No Booting To Desktop In Windows 8?

NKDietrich

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Clearly you don't use computers much since you only boot twice a month. Thus your opinion is worthless.

Haha, I know right? Shutting your computer off every time you walk away is the way the pros do it.
 

ICOM

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I was contemplating adding some wisecrack remark about W8...then I remembered that I have W7. It's a keeper.

:cool:
 

Master_of_Sparks

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I'm going to get a kick out of this thread in a year when I come back to it to see how silly everyone looks for not wanting to get rid of the garbage start button.

I'm not really that attached to the Start button, I only use it for search. The real problem is that the Metro Start menu is fucking awful and has no place on a desktop. I can get past it for the other improvements Windows 8 will offer.
 

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Clearly you don't use computers much since you only boot twice a month. Thus your opinion is worthless.

I'm guessing you don't understand the idea of standby or hibernate modes, huh? You must not use a computer which makes your opinion worthless. :rolleyes:
 

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Since Steve job's demise, the illuminati have been hard at work bring you the Orwellian future that
Steve warned us about... Obama's cybersecurity is the first step and windows 8 start menu is the last :rolleyes:
 

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I'll be the first to admit that Microsoft is pushing the UI formally known as Metro and part of that reason is to promote apps and the Windows Store and I do understand the fear in Microsoft using a walled garden app store model for its latest and greatest creation. Its obviously not as open as the anything goes world of the desktop. That said, I really don't see any motive for Microsoft to kill the desktop, the Windows desktop is simply to powerful and capable and an enormous asset to Microsoft and I don't see any benefit to Microsoft to close it down and to make everything a Metro app, there's really nothing practical and in for Microsoft. I see the desktop and the sandbox model existing on Windows side by side for decades to come as both have their strengths and weaknesses and one doesn't replace the other. But again, I do understand the concern about the desktop going away, I just don't see how that's possible or how it would benefit Microsoft as clearly there's always going to be open desktop models like Linux and OS X and I don't see Microsoft just walking away from desktop space. While it's not growing it's still a huge market and critical to computing particularly in the productive world.

But in addition to these valid fears, some people are making a stuff up. Who really goes to the desktop? Most people just launch their apps from the task bar or Start Menu and go on their way. One can put whatever tiles they want on their Start Screens, remove the Store even you want and just put your programs titles on it. You don't have to explicitly go to the desktop, just click on your web browser or whatever and be about your business. If it's a desktop program, you go to the desktop anyway.
 
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I remember when I was younger I used to love to dick around with windows UI replacements such as this http://www.litestep.net/. This was my favorite theme http://customize.org/litestep/themes/39081

I wonder if something like this will see a resurgence.

I remember using BB4Win for a while years ago. It was just too buggy for a daily driver but I liked the concept behind that interface. Apparently they're still around and updating so I might just have to try it again.
 

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...the UI formally known as Metro...

I tried very, very hard not to get a case of the shinies when I read that, but I couldn't stop it! I started thinking about Prince and just...well I don't know, the rational rest of your post was just a jumble of letters that I'm sure could me used to spell Prince a few times.
 

heatlesssun

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I tried very, very hard not to get a case of the shinies when I read that, but I couldn't stop it! I started thinking about Prince and just...well I don't know, the rational rest of your post was just a jumble of letters that I'm sure could me used to spell Prince a few times.

Yeah, and it should have been "formerly".:eek:
 

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Don't really care too much about this. I boot my computer like once a month.

TWO KEYPRESSES A MONTH! MY GOD! Alert the President.

I boot my computer multiple times per day.

Not saying it's bad what you're doing, but most people do not leave their computers on 24/7
 

pelo

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But in addition to these valid fears, some people are making a stuff up. Who really goes to the desktop? Most people just launch their apps from the task bar or Start Menu and go on their way. One can put whatever tiles they want on their Start Screens, remove the Store even you want and just put your programs titles on it. You don't have to explicitly go to the desktop, just click on your web browser or whatever and be about your business. If it's a desktop program, you go to the desktop anyway.

This brings up compatibility issues between Metro and the desktop. Different applications behave differently depending on which version you launched. This isn't the point though...

Starting with Metro as the start screen isn't that big a deal but considering they first removed Aero, made Metro default and forced it as the start menu replacement, reduced the GUI goodies and "swipe to enter" all say very clearly that Microsoft is moving away from the desktop. How many business users are going to bother with win8? The IT departments will have an absolute headache trying to get users accustomed to the way the new OS operates. Hell, XFCE is a more windows-like desktop GUI than is the new win8 Metro + desktop model.
 

mope54

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I boot my computer multiple times per day.

Not saying it's bad what you're doing, but most people do not leave their computers on 24/7
I don't know what most people do but it has been known for a very long time now among people like you and me that turning a computer on and off a bunch of times is extremely taxing on system components. The only time I turn my computer off and on is when I get a new piece of gear and need to do a bunch of OC runs. It surprised me how many people are giving others guff in this thread over leaving their computers on.
 

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I don't know what most people do but it has been known for a very long time now among people like you and me that turning a computer on and off a bunch of times is extremely taxing on system components.
Perhaps it is, but how much damage does that "taxing" really do? I can't think of a time when a component on my computer just up and went *kaput* (5 year old LCD monitor was the last thing). I'm upgrading to newer components well before my stuff is ready to die due to "excessive" on/off cycles... and I tend to hang onto old technology for a lot longer than the average [H] user ;)
 

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Perhaps it is, but how much damage does that "taxing" really do? I can't think of a time when a component on my computer just up and went *kaput* (5 year old LCD monitor was the last thing). I'm upgrading to newer components well before my stuff is ready to die due to "excessive" on/off cycles... and I tend to hang onto old technology for a lot longer than the average [H] user ;)
I rarely have component failures as well and I also turn my PC off and on multiple times a day. I want to save electricity. So sue me.

And this whole discussion came about because someone said they didn't turn their computer off, so who cares about this "feature." Nobody is giving anyone crap about how they manage their PC, they are just saying that some folks do care.
 

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Starting with Metro as the start screen isn't that big a deal but considering they first removed Aero, made Metro default and forced it as the start menu replacement, reduced the GUI goodies and "swipe to enter" all say very clearly that Microsoft is moving away from the desktop. How many business users are going to bother with win8? The IT departments will have an absolute headache trying to get users accustomed to the way the new OS operates. Hell, XFCE is a more windows-like desktop GUI than is the new win8 Metro + desktop model.

The only thing that was removed from the desktop was Aero which most people won't even care about especially if it means better batter life on their laptops and tablets and desktop gadgets, which is a bit of a bummer but again they are a big of a resource hog. Windows has long been accused of being bloated and I think what Microsoft did remove is an overall plus for speed and power efficiency.

Regardless of how Windows 8 turned out, businesses were never going to deploy it in large numbers considering that so many are in the middle of doing Windows 7 deployments. Windows 8 will come into the enterprise like iPads have, where people are looking for tablet solutions and Windows 8/RT does offer some big advantages to those looking to deploy tablets alongside existing Windows infrastructure.
 

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Not really seeing the issue here. First thing you generally do with an OS after booting it up is launch a program... so shouldn't it start directly to the program launcher?

Seems like an OS doing exactly what an OS is supposed to do...
 

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I rarely have component failures as well and I also turn my PC off and on multiple times a day. I want to save electricity. So sue me.

And this whole discussion came about because someone said they didn't turn their computer off, so who cares about this "feature." Nobody is giving anyone crap about how they manage their PC, they are just saying that some folks do care.

Still, there's little reason to recycle a Windows 8 machine for most people, when most power down it'll be the new hibernation off state.
 

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The only thing that was removed from the desktop was Aero which most people won't even care about especially if it means better batter life on their laptops and tablets and desktop gadgets, which is a bit of a bummer but again they are a big of a resource hog. Windows has long been accused of being bloated and I think what Microsoft did remove is an overall plus for speed and power efficiency.

Regardless of how Windows 8 turned out, businesses were never going to deploy it in large numbers considering that so many are in the middle of doing Windows 7 deployments. Windows 8 will come into the enterprise like iPads have, where people are looking for tablet solutions and Windows 8/RT does offer some big advantages to those looking to deploy tablets alongside existing Windows infrastructure.

Yes please! I'll have more of this bloat removal stuff. Honestly, I don't care what the user interface looks like as long as I can learn it quickly and the operating system doesn't take 1.21 jiggawatts of instructions per second and 9 thousands of gigamegs of memory to run.

The stuff that has me all excited is the using of less memory and the better management of it along with other stuff to make Windows 8 more better-er on the same hardware. Any Microsoft taking steps in that direction is welcome to do what they want to the UI.
 

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Still, there's little reason to recycle a Windows 8 machine for most people, when most power down it'll be the new hibernation off state.
I actually unplug my power strip when I'm not home, so Windows can do whatever it wants, it'll still be turning off in my case. ;)
 

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Not really seeing the issue here. First thing you generally do with an OS after booting it up is launch a program... so shouldn't it start directly to the program launcher?

Seems like an OS doing exactly what an OS is supposed to do...

Part of Windows 8's problem is that old habits die hard. Some people look at this going to the Start Screen as somehow being forced into something when the truth of the matter is no one really goes to the desktop, people want to run important programs or see information when they start their computers. Being presented important programs and information when one starts a computer makes perfect sense even on a PC.
 

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Don't really care too much about this. I boot my computer like once a month.

TWO KEYPRESSES A MONTH! MY GOD! Alert the President.

the way some people cry about it, you may have to!

it is amazing the stir people make by have to click once to get to the desktop again...

we have become lazy!
 

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Part of Windows 8's problem is that old habits die hard. Some people look at this going to the Start Screen as somehow being forced into something when the truth of the matter is no one really goes to the desktop, people want to run important programs or see information when they start their computers. Being presented important programs and information when one starts a computer makes perfect sense even on a PC.
I just think it's fugly. I suspect before launch or shortly thereafter a third party app will address customizability if MS doesn't
 

heatlesssun

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I just think it's fugly. I suspect before launch or shortly thereafter a third party app will address customizability if MS doesn't

I'm sure there'll be all sorts of add-ins and hacks but more people won't care or even notice at least in time.
 

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I just think it's fugly. I suspect before launch or shortly thereafter a third party app will address customizability if MS doesn't

Training wheels until the little ones figure out how to ride their new bicycle...which we won't be able to pry from their cold, dead hands.
 

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Part of Windows 8's problem is that old habits die hard. Some people look at this going to the Start Screen as somehow being forced into something when the truth of the matter is no one really goes to the desktop, people want to run important programs or see information when they start their computers. Being presented important programs and information when one starts a computer makes perfect sense even on a PC.

How fortunate that you know how I use my PC better than I do.

This is the primary issue I take with Windows 8 and it's supporters, the "we know better than you do" approach.
 

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How fortunate that you know how I use my PC better than I do.

This is the primary issue I take with Windows 8 and it's supporters, the "we know better than you do" approach.

I have no idea how you use your PC but I think it is a reasonable assumption that everyone's primary purpose is to run programs on it.
 

lchan

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if that is the case, then i will prepare migration to linux slowly. trying to force business users, especially desktop and laptop users to stupid tile design meant for tablets.
 

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Does anyone else wish that Gates would ride in, besiege the castle, scale the walls, and mount Ballmer's head on a pike?

Anyone?
 

bboy

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Not concerned as I vote with my wallet and I vote....NO to Windows 8. Never will I use that OS.
 

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On the bright side:
-its fast
-the task bars on each LCD was cool (takes some getting used to)
-Hyper-v in the client OS was nice
-Skydrive integration was done well
-@live/Outlook integration also good (you all got 25gb free and @outlook right????)
-Every App I tried at work ran, even SAP (cant saw than about Windows 7 when it came out)
-Metro styling, I like it but im a WP user, its more than just the "tiles"
-Viewing picture/media in metro is slick


I agree with someone on page 3 or 4, most users don't use the "desktop" and once the average joe or jane finds what they want in metro who cares. Wait until the metro apps like facebook get good. They will love it. The start menu is from Win 95, there not forcing the change, on the contrary they held on to legacy for a long time
 
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