LG 48CX

[MistaSparkul]

Here’s to hoping. If not that’s a pretty substantial drop in just a few years.

Well to be fair I did disable ASBL the first week I had it and I've also been running HDR enabled in Windows the whole time which means OLED light set to 100 for the past 2.5 years, and on top of all that I pretty much treated my CX like a regular display in that I don't bother to babysit the thing at all because I just don't care about burn in so if some degradation has occurred then I suppose that's what I get haha.

 

[MistaSparkul]

I set the Contrast from 80 to 100 and that was able to boost the brightness up from 78 nits to 99 nits. Otherwise the rest of my settings look fine so I guess there isn't much else I can do to get it any brighter, let's just say after 2.5 years the max luminance with BFI on high has dropped from ~120 nits down to 100.

 

[MelonSplitter]

I just DL Death Stranding Director's cut. Amazing game with amazing visuals. This monitor and game were meant for each other. My hats off to both.

 

[madpistol]

Yea, Death Stranding is a treat on the CX.

 

[jbltecnicspro]

I set the Contrast from 80 to 100 and that was able to boost the brightness up from 78 nits to 99 nits. Otherwise the rest of my settings look fine so I guess there isn't much else I can do to get it any brighter, let's just say after 2.5 years the max luminance with BFI on high has dropped from ~120 nits down to 100.

How many hours? Do you have an idea?

 

[dpoverlord]

Out of curiosity, what video setting do you guys use for movies in windows?

I have mine set to HDR user for games and it hit me that I might want a a different setting for movies.


What do you guys switch to? I know in Netflix, and the video apps it auto switches.

Thx!

 

[alxlwson]

Out of curiosity, what video setting do you guys use for movies in windows?

I have mine set to HDR user for games and it hit me that I might want a a different setting for movies.


What do you guys switch to? I know in Netflix, and the video apps it auto switches.

Thx!

Tbh, I don't watch movies on my desktop. Even though I have a HM Aeron for amazing comfort and a pretty sweet sound system...

 

[MistaSparkul]

How many hours? Do you have an idea?

It's only at 2339 hours so that's really not a lot given that some owners have already crossed the 10k hour mark! But like I said I did disable ASBL within the first week and It's been running OLED light 100 the whole time so perhaps that contributed something.

 

[jbltecnicspro]

It's only at 2339 hours so that's really not a lot given that some owners have already crossed the 10k hour mark! But like I said I did disable ASBL within the first week and It's been running OLED light 100 the whole time so perhaps that contributed something.

Damn that really isn’t a lot. But like you said you’re running full tilt so I guess that has to have counted for something.

 

[MistaSparkul]

Damn that really isn’t a lot. But like you said you’re running full tilt so I guess that has to have counted for something.

Yeah the CX wasn't the only display I've been using, my time has been spent moving back and fourth between it and my Acer X27, with the X27 being used more often since it took on the duty of any desktop work while the CX was purely gaming only and zero desktop activity. X27 has been replaced with a 32M2V at this point though and that's become my primary display now since it's what my 4090 is hooked up to.

 

[SH1]

Got my CX up and running now.

For work and personal use.

Fonts seem fine with Better ClearType Tuner with grayscale font-smoothing activated.

Disabled automatic dimming (TPC & GSR) to keep from getting blasted by white screens when I move stuff around.

Running 4K/120Hz/10 bit/Game Mode/BFI High on my personal machine. (My work machine basically the same, except it doesn't appear to support 10 bit. Also use some scaling there for myself and for screen sharing.)

I use very low OLED light in my relatively dim home office/bedroom. (As is my natural preference anyway.)

And aggressively use screen savers along with other mitigations. (Similar to how I treat CRTs.)

Wow...Amazing panel!

Obviously I'm very late to this party. Here after countless firmware updates and folks documenting their experiences and advice. Many thanks to everyone here and in the larger community!

 

[jbltecnicspro]

Got my CX up and running now.

For work and personal use.

Fonts seem fine with Better ClearType Tuner with grayscale font-smoothing activated.

Disabled automatic dimming (TPC & GSR) to keep from getting blasted by white screens when I move stuff around.

Running 4K/120Hz/10 bit/Game Mode/BFI High on my personal machine. (My work machine basically the same, except it doesn't appear to support 10 bit. Also use some scaling there for myself and for screen sharing.)

I use very low OLED light in my relatively dim home office/bedroom. (As is my natural preference anyway.)

And aggressively use screen savers along with other mitigations. (Similar to how I treat CRTs.)

Wow...Amazing panel!

Obviously I'm very late to this party. Here after countless firmware updates and folks documenting their experiences and advice. Many thanks to everyone here and in the larger community!

Your being a continued die-hard CRT user giving the screen these accolades is worth more than you realize. Congratulations on your purchase.

 

[MistaSparkul]

Your being a continued die-hard CRT user giving the screen these accolades is worth more than you realize. Congratulations on your purchase.

I'm telling you man, a BFI OLED is the next best thing after CRT. On paper 3ms persistence vs 1ms persistence of CRT it doesn't look like the OLED would fair well but in real world use you will be hard pressed to notice that. A 240Hz BFI OLED would probably fully close the gap but until we have that, the CX/C1 are the go to displays for motion clarity + image quality combo.

 

[jbltecnicspro]

I'm telling you man, a BFI OLED is the next best thing after CRT. On paper 3ms persistence vs 1ms persistence of CRT it doesn't look like the OLED would fair well but in real world use you will be hard pressed to notice that. A 240Hz BFI OLED would probably fully close the gap but until we have that, the CX/C1 are the go to displays for motion clarity + image quality combo.

You don’t have to convince me. My Viewsonic XG2431 has similar (probably a little better) persistence at 60hz and only if I’m nitpicking do I care about motion clarity still not being up to par with CRT. I can only imagine what it would look like if it had those OLED blacks to go with.

 

[SH1]

For one, we are using actual refresh cycles to insert the black frames. The more black frames we insert, the fewer image frames we can show. So even though we have this working at up to 240Hz, we can only display up to 120 unique frames – the other 120 frames are necessarily black (Figure 7). This means that while BFI is active, Spectrum effectively behaves like a 120Hz monitor. Albeit a 120Hz monitor with very little motion blur!

Another limitation of this method is that we don’t have nearly as much control over that balance between brightness and blur reduction. With every other frame, image persistence is 50%, and that’s it. Our firmware team is working on settings that allow a new frame every third (Figure 8), or every fourth refresh cycle (Figure 9), with the frames in-between being black. This would offer settings for 33% and 25% persistence respectively, and would further reduce motion blur. Of course, this would now not only reduce the brightness, but also the maximum frame rate (in these cases, down to 80 and 60fps).
https://dough.community/t/project-spectrum-bfi-coming-to-spectrum-oled/38266

I thought for a moment they were talking about achieving a persistence lower then 4.17ms, but I guess the monitor will be fixed at 240Hz. And that they're just talking about getting that same 4.17ms, but also at 60 and 80 frames/sec.

By the same reckoning, I guess the CX with its apparent 3.13ms of persistence at 120 Hz BFI High is in terms of motion the equivalent of 320 Hz. If I understand this correctly.

 

[kasakka]

For one, we are using actual refresh cycles to insert the black frames. The more black frames we insert, the fewer image frames we can show. So even though we have this working at up to 240Hz, we can only display up to 120 unique frames – the other 120 frames are necessarily black (Figure 7). This means that while BFI is active, Spectrum effectively behaves like a 120Hz monitor. Albeit a 120Hz monitor with very little motion blur!

Another limitation of this method is that we don’t have nearly as much control over that balance between brightness and blur reduction. With every other frame, image persistence is 50%, and that’s it. Our firmware team is working on settings that allow a new frame every third (Figure 8), or every fourth refresh cycle (Figure 9), with the frames in-between being black. This would offer settings for 33% and 25% persistence respectively, and would further reduce motion blur. Of course, this would now not only reduce the brightness, but also the maximum frame rate (in these cases, down to 80 and 60fps).
https://dough.community/t/project-spectrum-bfi-coming-to-spectrum-oled/38266

I thought for a moment they were talking about achieving a persistence lower then 4.17ms, but I guess the monitor will be fixed at 240Hz. And that they're just talking about getting that same 4.17ms, but also at 60 and 80 frames/sec.

By the same reckoning, I guess the CX with its apparent 3.13ms of persistence at 120 Hz BFI High is in terms of motion the equivalent of 320 Hz. If I understand this correctly.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the LG BFI like a rolling scan rather than every other frame being black?

Plus I would read anything Dough/Eve puts out with a huge grain of salt. They are a garbage company incapable of fullfilling their orders. They also kept "altering the deal" with their previous monitor model where things like open source firmware went and several other features went out of the window.

 

[SH1]

Indeed a rolling scan for the LG CX.

In contrast, FWIW, the Dough folks appear to be talking actual black frames inserted into the 240 total/sec.

 

[MistaSparkul]

I'm actually tempted to hook up my main PC back to my CX for BFI use seeing how some games even in 2023 is still shipping with such shitty HDR (Or even NO HDR at all) that you are better off just playing in SDR instead. A few examples:

 

[SH1]

I'm actually tempted to hook up my main PC back to my CX for BFI use seeing how some games even in 2023 is still shipping with such shitty HDR (Or even NO HDR at all) that you are better off just playing in SDR instead. A few examples:

Yeah, it seems like some games still look great in SDR, but some games, in my still limited experience with it, really need HDR like Doom Eternal. (Though this room is pretty dim and it still looks good to me with HDR+BFI.)

I don't understand the specifics of LG's BFI mechanism for the CX/C1. However, I remember seeing the rolling scan effect captured by a high speed camera. And as RTINGS determined that for each 120Hz/8.33ms frame, 3 parts where on and 5 parts off, I think the effective 320Hz figure.

Was 2020/21 just a brief moment in time when LG was alone in the OLED TV space and could offer a relative niche such awesomeness? There was some speculation about LG removing 120Hz BFI from the TV's so they could feature this in their monitors, but which didn't turn out to be the case either...

 

[lors]

I'm actually tempted to hook up my main PC back to my CX for BFI use seeing how some games even in 2023 is still shipping with such shitty HDR (Or even NO HDR at all) that you are better off just playing in SDR instead.

Still pretty rarely and if the game has no HDR at all, it still looks better than SDR with SpecialK HDR or Reshade AutoHDR Addon in every case I tested it. Especially Stray in SDR was AWFUL compared to SpecialK HDR.

Remnant 2 is currently a great example how much better it looks with SpecialK HDR or Reshade AutoHDR compared to shitty flat SDR. Reshade AutoHDR even works with frame generation.

 

[elvn]

Yeah, it seems like some games still look great in SDR, but some games, in my still limited experience with it, really need HDR like Doom Eternal. (Though this room is pretty dim and it still looks good to me with HDR+BFI.)

I don't understand the specifics of LG's BFI mechanism for the CX/C1. However, I remember seeing the rolling scan effect captured by a high speed camera. And as RTINGS determined that for each 120Hz/8.33ms frame, 3 parts where on and 5 parts off, I think the effective 320Hz figure.

Was 2020/21 just a brief moment in time when LG was alone in the OLED TV space and could offer a relative niche such awesomeness? There was some speculation about LG removing 120Hz BFI from the TV's so they could feature this in their monitors, but which didn't turn out to be the case either...

Elden ring, Nioh2, the Jedi games, shadow of war, tomb raider, assassin's odyssey, immortals fenxy rising, witcher3 wild hunt, etc look great in HDR. I played a lot of vermintide 2 at one point which also had nice HDR, and borderlands 3. There are a bunch of others. I've heard forza and a number of other games have good HDR too but I won't comment on ones I didn't play. But yes, not all games have great hdr implementations. Windows hdr calibration tool has helped some titles quite a bit though since before they would clip/blow out detail since some poorly implemented titles were using something like a hdr4000 curve or something instead of being within the range of the screen. Between calibration and auto HDR there are a lot more good HDR/quasi-HDR games.

I did use reshade's autoHDR along with some other filters on darksiders 3's SDR to great effect though when I played that so that or special K can do a lot .. That was before autoHDR in windows. They are all trying to do the same thing more or less. Reshade/special K give you a lot more control to micromanage settings, and even non-HDR settings so can give a better result overall (than windows' autoHDR) . . customized to that particular game too.



https://www.thegamer.com/pc-games-best-hdr-support/#god-of-war


The first vid in the quotation grouped area below is very informative visually on hdr vs sdr if you watch the whole thing. I watched it on my 77" C1 OLED in the LG webOS's youtube app in HDR.

 

[elvn]

Remnant (1) with special K retrofit/autoHDR:



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According to a video I watched, special K peak brightness with colors mapped properly is around 480nit but that's still way higher than SDR so is great for titles that don't support HDR/windows autoHDR . . and regarding BFI, from what I understand it was usually described as cutting brightness 1:1 , by about 50% for 50% blur reduction, and it's essentially incompatible with VRR in anything released so far. You can go higher peaks on specialK's sliders but it won't be reference anymore. According this this vid, Halo SDR exceeds 250nit SDR by default so special K can utilize that to go to 1000nit, so there are some outliers.


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PS5 version of remnant 2 has HDR apparently so you can get an idea of what it might look like with specialK (or if native HDR ever gets natively patched in on PC in the long view).

 

[MistaSparkul]

Still pretty rarely and if the game has no HDR at all, it still looks better than SDR with SpecialK HDR or Reshade AutoHDR Addon in every case I tested it. Especially Stray in SDR was AWFUL compared to SpecialK HDR.

Remnant 2 is currently a great example how much better it looks with SpecialK HDR or Reshade AutoHDR compared to shitty flat SDR. Reshade AutoHDR even works with frame generation.

Yeah I used SpecialK for a few games that don't have any native HDR support and it is better than nothing at all, but not every game will work flawlessly with SpecialK (Sometimes SpecialK HDR just ends up turning my 32M2V into literal TORCH mode also) and seriously it's 2023 already games need to start shipping with proper HDR by now. I've just started to grow tired of the lack of good native HDR support in games as HDR has been around for almost 10 years now so you would think devs would get a hang of implementing it.

 

[lors]

PS5 version of remnant 2 has HDR apparently so you can get an idea of what it might look like with specialK (or if native HDR ever gets natively patched in on PC in the long view).

No it does not. Not even AutoHDR works on Xbox Series X afaik. HDR is only possible on PC with SpecialK/Reshade.

Edit: Right, you can force HDR "always on" on PS5, but that's obviously not gonna look good.

 

[MistaSparkul]

PS5 version of remnant 2 has HDR apparently so you can get an idea of what it might look like with specialK (or if native HDR ever gets natively patched in on PC in the long view).

lol PS5's "HDR" for games that don't have HDR is like literally 200 nits. And as far as I can tell, only two games have ever had native HDR patched in, which is Control and Witcher 3 with the next gen remaster. Every other game, don't expect HDR to get patched in ever.

 

[elvn]

lol PS5's "HDR" for games that don't have HDR is like literally 200 nits. And as far as I can tell, only two games have ever had native HDR patched in, which is Control and Witcher 3 with the next gen remaster. Every other game, don't expect HDR to get patched in ever.



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good to know. I don't have a ps5 anyway so special K it is I guess (~ 480nit accurately, maybe a little more if you want to push it) .. if not windows autoHDR. So your are saying remnant2 doesn't have native HDR on ps5 I guess. I mentioned the 2nd remnant clip just to give some hint of what specialK might be able to do since I could find no remnant 2 + specialK vids posted yet. I could really not give a damn about ps5 tbh.

There's no spectrograph shown but what did you think of the remnant 1 (PC) + special K clip?

I can deal with 480nit specialK or windows autoHDR on a few titles I really can't do without but otherwise I prioritize (native)HDR much like over 30fps/60fpsHz limited games. Was so glad elden ring had HDR. Thats a game I put the most time into since nioh 2 (which also had great hdr). I've played other games, some with hdr (jedi, odysssey, shadow/war, witcher, a few other misc.) but those are a few Iived in for a lot longer.

While not "patched in" .. some full remastered releases may get hdr like dead space remake.

 

[MistaSparkul]

good to know. I don't have a ps5 anyway so special K it is I guess (~ 480nit accurately, maybe a little more if you want to push it) .. if not windows autoHDR. So your are saying remnant2 doesn't have native HDR on ps5 I guess. I mentioned the 2nd remnant clip just to give some hint of what specialK might be able to do since I could find no remnant 2 + specialK vids posted yet. I could really not give a damn about ps5 tbh.

There's no spectrograph shown but what did you think of the remnant 1 (PC) + special K clip?

I can deal with 480nit specialK or windows autoHDR on a few titles I really can't do without but otherwise I prioritize (native)HDR much like over 30fps/60fpsHz limited games. Was so glad elden ring had HDR. Thats a game I put the most time into since nioh 2 (which also had great hdr). I've played other games, some with hdr (jedi, odysssey, shadow/war, witcher, a few other misc.) but those are a few Iived in for a lot longer.

While not "patched in" .. some full remastered releases may get hdr like dead space remake.

So SpecialK is only accurate up to 480 nits? Guess that makes sense why it turns certain games into full on torch mode when used with my 32M2V and setting it to target 1300 nits, latest example I can think of is Like A Dragon Isshin. At that point it doesn't even look like HDR anymore, it just looks like I cranked my screen brightness to 500% and was giving me legit eye strain from playing like that.

 

[elvn]

So SpecialK is only accurate up to 480 nits? Guess that makes sense why it turns certain games into full on torch mode when used with my 32M2V and setting it to target 1300 nits, latest example I can think of is Like A Dragon Isshin. At that point it doesn't even look like HDR anymore, it just looks like I cranked my screen brightness to 500% and was giving me legit eye strain from playing like that.

Yes that would explain it I think. Past 480nit it probably lifts the whole curve relatively like sdr brightness does and that would look bad.


According to that one comparison video I posted it tops out at around 480nit or so if you want to maintain accuracy and not wreck the curve raising blacks, etc.

The reviewer did state that there are a few titles whose curve goes higher in SDR to begin with, so that those could reach 1000nit peak curve settings and stay accurate. Namely Halo which he stated could get over 1000nit using the same reference settings. Idk which if any others.

The youtube narrator JDSP stated:

"I've tuned these values not to give you the most contrast or to give you the most peak brightness possible but to more accurately match the native HDR presentations in terms of average picture level, contrast, saturation, black levels, and leaving the peak brightness to wherever those sliders leave the peak brightness to - in this case, it's about 480nits. There is not much you can do about this currently with special K. This is the brightness you are limited at. It is still significantly higher than it will ever be in SDR if you're watching SDR in a reference grade environment - and it gives you some little fine tuning adjustments if you want a more punchy image or if you want a more contrasty, less saturated . . whatever you want the image."

"To go over it again, if you were to play a game like Farcry 3 which doesn't have a HDR presentation at all , without having to guesswork where to slide the sliders to - you can just use these pin values and know in the back of your mind that 'if this game had a HDR presentation, this is roughly what it would look like'. "

"There are some limitations with special K currently. Special K currently does not allow you to have a peak brightness whilst retaining the average picture level as dim as it should be, past ~ 480-ish nits and this is just a limitation of how the tone mapper and such works. There are some edge cases or different examples for example Halo Infinite - because the game's native SDR presentation has pixels that exceed 255 RGB value it goes past that and special K can extract this information when you inject it in and it will present it in a brighter format. Halo infinite with these settings goes above 1000nits whereas most games where I can't get that extra information will cap at around 480. You can go past this, obviously the slider is there you can do whatever you want. However for a reference image, the settings in the description are what you see on screen" <in the youtube video>

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Remnant (1) with special K retrofit/autoHDR:



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[MistaSparkul]

TBH the fact that even resorting to SpecialK will only get you around 480 nits in the majority of games is kind of disappointing, although I guess it's still better than 120 nits SDR. Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that these "fake HDR" hacks like AutoHDR and SpecialK can certainly be better than having nothing at all, but it just pales in comparison to a game that properly implements HDR and lets me unleash the full 1200+ nits of my display. With such games still looking like an exception rather than the norm even in 2023 is what's makes me tempted to just forget about HDR gaming for a while again and go have some BFI fun because I'm getting tired of the inconsistent experiences with HDR. Some games absolutely blow me away like RE4 Remake while others are more like "That's it?"

 

[elvn]

Understandable opinion. Years ago telling someone they'd get an amplified, separated high color range increase from reference SDR of +360nit or so, also getting that dark floor that the reference range is focused on maintaining in the other direction, would probably be jaw dropping. I find even HDR ~500 a nice increase on a per pixel emissive OLED next to blacks down to oblivion, compared to SDR that is . . but I agree much higher native HDR ranges, even those OLEDs are limited to, look way better.

Not certain what windows autoHDR's limitations are while retaining full black depth/reference paperwhite/etc as compared to special K's limitation so I looked around alittle.

From the "PlasmaForTVGaming" youtube channel (he actually runs LG OLEDs now but the name remained) . . . I watched a video from just before the windows hdr calibration tool came out. He used CRU edit to similar effect so it should be comparable. The GTA5 and Spiderman screenshots he took seem to show the max nits of his screen being displayed on highlights/point light sources. Not sure if the black levels and mids were raised though. That was the point the special K guy was making, he was being sure that his black depths remained the same and reference point was retained. You can move the slider higher in specialK but it won't be reference anymore so everything will be raised relatively (raising blacks, mids, maybe ending up washing some things out, clipping detail out, etc.) . . instead of maintaining values in the full HDR range. Not sure what windows autoHDR is doing in relation to the rest of the curve at reference when outputting peak nit of the display (if/when calibrated to match that peak, you could calibrate it differently using the tool).

 

[elvn]

I read that there is a nvidia streamline error code that pops up when trying to use special K with Remnant 2. I don't have remnant 2 but Remnant 1 works with special K.

There might be a workaround replacing the streamline dll in the game's directories but it could screw up playing online potentially if they have modified files filtering/banning like blizzard/battle-net has. Remnant doesn't seem that competitive to me but rather a fun co-op game with some difficulty levels to it so they might not scan for it. (Not saying it can't be difficult or require skill, like vermintide 2's highest difficulties and mod items for example - just that it's not laddered or persistent world or anything like that).

Use at your own risk, but there are a few mods for remnant 2 already including a higher trait cap so the file replacement might work fine.


Informational link on the wiki also has links to the replacement file:

https://wiki.special-k.info/en/Compatibility/Streamline

The file in question has something to do with upscaling, DLSS, frame generation, etc (aka "Frame amplification tech")

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Nvidia Streamline is an open-source solution for developers that simplifies integration of the latest upscaling/super resolution technologies from AMD, Intel, and Nvidia by using a plug-and-play framework through a single integration with the game or application. Instead of implementing and integrating multiple different upscaling SDKs separately, game developers just need to integrate Streamline and then enable the different upscaling plug-ins as desired.

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In some cases, the game may still launch with Special K after pressing the OK button. Alternatively, you could try a global injection delay or try Special K with local injection (either method could also get rid of the Special K Incompatibility pop-up message). However, while the game may still launch with Special K in some cases using global or local injection, replacing the game’s Streamline interposer file might be needed for Special K’s scRGB HDR to work.

 

[MistaSparkul]

In addition to lacking native HDR, Remnant 2 also runs like trash getting under 50fps on an RTX 4090 without even any ray tracing in the game. Hard pass.

 

[GoldenTiger]

In addition to lacking native HDR, Remnant 2 also runs like trash getting under 50fps on an RTX 4090 without even any ray tracing in the game. Hard pass.

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Add in dlss2 + DLSS3 frame gen and you'll be capping a 120hz 4k display .

 

[MistaSparkul]

Add in dlss2 + DLSS3 frame gen and you'll be capping a 120hz 4k display .

I don't like frame gen when using kb/m as I would for shooter games as it's noticeably laggier. And I'm nowhere near a professional player and yet even I can feel the added latency. On controller though I can't a difference so I happily used frame gen in Hogwart's Legacy to overcome cpu limits.

 

[sharknice]

In addition to lacking native HDR, Remnant 2 also runs like trash getting under 50fps on an RTX 4090 without even any ray tracing in the game. Hard pass.

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I guess that makes sense if all you care about graphics. Kind of a silly way to judge a game like this though. Graphics certainly add to the experience, but I really don't think this is the type of game where matters much at all. It's a very gameplay focused and coop game. It's not a single player game with a super engaging story.
And it's not like the graphics are bad or the performance makes it unplayable like Cyberpuhnk on consoles.
The graphics are great, even though the performance for the graphics is average. The people saying this barely looks better than the old game are simply wrong. This looks way better than the first game.

I don't like that they rely on upscaling tech, I think they should have lower settings, or just made it run better overall, but it feels like there is a lot of over the top unwarranted outrage from people.


Personally I won't be buying this game any time soon, but maybe a few years down the road when it's on sale or free on EGS. I got the first one free on EGS and enoyed it quite a bit playing coop with friends. The graphics did not matter in that experience. Some of my friends have very old hardware and wouldn't be able to run this game at all.

 

[lors]

I don't like frame gen when using kb/m as I would for shooter games as it's noticeably laggier. And I'm nowhere near a professional player and yet even I can feel the added latency. On controller though I can't a difference so I happily used frame gen in Hogwart's Legacy to overcome cpu limits.

Remnant 2 at 120FPS with frame gen does not feel laggy at all using m+kb. Neither does Cyberpunk or Warhammer with frame gen.

Really blows my mind everytime I read such things.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Remnant 2 at 120FPS with frame gen does not feel laggy at all using m+kb. Neither does Cyberpunk or Warhammer with frame gen.

Really blows my mind everytime I read such things.

The latency measurements just don't back it up from what I've seen. Placebo?

 

[MistaSparkul]

Remnant 2 at 120FPS with frame gen does not feel laggy at all using m+kb. Neither does Cyberpunk or Warhammer with frame gen.

Really blows my mind everytime I read such things.

Well I haven't tried Cyberpunk or Warhammer with frame gen yet so I can't comment. Not sure how it blows your mind just because someone else has a difference experience than you. And I already stated that on controller I really cannot tell a difference at all, just the few kb/m games that I tried out.

 

[lors]

I guess it also depends on your hardware and settings. Ideally edit: After testing with VRR off: You absolutely need to have a Gsync/VRR display, reflex in the game and also don't use any framerate caps at all. This will ensure the input lag penalty of DLSS3 is minimal.

The game just feels snappy with frame gen hitting 120FPS on my setup and I played competitive quake for many years.

 

[Armenius]

Remnant 2 at 120FPS with frame gen does not feel laggy at all using m+kb. Neither does Cyberpunk or Warhammer with frame gen.

Really blows my mind everytime I read such things.

A few games you can feel the latency with frame generation. The Witcher 3 is of particular note. It's also pretty bad in Portal RTX. Remnant II and Ratchet & Clank feel fine, though, with Reflex on.

I guess it also depends on your hardware and settings. Ideally edit: After testing with VRR off: You absolutely need to have a Gsync/VRR display, reflex in the game and also don't use any framerate caps at all. This will ensure the input lag penalty of DLSS3 is minimal.

The game just feels snappy with frame gen hitting 120FPS on my setup and I played competitive quake for many years.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Reflex doesn't work without a VRR display. If you don't have a VRR display you can use the low latency setting in the NVCP, but that has its own quirks.