iterative releases of similar performance improvement.

The only way the 1080 directly replaces the 980 is in lower power consumption compared to Ti counterparts.

Couple problems here.

For one you can't say 1070/970 are midrange and 1080/980 are not because they're the same GPU. GM204 and GP104 are then high end, GM200 and GP102 are the enthusiast tier. Alternatively you can call the enthusiast tier the high-end tier, and the high end tier the midrange tier. You're just changing the classification, the point is GP104 isn't intended to be the highest performing Pascal chip, whereas GM200 was
 

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They want twice the power of Titan X and the price of 970.
No they want a real upgrade from the 980ti which actually cost less... This card has ti flagship pricing but sure as hell doesn't bring that performance especially for an all-new architecture on a 75% smaller process.
 

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Why do so many people post this? No, the 1080 is a replacement for a 980Ti, in performance and price. The 780 replaced the 680. The 780Ti replaced the 780. The 980 replaced the 780Ti. And on, and on. Each release we saw the cards getting roughly 25% faster. The 1080 has roughly the same average improvement over the 980Ti, stock to stock.

The Ti versions of recent years may be an improvement (product refresh) on the non-Ti variants, but they were still a replacement for the older cards. 970/1070 are mid-range, 780Ti/980/980Ti/1080/1080Ti are all iterative releases of similar performance improvement.

The only way the 1080 directly replaces the 980 is in lower power consumption compared to Ti counterparts.


The tiers are designated by price by the IHV base cards, anything lower than 150 is low end, 150-300 midrange. 300-650 performance 650 and above enthusiast.

AIB might choose to charge more based on what features they have, like better board and cooler components but those prices don't change the tier the board is in.
 

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No they want a real upgrade from the 980ti which actually cost less... This card has ti flagship pricing but sure as hell doesn't bring that performance especially for an all-new architecture on a 75% smaller process.

Pretty sure any 1080 is going to be faster than any 980ti, including those that cost more than $700.

Furthermore, if you wanted an upgrade from a 980Ti, why are you looking at the non-TI model? Wait for the 1080Ti, or Pascal Titan. C'mon, you're expecting some massive upgrade for a card that was released less than a year ago.
 
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Pretty sure any 1080 is going to be faster than any 980ti, including those that cost more than $700.
Did you even read what I said? I said users expect a real upgrade over the 980ti for 700 bucks and they are not getting it. If you compare overclock 980ti to overclock 1080 you are only looking at about a 10 to 15% performance jump. That is a joke for 700 bucks.
 

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Did you even read what I said? I said users expect a real upgrade over the 980ti for 700 bucks and they are not getting it. If you compare overclock 980ti to overclock 1080 you are only looking at about a 10 to 15% performance jump. That is a joke for 700 bucks.

1080 is the replacement for the 980. nVidia compared it to the 980 right out the gate. They didn't sell it as an upgrade for 980ti or Titan owners. If that's what you were expecting, that's an error in your expectations, I'd say. Again, 980ti came out less than a year ago. Are most Ti-owners really itching for an upgrade after 11 months?
 
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Why do so many people post this? No, the 1080 is a replacement for a 980Ti, in performance and price. The 780 replaced the 680. The 780Ti replaced the 780. The 980 replaced the 780Ti. And on, and on. Each release we saw the cards getting roughly 25% faster. The 1080 has roughly the same average improvement over the 980Ti, stock to stock.

The Ti versions of recent years may be an improvement (product refresh) on the non-Ti variants, but they were still a replacement for the older cards. 970/1070 are mid-range, 780Ti/980/980Ti/1080/1080Ti are all iterative releases of similar performance improvement.

The only way the 1080 directly replaces the 980 is in lower power consumption compared to Ti counterparts.

Judging from the naming you'd think the 1080 ti would replace the 980ti hence why I think this replaces the 980.
 

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What I got from the video is this:
  • Shit Tier Editions with potentially lesser quality cooling and PCB: $599 aka Galax 1080
  • Middle Tier aka Founders Edition: $700
  • Custom cooling + maybe extra phases aka I'm Not a Peasant Edition: $730-$750
  • Kick ass editions aka The Whole Enchilada Edition with 2 x 8 pin, custom cooling, extra phases etc: $780-$800
That's my prediction.
There really are 4 models planed. From here:
the market expect four types of nvidia geforce gtx 1080 graphics cards

As it became known to our colleagues , in the market will be four main varieties of cards on the GP104 GPU (GeForce GTX 1080). In the first place, will be sold NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition adapters. Secondly, NVIDIA partners will present the "ordinary" GeForce GTX 1080 graphics cards with limited capacity for overclock to more simplified air cooling systems (Plain AIB Variant, Air Cooled). Thirdly, partners will offer the version GeForce GTX 1080 with a significantly modified and advanced air-cooling system and with chips to break up (Custom AIB Variants, Air Cooled). Fourth, come partners with unique graphics card liquid cooling system and excellent overclocking capability (Custom AIB Variants, Water Cooled).
 

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Where and when can we pre order this B?

You wait until May 27th, then at midnight pacific time you go to newegg.com and start hitting that refresh button like a maniac. Keep an eye on Amazon.com, NCIX and others as well. No worries, B&H is never in a rush to offer the latest GPUs.

No they want a real upgrade from the 980ti which actually cost less... This card has ti flagship pricing but sure as hell doesn't bring that performance especially for an all-new architecture on a 75% smaller process.

I got my EVGA Classified GTX 980 Ti cards clocked at 1190MHz out of the box for $500 a pop, brand new, sealed in original packaging. Not sure if it's worth paying %40 more for 15% more performance. Yes, on average the 1080 is about 15% faster in games than the 980 Ti.

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I wish NVIDIA would have made these cards available at launch, or at least a week after launch, and saved everyone the trouble to speculate.
 

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You wait until May 27th, then at midnight pacific time you go to newegg.com and start hitting that refresh button like a maniac. Keep an eye on Amazon.com, NCIX and others as well. No worries, B&H is never in a rush to offer the latest GPUs.



I got my EVGA Classified GTX 980 Ti cards clocked at 1190MHz out of the box for $500 a pop, brand new, sealed in original packaging. Not sure if it's worth paying %40 more for 15% more performance. Yes, on average the 1080 is about 15% faster in games than the 980 Ti.

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I wish NVIDIA would have made these cards available at launch, or at least a week after launch, and saved everyone the trouble to speculate.

The people who bought second hand 980Tis for cheap got the best deal out of all this madness, imo, especially if you got your hands on a high-end custom board for around $500
 
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