SPARTAN VI
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The irony, is hardware unboxed was actually pretty complimentary. Hell from the LTT video above, Nvidia actually used quotes from HUB for their DLSS marketing material.

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The irony, is hardware unboxed was actually pretty complimentary. Hell from the LTT video above, Nvidia actually used quotes from HUB for their DLSS marketing material.
Have you? Because anyone watches and has been watching them long enough can easily tell they have a bias towards AMD. Nothing wrong with having a bias. Everyone's a fanboy of something. But when you change your editorial methods to EXCLUDE something one camp can do much better than the other, what does that tell you??You haven't watched a single Hardware Unboxed review, have you?
That is not standard of journalism, modern click driving "journalism" is somewhat new, accepting a free sample from a company was not something any journalist would have ever accepted in the past, specially if it came with NDA/guideline/embargos to sign etc....Crossed a major line of journalism? This is the standard of journalism. It's a business. It isn't church, and journalism typically isn't ethical. It's mostly paid advertising. Don't let journalists tell you otherwise - their livelihood depends on it.
Propositions and bribes is a subjectives affair and will be more subtle than that (people involved will not consider it a bribe at all most of the time when making the transaction).I was a journalist. What you're saying is completely untrue, and your opinion. We had propositions and bribes thrown at us all the time. Never took them once.
Dude, just stop with your nonsense.That's not a hardware review..
Have you? Because anyone watches and has been watching them long enough can easily tell they have a bias towards AMD. Nothing wrong with having a bias. Everyone's a fanboy of something. But when you change your editorial methods to EXCLUDE something one camp can do much better than the other, what does that tell you??
I suppose RT results will be okay to toss back in HU's performance metrics once AMD catches up.
I see no one giving me a proper reason as to why ray tracing, a feature that AMD themselves wants to get in on and is going to soon enough, is being omitted from HU's future GPU reviews.
It's pretty obvious that HUB isn't the one with a hidden bias here.
HUB has talked, at length, about DLSS and RT. They were one of the first ones to make a video on DLSS progression in games, praising it when it finally got to a point where it could be praised. They've done multiple videos on ray tracing. Your own, VERY OBVIOUS, bias blinds you to anything expect what you want to see.
The reason HUB didn't focus on RT in their early 30-series coverage is because they asked their community what they should focus on first and the community, overwhelming, said they wanted rasterization. However, they still covered RT performance later. Hell, they had a RT video on the 3080 out all of two days after their 3080 review was published. I should also point out that they liked both the 3080 and 3070 (and they covered both RT and DLSS in their 3070 review).
In short: You are full of shit.
At least they are very open about being AMD fanboys (which is a plus to disclose it if you are).... looking at their video list do they ? I think I am mistaken with an other group of reviewer.....Have you? Because anyone watches and has been watching them long enough can easily tell they have a bias towards AMD. Nothing wrong with having a bias. Everyone's a fanboy of something. But when you change your editorial methods to EXCLUDE something one camp can do much better than the other, what does that tell you??
Good job side stepping my question. This is about ray tracing and HU's decision to omit it from FUTURE GPU reviews. Not about DLSS. Not about anything else. So I'll ask one more time before completely ignoring you from now on; What legitimate reason is there to omit ray tracing results from future GPU reviews when, despite it not being fully adopted by the entire industry yet, is still a valid selling point to the product?
And no the community isn't a valid reason. We're talking about the same community who decided in a poll that benchmarking Ampere with Zen 2 would be a good idea.. something even Steve himself backpedaled on after his benchmark findings resulted in lower performance when compared to other publications that used a 10900k instead.
Good job side stepping my question. This is about ray tracing and HU's decision to omit it from FUTURE GPU reviews. Not about DLSS. Not about anything else. So I'll ask one more time before completely ignoring you from now on; What legitimate reason is there to omit ray tracing results from future GPU reviews when, despite it not being fully adopted by the entire industry yet, is still a valid selling point to the product?
And no the community isn't a valid reason. We're talking about the same community who decided in a poll that benchmarking Ampere with Zen 2 would be a good idea.. something even Steve himself backpedaled on after his benchmark findings resulted in lower performance when compared to other publications that used a 10900k instead.
Ya but they failed to state the approved line, "AMD is behind, and AMD is lacking"The stupidest thing about all of this is that everyone already knows nVidia is better at RT and actually has a DLSS feature. It makes no sense to do this, especially when HWUB didn't even snub these features and in fact did separate pieces focusing on them.
I want to know too because someone has a time machine and I want to use it.and what future gpu reviews does HU not have ray tracing benchmarks? I'm really curious if u have actually seen any of HU's videos...
What the hell? That is shameful Nvidia, you know damn well that Raytracing, as cool as it is, is still a niche used only for screenshots and videos but turned off for actual gaming. At least for most people, FPS and high resolution is still king, eye candy the distant second.
Oh, I agree totally. I'm not discounting or defending their tremendously shitty business practices at all.No.
This is simply an idiotic move by a tremendously arrogant PR department. You don't set the barn on fire because the house is burning down.
Have you? Because anyone watches and has been watching them long enough can easily tell they have a bias towards AMD. Nothing wrong with having a bias. Everyone's a fanboy of something. But when you change your editorial methods to EXCLUDE something one camp can do much better than the other, what does that tell you??
I suppose RT results will be okay to toss back in HU's performance metrics once AMD catches up.
I see no one giving me a proper reason as to why ray tracing, a feature that AMD themselves wants to get in on and is going to soon enough, is being omitted from HU's future GPU reviews.
Hardware Unboxed should continue to work with our add-in card partners to secure GPUs to review. Of course you will still have access to obtain pre-release drivers and press materials, that won't change. We are open to revisiting this in the future should your editorial direction change.
Brian Del Rizzo
Director of Global PR, GeForce
Have you? Because anyone watches and has been watching them long enough can easily tell they have a bias towards AMD. Nothing wrong with having a bias. Everyone's a fanboy of something. But when you change your editorial methods to EXCLUDE something one camp can do much better than the other, what does that tell you??
I suppose RT results will be okay to toss back in HU's performance metrics once AMD catches up.
I see no one giving me a proper reason as to why ray tracing, a feature that AMD themselves wants to get in on and is going to soon enough, is being omitted from HU's future GPU reviews.
Have you? Because anyone watches and has been watching them long enough can easily tell they have a bias towards AMD. Nothing wrong with having a bias. Everyone's a fanboy of something. But when you change your editorial methods to EXCLUDE something one camp can do much better than the other, what does that tell you??
I suppose RT results will be okay to toss back in HU's performance metrics once AMD catches up.
I see no one giving me a proper reason as to why ray tracing, a feature that AMD themselves wants to get in on and is going to soon enough, is being omitted from HU's future GPU reviews.
Please provide a link that proves your claims, since HU said they won't be putting too much emphasis on RT until it improves in performance, not that they won't be covering it at all.Good job side stepping my question. This is about ray tracing and HU's decision to omit it from FUTURE GPU reviews. Not about DLSS. Not about anything else. So I'll ask one more time before completely ignoring you from now on; What legitimate reason is there to omit ray tracing results from future GPU reviews when, despite it not being fully adopted by the entire industry yet, is still a valid selling point to the product?
And this is the problem I have with people thinking that RT should be front and center. Reviewers still test Direct X 11 for Christ's sake. There's easily over 100 games that support Direct X12. Yet we should give more weight to RT with 25 games? That's insane and doesn't make ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER.Maybe the grand total of 23 games in the last two years that have RT. It's the same with DLSS, up to 25 games after 2 years. Rasterization is far more of a concern to gamers today, and seemingly for the next few years at least.
Which of these titles should we be focusing on in reviews?
Linus pointed out one of the biggest problems now for reviewers: anything anyone says positively about Nvidia products will now be subject to accusations of coercion or corruption. Short of Rtings or Consumer Reports purchasing stuff for review, everyone will be accused of being on Nvidia’s payroll, or under their boot.
My mother always did say to fear the devil you don't know instead of the devil you do.How do you know which one is more evil? Maybe Nvidia is more reckless than the others with their shitty antics that end up being exposed. AMD and Intel also have their dirty histories and we do not know what truly goes on behind the scenes in any of these companies. You can't trust any of them.
Wait, is there any other version of Nvidia than Shameful Nvidia?![]()
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1337885741389471745Honestly, we have been in the situation of having just one GPU company with cards that are good enough for enthusiasts for so many years that I sometimes forget what kind of company we are actually dealing with. Hell if it wasn't for this thread I would not have remembered the GPP fiasco either.![]()
Dang...https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1337885741389471745
Hardware Unboxed
@HardwareUnboxed
BIG NEWS I just received an email from Nvidia apologizing for the previous email & they've now walked everything back. This thing has been a roller coaster ride over the past few days. I’d like to thank everyone who supported us, obviously a huge thank you to
@linusgsebastian
I am glad it got reversed, I am disappointed it always takes a large enough public shaming to do so.https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1337885741389471745
Hardware Unboxed
@HardwareUnboxed
BIG NEWS I just received an email from Nvidia apologizing for the previous email & they've now walked everything back. This thing has been a roller coaster ride over the past few days. I’d like to thank everyone who supported us, obviously a huge thank you to
@linusgsebastian
As others have said, GPP was way worse and is all but forgotten by now.Glad they caught the headless chicken, but washing this off won't be as easy.
Most people forgot about GPP a few months after it happened. This is much smaller than that fiasco. I imagine most people won’t recall it in a few weeks.Glad they caught the headless chicken, but washing this off won't be as easy.
wait? since when? I watch them all the time and I'm finding this AMD bias.
Since never, that's why. HUB was one of the more critical outlets and relatively comprehensive in their coverage of Navi driver/launch issues. A fanboy channel would have side stepped or downplayed the issue entirely. I don't buy it one bit that they're AMD shills..
I'm not so sure. The youtube PC enthusiast channels have grown a lot since GPP. And seem far more relevant to general customers and internet surfers, than they were around GPP times. Maybe even relatively more relevant now, than sites like [H], Techpowerup, etc.As others have said, GPP was way worse and is all but forgotten by now.
I’m not sure that you can draw a definitive correlation between GPP and the way reviews are tailored now. There are far too many other variables to factor in.I'm not so sure. The youtube PC enthusiast channels have grown a lot since GPP. And seem far more relevant to general customers and internet surfers, than they were around GPP times. Maybe even relatively more relevant now, than sites like [H], Techpowerup, etc.
Also, this year has caused a ton more focus on PC gaming and tech, than I've rarely ever seen.
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1337885741389471745
Hardware Unboxed
@HardwareUnboxed
BIG NEWS I just received an email from Nvidia apologizing for the previous email & they've now walked everything back. This thing has been a roller coaster ride over the past few days. I’d like to thank everyone who supported us, obviously a huge thank you to
@linusgsebastian
Biden has a photographic history of touching and seemingly smelling hair of women and children.what's going on there? ^ DPI