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I seriously doubt they will roll in WoW sub with ultimate. Maybe a price break on the sub. WoW sub alone is as much as Xbox ultimate.

Too concrete in the thinking. Microsoft wants to boost Gamepass sub numbers. What better way than to just combine them.

I have to wonder a couple of things:

A) How bad is WoW doing right now? There are A LOT of dead servers, I don't think the numbers are great.
B) Would it be better to ditch the WoW sub for XBL and get more eyes on the in-game shop.

Interesting times for sure. My money is on MS buying EA at some point.
 

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Anyone that sees companies as good/evil is brainwashed.

There are no good corporations once your bigger than mom/pop shops, that is 10x so for megacorporations like Microsoft and Apple.
Certainly none that's squeaky clean. It's always funny to watch people demonize Apple or Microsoft and promptly run into the arms of a company that's arguably worse, like Google, Lenovo or Samsung. Like some folks bought Google's 2010 "Android is the open alternative to the eeeeeevil Apple" sales pitch hook, line and sinker, and never stopped to question it in the decade since.
 

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This, it is not just having so many of them and the big and heavy Rockstar launcher starting when you launch from steam (a superb platform to push update, cloud save, etc... if you want them) and just want to play the single player version is hurting the PC experience versus the console one.

People are now using third party app to have a single game launcher for like 8 different store with their own platform, if Microsoft buy enough studio and get their store together, maybe they can become big enough for a single store to be enough but I doubt it.
That would be a horrible idea. I'm not interested an an Amazon-like service for video games.
 

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I have to wonder a couple of things:

A) How bad is WoW doing right now? There are A LOT of dead servers, I don't think the numbers are great.
B) Would it be better to ditch the WoW sub for XBL and get more eyes on the in-game shop.

Interesting times for sure. My money is on MS buying EA at some point.
Last I saw they were sub 2 million subs I believe. It be funny if FFXI ended up out living the so called juggernaut of MMOs.
 
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Last I saw they were sub 2 million subs I believe. It be funny if FFXI ended up out living the so called juggernaut of MMOs.
I know there's always been doom-saying about WoW, but when my wife and I were last on the game was in really hard shape. We moved on like everyone else has, just her and I with our daughters are seven subs they lost. There was an absolute tide of people leaving not long after we did, making me assume things got worse.
 

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It's highly doubtful Nintendo would ever sell for any amount of money unless they were basically failing and had to sell off the IP as parachutes for key investors in Japan. Nintendo is dominated by old school Japanese money, they'd never let it get owned by anyone else while they're successful.

Honestly, I wouldn't want them to ever get bought either. Nintendo is the only one left making a gaming system that has quality AAA titles that come on a physical media, and it doesn't require internet access to get running.
I would bet that MS has tried to buy Sega, even though Sega was originally an American company, I doubt they would ever sell to Microsoft.
 

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Certainly none that's squeaky clean. It's always funny to watch people demonize Apple or Microsoft and promptly run into the arms of a company that's arguably worse, like Google, Lenovo or Samsung. Like some folks bought Google's 2010 "Android is the open alternative to the eeeeeevil Apple" sales pitch hook, line and sinker, and never stopped to question it in the decade since.
But what about! Apple is among the worst offenders, but go ahead and miss when I said all megacorporations. There is no need to pretend do no evil google is not evil, or amazon work till you drop while I ride a dickship into low orbit, or samnsung lets have some insights.

Always interesting to see who runs to the defense of xyz company though.
 

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I have to wonder a couple of things:

A) How bad is WoW doing right now? There are A LOT of dead servers, I don't think the numbers are great.
ehhhh, definitely not what it used to be. Only reason its alive is because that entire genre is washed out with copy cats or companies looking for a quick cash grab (read New World). I'm trying to play, but I'm so freaking burnt out on it, it won't be long until I ditch the sub.
 

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Last I saw they were sub 2 million subs I believe. It be funny if FFXI ended up out living the so called juggernaut of MMOs.
FFXI actually grew to 1.21 million subscribers last month while FFXIV is having ongoing issues. They were holding steady at right around 1 million before then.
 

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FFXI actually grew to 1.21 million subscribers last month while FFXIV is having ongoing issues. They were holding steady at right around 1 million before then.
Granted most those subs are own by 10 people with a bunch of alt for multi-boxing lol. When went back to it a couple years ago the LS was filled with alts. I was surprised to see so many people I played with 12 years ago only to find out they don't play anymore and gave their character to friends. Still was a lot of people playing I knew. I get the itch to play it but I just don't got the energy and time to commit to it like I did in my 20s.
 

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That would be a horrible idea. I'm not interested an an Amazon-like service for video games.
Yes both scenario are terrible, having 10 different launcher store or Microsoft achieving to put them all on their banner.

The only "good" scenario, is store becoming better, having a common api and a good third party to manage them, but one of the very goal of having your own store is having has often has you can the customer activelly inside it, exposed to promos and other way to moneytise it and that goes directly against the experience to ever be a good one.
 

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Granted most those subs are own by 10 people with a bunch of alt for multi-boxing lol. When went back to it a couple years ago the LS was filled with alts. I was surprised to see so many people I played with 12 years ago only to find out they don't play anymore and gave their character to friends. Still was a lot of people playing I knew. I get the itch to play it but I just don't got the energy and time to commit to it like I did in my 20s.
While true, I don't think that completely explains the 20% jump in subscribers in such a short amount of time.
 

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While true, I don't think that completely explains the 20% jump in subscribers in such a short amount of time.
I know FFXI was a lot of the OG players first MMO. There was a huge exodus when WoW came out. I am sure a bunch of people went back to FFXI instead of FFXIV with the mass exodus of WoW going on.
 
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That would be a horrible idea. I'm not interested an an Amazon-like service for video games.

That is where everything is going and there is nothing we can do it about it. The future of gaming is gaming as a service. You will rent devices on a cloud system and those devices will determine framerate, details, resolution, settings, and what games are on there. Priced accordingly. When you play games these are going to either be transaction based or leased.

Everyone has known this was the endpoint for some time. There is no use grumbling about it now.
 

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That is where everything is going and there is nothing we can do it about it. The future of gaming is gaming as a service. You will rent devices on a cloud system and those devices will determine framerate, details, resolution, settings, and what games are on there. Priced accordingly. When you play games these are going to either be transaction based or leased.

Everyone has known this was the endpoint for some time. There is no use grumbling about it now.
I think having your own host with your own games will still exist, but because of the way everything is going with pricing only the well off will be able to afford it. The masses are going to have to use a streaming service.
 
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I'll grumbled about whatever I damn well want to, and so can anyone else.

The day I have to rent everything just to play a game, is the day I stop gaming.

Grumbling wont change anything and you'll be quitting in the next decade then.
Or, at least, start exploring my massive existing back-catalog of existing titles. :)
You don't own those either. If Valve goes cloud all that's gone.
 

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That is where everything is going and there is nothing we can do it about it. The future of gaming is gaming as a service. You will rent devices on a cloud system and those devices will determine framerate, details, resolution, settings, and what games are on there. Priced accordingly. When you play games these are going to either be transaction based or leased.

Everyone has known this was the endpoint for some time. There is no use grumbling about it now.
Man, who shit in your Cheerios this morning to create this image in your head? XD

Anything ever like that happens, I'm done. Fire up ye'ole NES and replay Battletoads again.
 

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Grumbling wont change anything and you'll be quitting in the next decade then.

You don't own those either. If Valve goes cloud all that's gone.

Oh, but I do. GoG my good Sir, GoG. If it's not on GoG I probably don't want it and at 750+ games purchased there my GoG collection now handily exceeds the size of my Steam collection.
 

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That is where everything is going and there is nothing we can do it about it. The future of gaming is gaming as a service. You will rent devices on a cloud system and those devices will determine framerate, details, resolution, settings, and what games are on there. Priced accordingly. When you play games these are going to either be transaction based or leased.

Everyone has known this was the endpoint for some time. There is no use grumbling about it now.
Is it though, don't people on Game Pass as well as PSNow just download the games locally they want to play? If anything, it's moved further away from cloud.
 

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Grumbling wont change anything and you'll be quitting in the next decade then.

You don't own those either. If Valve goes cloud all that's gone.

You really don't know much, and thats ok.

If all new games go rental only (and new hardware) I'll still have a lifetime supply of games to scratch that itch, and more money to spend on everything else.
 

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But what about! Apple is among the worst offenders, but go ahead and miss when I said all megacorporations. There is no need to pretend do no evil google is not evil, or amazon work till you drop while I ride a dickship into low orbit, or samnsung lets have some insights.

Always interesting to see who runs to the defense of xyz company though.
I'm certainly not defending Apple; its App Store policies are restrictive, its labor practices still need improvement, and it isn't as vigilant about security as it should be, among other issues. But it's funny to watch people lambaste Apple while cheering for a chaebol so corrupt it bribed politicians to let its CEO out of prison so he could secure the winter Olympics. It's certainly good to offer serious, pointed criticism of companies; but "they're all equally bad" is dismissive hand-waving meant to avoid rethinking one's own choices.
 

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I'm certainly not defending Apple; its App Store policies are restrictive, its labor practices still need improvement, and it isn't as vigilant about security as it should be, among other issues. But it's funny to watch people lambaste Apple while cheering for a chaebol so corrupt it bribed politicians to let its CEO out of prison so he could secure the winter Olympics. It's certainly good to offer serious, pointed criticism of companies; but "they're all equally bad" is dismissive hand-waving meant to avoid rethinking one's own choices.
Says the guy defending apple, a company with their budget isn't fixing anything but just paying lipservice so their fans can feel better about themselves. Their skullduggery goes further than your willing to admit, also the security part is laughable since they extra-judicially raid people they suspect of breaching their secrecy.

I don't hold any of them on a pedastal like you do.
 

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That is where everything is going and there is nothing we can do it about it. The future of gaming is gaming as a service. You will rent devices on a cloud system and those devices will determine framerate, details, resolution, settings, and what games are on there. Priced accordingly. When you play games these are going to either be transaction based or leased.

Everyone has known this was the endpoint for some time. There is no use grumbling about it now.
Maybe obviously, but it could take a certain time because it will go against a different force of low lag and no compressed image signal of local hardware and on local hardware you can still have the gamepass/PSNow monthly fee, but the local user paying for the hardware and electricity.

The cloud vs local not so sure how it's play out.
 

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Maybe obviously, but it could take a certain time because it will go against a different force of low lag and no compressed image signal of local hardware and on local hardware you can still have the gamepass/PSNow monthly fee, but the local user paying for the hardware and electricity.

The cloud vs local not so sure how it's play out.
It isn't obvious, its the new doom and gloom of the pc industry. What soar doesn't understand is that there will always been money, market, and desire to provide an ownership experience.

We are seeing direct evidence of this today with increasing prices and yet people are still buying.

Will they capture additional markets by creating a netflix combined with nvidia's geforce now like enviroment, sure, but there is an entire sizable group that will seek to buy, and thus a market will sell to them.
 

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Holy shitballs Batman!

This whole thing is nutsballs and crazy.

But Microsoft said they wanted to see Activision Blizzard change their ways, and Nadella is big on that whole, be the change you want to see stuff so, I guess he really wanted to see Activision Blizzard change their ways.
 

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It isn't obvious, its the new doom and gloom of the pc industry. What soar doesn't understand is that there will always been money, market, and desire to provide an ownership experience.

We are seeing direct evidence of this today with increasing prices and yet people are still buying.

Will they capture additional markets by creating a netflix combined with nvidia's geforce now like enviroment, sure, but there is an entire sizable group that will seek to buy, and thus a market will sell to them.
There is no end in sight to our current inflation issues, and I believe we'll see high-end GPU's reaching prices we used to see of computers 30-40 years ago. I think a high-end GPU will easily be $10k, and that's not including anything else on a system.
 

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69 Billion. For that money everything activation is going exclusive. Shareholders would accept nothing less.
I don't know, share holders care about profit from a year to year basis. They arent interested in long term dominance by putting competitors out of business. Besides selling consoles themselves arent really making them much money, but selling copies to every console will make money
 

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What soar doesn't understand is that there will always been money, market, and desire to provide an ownership experience.
That will always exist, but it could become extremely niche (think music or tv series, movies, etc...).

The ownership experience tend to thrive has long has it is a different one, which is still the case for games and my point it could continue to be for a long time, the minute a gaming streaming service deliver the exact same gameplay quality, I do not imagine the ownership experience continue.

If I would read, I would guess that I own very few of my games, not just I would have an hard time selling them but they can disappear from the cloud service like a song on Itunes at anytime, the added convenience tromped ownership for me and almost everyone and if streaming is one day more convenient (the waiting line for the new console make that extremely likely and easy) with a close experience, it will dominate, it is not like we own that much game now anyway..

It will take just much more time before the game experience match up, data size made music was the easiest, book/movies more of a challenge but for the movies/tv it is pretty much 100% done and games could be next.
 
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I don't know, share holders care about profit from a year to year basis. They arent interested in long term dominance by putting competitors out of business. Besides selling consoles themselves arent really making them much money, but selling copies to every console will make money

I know that an over simplication on purpose but even in that regard that seem pushed it, look how much share holders and stock market valued making no profits for decades to build market share and putting competition out of business (Amazon, Netflix and co.)
 

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I don't know, share holders care about profit from a year to year basis. They arent interested in long term dominance by putting competitors out of business. Besides selling consoles themselves arent really making them much money, but selling copies to every console will make money
Yeah, somehow I don't see Microsoft trying to make Candy Crush an Xbox exclusive any time soon, and AB doesn't really have anything that could suddenly triple their console sales, what this deal does is get Microsoft a huge talent pool, and a shatload of IP to play with.

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How long until O365 can get me a zurgling-clippy as an office assistant? I mean if I have to upgrade from an A5 to something else I will sure as shit do that.
 

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There is no end in sight to our current inflation issues, and I believe we'll see high-end GPU's reaching prices we used to see of computers 30-40 years ago. I think a high-end GPU will easily be $10k, and that's not including anything else on a system.

Yes, but at what point is high end also largely useless outside of specific use cases?

8K TV's are a joke (old man me if you want) but 4K with full IQ settings is still a HEDT only realm, consoles will be stuck with checker boarding till the next gen.

A 3090/6090xt is largely overkill for current gaming. At some point this chase of higher resolution will settle down (diminishing returns). You'll never need a 10k GPU to drive 4k or 1440p, plus the entire market has been disrupted by crypto turning the hardware into a money printer, that will die either with LHR products and segmentation, crypto moving away from GPU mining, or crypto dying entirely.
 

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I'm sure a lot of people are hoping for Microsoft to fix Activision/Blizzard's mess that they've gotten themselves into but this is the same company that bought Minecraft and people hoped that Microsoft wouldn't ruin it. While Minecraft isn't ruined it isn't too far off from the predictions that people made several years ago what the game will be like under Microsoft. Doesn't sound like they're removing Bobby Kotick either it seems, which should be the first thing Microsoft should do.

 

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I don't know, share holders care about profit from a year to year basis. They arent interested in long term dominance by putting competitors out of business. Besides selling consoles themselves arent really making them much money, but selling copies to every console will make money
Microsoft is about Xbox... this won't close for a year. So sure the next Call of Duty will be on all platforms, with a small chance of a timed exclusive. After this closes lol ya games like Call of Duty are going to be PC/Xbox exclusives. No way MS doesn't treat every Activision franchise as a Xbox title going forward from the sale close.
You could argue that any game released as an exclusive could sell more copies if it wasn't... yet they both have their stable of exclusives.
 

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I'm sure a lot of people are hoping for Microsoft to fix Activision/Blizzard's mess that they've gotten themselves into but this is the same company that bought Minecraft and people hoped that Microsoft wouldn't ruin it. While Minecraft isn't ruined it isn't too far off from the predictions that people made several years ago what the game will be like under Microsoft. Doesn't sound like they're removing Bobby Kotick either it seems, which should be the first thing Microsoft should do.


WSJ sources said Kotick would leave once the deal closed. Sounds like it's a golden parachute, or just a way for Kotick to save face by making one last big move on his way out.
 
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