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Correct, the advantage of OLED is that individual pixels can be completely black.Uh, if that were the case, we would have more monitors with gloss coatings.
'most' of the advantages are that every pixel is its own lightsource and can independantly dim itself to a very low level. resulting in blacks which are nearly as black as possible. And yes, the response times for OLED are pretty incredible.
Yes, please. Hopefully soon.Ok but when can I buy it? I need it right now. Immediately if not sooner.
I garuntee you that an OLED with a typical monitor's anti-reflective coating---will look better than any IPS or VA panel monitor.Correct, the advantage of OLED is that individual pixels can be completely black.
AG coatings blur the image and cause light leaking which turns those blacks into greys unless you are in a perfectly dark room, which would make the AG coating useless.
Go look at those Alienware OLED reviews as in a bright room it looks pretty darn gray.I garuntee you that an OLED with a typical monitor's anti-reflective coating---will look better than any IPS or VA panel monitor.
Its known that anti-glare coatings don't look as punchy as gloss.Go look at those Alienware OLED reviews as in a bright room it looks pretty darn gray.
I have my LG plasma from 2011? Maybe 2012, it’s been the primary living room TV since then and it’s still great. Only 1080p and weighs more than I do but looks and works great.Yea and how many people actually experienced burn in on a crt or traditional lcd? Can it happen? Sure but I never seen it. Outside Plasma, rear projection and OLED TVs burn in was never a concern for people.
Not in a very bright room. Again go look at the reviews as it is very gray in those conditions and with a lot of direct light reflections can look as bad as an IPS or worse. The issue mentioned in all the reviews is that it did not have a polarization layer. Now turning down the lights and /or simply reducing direct reflections off of the monitor will certainly give you the blacks that you want.Its known that anti-glare coatings don't look as punchy as gloss.
An OLED with an anti-glare is still going to spank an IPS or VA.
I didn't realize you were referencing Dell's new monitor, this whole time. Its a Samsung panel.Not in a very bright room. Again go look at the reviews as it is very gray in those conditions and with a lot of direct light reflections can look as bad as an IPS or worse. The issue mentioned in all the reviews is that it did not have a polarization layer. Now turning down the lights and /or simply reducing direct reflections off of the monitor will certainly give you the blacks that you want.
Im confused. Isn't the alternative, using glossy in a bright room, even worse? Then you just see reflections of everything and can barely see the screen.Go look at those Alienware OLED reviews as in a bright room it looks pretty darn gray.
Yes. Pros and cons to both. But it still looks miles better than any lcd in any condition. And if you actually care about the best possible picture you have a dark room.Im confused. Isn't the alternative, using glossy in a bright room, even worse? Then you just see reflections of everything and can barely see the screen.
Try doing digital painting, cad, or modeling straight lines on that thing...![]()
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Im confused. Isn't the alternative, using glossy in a bright room, even worse? Then you just see reflections of everything and can barely see the screen.
As I already mentioned, reviews said it was because it did not have a polarization layer so whatever that means.Yes. Pros and cons to both. But it still looks miles better than any lcd in any condition. And if you actually care about the best possible picture you have a dark room.
OLED doesn't need a polarization layer because it doesn't use any backlighting. The grey issue is with Samsung's OLED panel and choice of AG coating, not due to a lack of polarization.As I already mentioned, reviews said it was because it did not have a polarization layer so whatever that means.
So people that review monitors for a living have no idea what they're talking about?OLED doesn't need a polarization layer because it doesn't use any backlighting. The grey issue is with Samsung's OLED panel and choice of AG coating, not due to a lack of polarization.
I don't believe we were arguing percentages or likelihood just that, to make a statement like "It's not a thing anymore" is not true. I cited a few examples of problems, including an LCD that I managed to break.....and yes I know that was as much of a "WTF?" moment for me as anyone else and I'm sure it's pretty uncommon. But I did get image retention on a Plasma TV (expected) and a CRT display (not expected).Yea and how many people actually experienced burn in on a crt or traditional lcd? Can it happen? Sure but I never seen it. Outside Plasma, rear projection and OLED TVs burn in was never a concern for people.
Would like to see a review where they specifically talk about it. LG still polarizes the outer glass layer to prevent light reflecting off the color filter. They don't use an inner polarizer like LCD panels do. Perhaps that is why Samsung use an AG coating; they're not polarizing the outer glass and still need to deal with reflections.So people that review monitors for a living have no idea what they're talking about?
Person admits that his uncle used this TV to watch news and sports channels all day. 19,000 hours of power logged over 3.5 years of ownership means he kept it on all day (14-15 hours per day) with bright stationary elements on the screen. You can clearly see the "ALERT" chiron from Fox News on the bottom.
Person admits that his uncle used this TV to watch news and sports channels all day. 19,000 hours of power logged over 3.5 years of ownership means he kept it on all day (14-15 hours per day) with bright stationary elements on the screen. You can clearly see the "ALERT" chiron from Fox News on the bottom.
Cool, no one is here to convince you. We're all perfectly happy to keep all of this superior display tech for ourselves.And I use my PC all day with a stationary taskbar and icons on the screen.
Thank you for confirming that a PC monitor is in fact not a good use case for an OLED.
Links to issue jobert is describing on asus:
youtube video around 33 seconds
https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidem...ardware_unboxed_provides_further_evidence_of/
although it's not clear to me if this is related to glossy vs non-glossy as the original argument
Is 42 or 48 too big?Waiting for 32" version, 27" too small for me. Been running 32" for over a decade now.
And I use my PC all day with a stationary taskbar and icons on the screen.
Thank you for confirming that a PC monitor is in fact not a good use case for an OLED.
I don't know how in the hell people could use a 48-in monitor for gaming on a desk that's even remotely normal size. I used a 42 in for about a week and it was not enjoyable at all and I have a very large desk. Playing third person games was not too bad as long as I sat way back and used the controller but any first person game was beyond ridiculous to try and play comfortably. I think I'm like most people in that a 32-in seems to be the best option as far as physical size goes. I've been using a 27-in for several years now and it just feels a bit small.Is 42 or 48 too big?
I moved my icons to the start menu and taskbar, auto-hide taskbar and then set a rotating set of wallpapers. I also don't run my windows maximized since its a 48" display so I can wiggle them around a little. It took some getting used to but I love my OLED screen.
If it works for you and you're happy, good.
I'm just amused how these discussions always start with "OLED burn-in isn't a thing" and gradually evolve into a multi-page document on steps to take to avoid OLED burn-in.
I haven't seen a display tech yet, ever, without burn in.Yeah and I have a bunch of LCDs at work that are burnt in too. Shit happens man. You can mitigate it or you can whine about it, your choice.
In my 30 years of fooling with displays I have never once seen any permanent burn in on a CRT or an LCD. Even none of the hundreds of monitors we have at work that have been there for no telling how many years have any burn in whatsoever that I've noticed. On the other hand my OLED phone screen has permanent burn in that occurred with less than a year of use.
I've seen burn-in and image distortion effects on both CRT and LCD. You can abuse any display and get it to falter. OLED is a bit more finicky with static images, but even LCDs will eventually begin to degrade. It just take a really long time nowadays.In my 30 years of fooling with displays I have never once seen any permanent burn in on a CRT or an LCD. Even none of the hundreds of monitors we have at work that have been there for no telling how many years have any burn in whatsoever that I've noticed. On the other hand my OLED phone screen has permanent burn in that occurred with less than a year of use.
Only seen burn in on CRTs that were arcade monitors displaying the same loop for 24 hours a day for decades. LCD? Never.In my 30 years of fooling with displays I have never once seen any permanent burn in on a CRT or an LCD. Even none of the hundreds of monitors we have at work that have been there for no telling how many years have any burn in whatsoever that I've noticed. On the other hand my OLED phone screen has permanent burn in that occurred with less than a year of use.
Oh so now it's operator error that is the problem...Every display has a shortcoming. OLED could burn in with operator-error, all other displays are ugly.
Always has been.Oh so now it's operator error that is the problem...![]()
So in that brain of yours it actually sounds logical to blame the goddamn user for all OLED burn in? That is one of the most fucking stupid things I've ever heard.
It's not so much operator error as it is operator abuse. Burn-in is caused by bright static images being displayed for prolonged periods of time at above normal display brightness. The taskbar for windows will NOT cause burn-in as long as you run the display at 0-30% display brightness (this is very bright... trust me) and let the display go into a screensaver or turn off after 5-15 minutes. It really is that simple.Curious as to what "error" the operators are committing.
People that use 42 are in it for the immersive experience of single player games so frames and input lag arent their #1 priority. These people mostly suck at FPS games. One size doesnt fit all.I don't know how in the hell people could use a 48-in monitor for gaming on a desk that's even remotely normal size. I used a 42 in for about a week and it was not enjoyable at all and I have a very large desk. Playing third person games was not too bad as long as I sat way back and used the controller but any first person game was beyond ridiculous to try and play comfortably. I think I'm like most people in that a 32-in seems to be the best option as far as physical size goes. I've been using a 27-in for several years now and it just feels a bit small.
People that use 42 are in it for the immersive experience of single player games so frames and input lag arent their #1 priority. These people mostly suck at FPS games. One size doesnt fit all.
I have two 4K120 screens on my PC desk right now: ASUS PG27UQ and AORUS FO48U.Thank you, LG, for finally launching a display well suited to a 3070 during a time when 4090s are a thing.
I'm still waiting on all of the 4K120 screens announced during CES 2017-2020 to hit the market.