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The fact is there are certain basics that you need - notifications, quick controls, task manager, some level of customization etc. Every one of these features is something Apple has denied and laughed at Android in the past, and guess what, they've added them all (in some cases blatantly copied). Because they just make sense.

Apple aren't UI magicians who'll invent some radical new paradigm that suddenly makes everything better. In fact Apple has never been an innovator. What they're good at is taking existing technology/UI design and polishing and refining it, while removing things that might detract from the experience. They have very good UI designers but they never really come up with new features.
 

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The fact is there are certain basics that you need - notifications, quick controls, task manager, some level of customization etc. Every one of these features is something Apple has denied and laughed at Android in the past, and guess what, they've added them all (in some cases blatantly copied). Because they just make sense.

Apple aren't UI magicians who'll invent some radical new paradigm that suddenly makes everything better. In fact Apple has never been an innovator. What they're good at is taking existing technology/UI design and polishing and refining it, while removing things that might detract from the experience. They have very good UI designers but they never really come up with new features.

At least to some extent, you're right on how Apple implements features (though I don't think Apple has ridiculed the specific features you mentioned). I'd say that Apple's strength has been identifying categories where existing approaches have been fundamentally flawed and adapting technology to fix it.

My favourite is the tablet. Microsoft spent several years attacking tablets the wrong way, by simply shoehorning pen support (Bill Gates was obsessed with pen input) into the existing Windows experience. Apple showed that the truly important factors were an intuitive touch interface, portability and a halfway decent price. It was amusing to watch the iPad eclipse the Tablet PC platform's lifetime sales within a matter of months.
 

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At least to some extent, you're right on how Apple implements features (though I don't think Apple has ridiculed the specific features you mentioned). I'd say that Apple's strength has been identifying categories where existing approaches have been fundamentally flawed and adapting technology to fix it.

No, Apple did not ridicule any features, it surprises me people still think Apple openly bashed features the competition had. One thing that Jobs did bash was the necessity that Android had to add hardware just to keep up with theirs, battery life being one.

My favourite is the tablet. Microsoft spent several years attacking tablets the wrong way, by simply shoehorning pen support (Bill Gates was obsessed with pen input) into the existing Windows experience. Apple showed that the truly important factors were an intuitive touch interface, portability and a halfway decent price. It was amusing to watch the iPad eclipse the Tablet PC platform's lifetime sales within a matter of months.

Bill Gates was on the right track for productivity. In fact he was more spot on then most thought. The only problem is, his idea would of worked in niche markets where his stuff sold but Apple built the perfect platform for the masses who don't give two hoots about productivity and just wanted consumption.

Apple won out in the end, not through innovation but through catering. The productivity market still belongs to MS however. The one thing that MS did take note is the touch interface. For the longest they never realized the traditional Desktop was terrible for touch control, but they still ran with it. Now we have the modern Tiles format which in all honestly is the best out of the bunch for touch based applications(conjecture I know it...).
 

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It'll be nice to end up and see what the 6 looks like. I have a 5S and I am pretty happy with it, though I have always been a "S" person and tend to do the upgrade when the "S" model is out.

I actually enjoy iOS and the way it is. Maybe I am just a if its not broke don't fix it kind of guy, but I hope they don't go with a radical redesign, I like it now the way it is. Then again, I'm probably a very simple user and I don't use my smartphone for anything too indepth. I too like many others was a little taken off by how iOS 7 looked and the "kiddie" icons but my eyes adapted and they look fine to me now.

I'm still waiting for a Android model that will get me to finally switch. I think if they fixed their fragmentation and general refinement I would jump over, but it just baffles me how many high end flagship Android phones with specs out of the ass still cause the phone to lag and chop up. I don't want to have to root my phone 8 ways from Sunday to get around to fix it, not to mention the carrier bloat these phones come loaded with is just extremely annoying. I still wonder how Apple gets around that. I'm on Verizon and I am a employee at that, so I can't exactly just go grab a google play edition device or a Nexus device unfortunately.

I don't mind the 4" screen size, but going a little bigger I think will help Apple a lot. I'm fine with the screen size as long as I can read the screen easily and it looks clear to me. I still like having a phone with easy 1-handed operation. I don't have the biggest hands myself so something like a Note is just a little too large of a display size then what I would like.

I like the iPhones a lot, I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but they have done well with the phone and its targeted audience. We'll see what happens.
 

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Here's the problem: you're basically saying "make it like Android." What would be the point of using iOS if it just does everything you're already getting on another platform?

Point taken. I guess my complaint is that the iOS UI is archaic and significantly behind the state of the art. They surely don't need to go and copy features from Android, but they do need to do something to get with the times. The almost complete lack of UI customization options is inexcusable.

And come on, Apple. I think it's time to loosen the reigns a bit and allow things like custom launchers and web browsers that aren't just a reskin of Safari.
 

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Moto X, HTC One, HTC One M8, LG G2, and most likely the upcoming LG G3 flagships don't lag. Unfortunately the best selling android flagships over the last few years do because of being bloated up the wazoo and a launcher that almost nobody wants. Sad part is most of those people don't even know that they don't like it because they never had chance to compare.
 

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Point taken. I guess my complaint is that the iOS UI is archaic and significantly behind the state of the art. They surely don't need to go and copy features from Android, but they do need to do something to get with the times. The almost complete lack of UI customization options is inexcusable.

And come on, Apple. I think it's time to loosen the reigns a bit and allow things like custom launchers and web browsers that aren't just a reskin of Safari.

I don't think Apple needs to focus on UI customization and special launchers -- that's appealing to the tech heads, not the mainstream. Default app choices and eligible app types are another matter, since that potentially improves functionality in a way that's meaningful to typical users. A lot of people could use "real" Chrome, but few are going to have their lives changed by Nova Launcher.

At any rate, we now know thanks to WWDC banners that iOS 8 is coming, so let's see what it actually brings!
 

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Time for some realism. Apple:
Will say Maps is better...
Will say Siri is better...
Will say iOS 8 is the best iOS yet...
Will say "this will be our best year ever!"...

And most importantly... not announce any new iPhones. I'm calling it now. I feel it in my bones and you know that never fails.
 

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Time for some realism. Apple:
Will say Maps is better...
Will say Siri is better...
Will say iOS 8 is the best iOS yet...
Will say "this will be our best year ever!"...

And most importantly... not announce any new iPhones. I'm calling it now. I feel it in my bones and you know that never fails.

That's a very realistic prediction. At the same time, you just know there will be someone out there who will get all flustered that there wasn't a new iPhone (despite Apple not having announced one at WWDC since 2010). I'm not counting on seeing any new iOS hardware until September; anything earlier will be a pleasant surprise.
 

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I qualify for a phone upgrade through Sprint starting on Monday. Clearly this is a sign a 4.7 inch iPhone 6 will be announced with immediate availability :p
 

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Looks like you're right and it'll be Monday at WWDC:

http://www.gsmarena.com/alleged_wwdc_slides_leak_with_iphone_6_on_them-news-8666.php

Looks like a mini iPad.

Fake. Fake fake fake fake. All you're seeing is some shaky footage of an auditorium (not even necessarily the one in Moscone West) with a couple of photos of the current iPhone mockup slapped in.

There isn't going to be an iPhone launch at WWDC. As Apple has done every year since 2008, you'll see the new iOS first and its matching iPhone a few months later.

Update: Sure enough, it's proven to be fake. I'd say I'm surprised that anyone was suckered into believing this was real, but I know there's some who are willing to take anything they read at face value.
 
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I don't know what "toxic hellstew" is. Probably better than the super freaking hot habanero hot wings I had this week end.
 

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Doesn't seem like iOS8 is that much different than iOS7. Still no Widgets or Live Tiles type of things on the home screen, still looks like someone left the app drawer open :rolleyes: Man that look is getting stale, and so 2007.

If true and there are two new larger iPhone's this Fall a 4.7" and 5.5", what a waste of space only having app icons on those larger home screens.
 

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they're still announcing iOS8 features, but we likely wont see any of the 'good' stuff until the iPhone launch.

Like it so far. Finally added quick reply, which is nice.
 

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As much of a Android nerd as I am. If the new iPhone is 4.7" or bigger, I may seriously consider getting one, just to play with something new and fresh.

Seeing how polished and feature rich iOS8 is, makes me wish Google gets their act together and be unified and overall better together, and come out with a fresh Android 5.0 this Fall, on a sweet Nexus-Six by HTC :)
 

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Interesting. Providing a 4.7" or bigger screen option is probably a good idea. That's one of the reasons I went from an iPhone to an S4.
 

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custom keyboards, inter-app communication and 3rd party widgets. Didn't see that coming at all

edit: Also like that touch-ID can now be used for other things besides unlocking the phone. very cool
 

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To me, the biggest things are AirDrop, iCloud Drive and inter-app communication. Basically, you no longer need to yearn for drag-and-drop file sharing if you're just hoping to get a few documents on to (or off of) your iPhone, or if you need to work with one file in multiple apps.

Apple is definitely playing a degree of catch-up here, but some of this is stuff you won't get in Android or Windows Phone. Definitely intrigued to see what the next iPhone adds to this equation.
 

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To me, the biggest things are AirDrop, iCloud Drive and inter-app communication. Basically, you no longer need to yearn for drag-and-drop file sharing if you're just hoping to get a few documents on to (or off of) your iPhone, or if you need to work with one file in multiple apps.

Apple is definitely playing a degree of catch-up here, but some of this is stuff you won't get in Android or Windows Phone. Definitely intrigued to see what the next iPhone adds to this equation.

How is this something you won't get on Android? Maybe not natively, but ES File Explorer, Air Droid, and several others let you share files using other universal methods such as SMB, FTP, LAN, etc.

I read that Apple added Widget support to iOS8, but is that true widgets on the home screen like Android hopefully :D Or just that crappy Notification widget stuff ?

Apple announces iOS 8 with widgets and OS X continuity
http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5772600/ios-8-features-and-release-date

The "widgets" are still only in the notification shade. But 3rd party devs can now create and add them there.
 
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How is this something you won't get on Android? Maybe not natively, but ES File Explorer, Air Droid, and several others let you share files using other universal methods such as SMB, FTP, etc.

And therein lies your answer. Yes you can do most of these things on Android, but you will have to go through some hoops to get it to work.
 

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And therein lies your answer. Yes you can do most of these things on Android, but you will have to go through some hoops to get it to work.

Which means you can have it on Android still... that's my point.

Not sure how this is a big feature anyways, at least for me. There have only been a few times when I needed to send files other than pics (which I normally use Hangouts or e-mail for) directly to people's phones, in which case WiFi Direct (through NFC) or BT worked fine for. But normally I'm transferring files between my home file server and my phone, which is what ES File explorer is used for and works great.
 
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The "widgets" are still only in the notification shade. But 3rd party devs can now create and add them there.



Well that sucks :( So Apple will release a larger screen iPhone this Fall, and still just be a screen full of app icons :rolleyes: Looks like no iPhone 6 on my radar anymore.
 

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Well that sucks :( So Apple will release a larger screen iPhone this Fall, and still just be a screen full of app icons :rolleyes: Looks like no iPhone 6 on my radar anymore.

Really? You haven't even tried it and you're already ruling it out because widgets require a swipe from the top of the screen? I'd give iOS 8 more of a chance first.
 
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Which means you can have it on Android still... that's my point.

No one ever said you can't? The appeal of Apple is the ease of use between devices natively.
 
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I don't actually know of exact apps that are comparable, but there is always going to be some app that will do it. How functional those apps are is another issue though.
 

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I don't actually know of exact apps that are comparable, but there is always going to be some app that will do it. How functional those apps are is another issue though.

Well there's still NFC and Wi-Fi direct that's native to Android. Not quite as robust, but just as good if you're not trying to send the same file to multiple people at once, which I would say is quite rare for most people.
 

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3rd party keyboards, limited form of app sharing, always listening, voice calls on pc, limited widgets, cloud drive, photos gettingn backed up to cloud - its like a laundry list of features copied from Google.
 

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I know I'm nitpicking.. but it was a false statement nonetheless.

What about Handoff? You genuinely can't do that with Android. Not between Android devices, and not between Android and a computer (including Chrome). The best you get is saving your work in Google apps or Gmail and pulling it up later.

AirDrop would also be harder to replicate... I certainly wouldn't compare it to Kies Air, which is an absolute mess.
 

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Android has some form of Handoff for things like voice calls via Google voice, Hangouts etc, since it detects which device you are active on. And there are rumors of a Google project which would allow you to transfer/save current work via the cloud and resume on another device, including open apps.

I wish Apple would open up these services to all apps though. And provide clients for other ecosystems. How very condescending of them to 'and we'll even allow Windows' for iCloud drive'. It's a cloud service for gods sake, you damn well allow any browser to access it.
 

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From a developers POV and a quick glance through the Swift ebook, I love it... and a lot of it has to do with how much I hate that smalltalk style Objective-C... so 80's. Not that it sucks, that syntax style is just confusing. Swift is definitely more "modern" looking.
 

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Android has some form of Handoff for things like voice calls via Google voice, Hangouts etc, since it detects which device you are active on. And there are rumors of a Google project which would allow you to transfer/save current work via the cloud and resume on another device, including open apps.

I wish Apple would open up these services to all apps though. And provide clients for other ecosystems. How very condescending of them to 'and we'll even allow Windows' for iCloud drive'. It's a cloud service for gods sake, you damn well allow any browser to access it.

It's not condescending... it's an Apple-focused conference. Even if Windows support was a major goal, they're not going to play it up! I wouldn't expect Microsoft to make a big deal of OneDrive supporting the Mac, or Google to promote G+ on iOS.

As for Handoff, I could see Google doing it, but Apple's implementation is slick. I love the idea of saying "shoot, I'll just finish this on my computer" and just having to click a button to pick up exactly where I left off.
 

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From a developers POV and a quick glance through the Swift ebook, I love it... and a lot of it has to do with how much I hate that smalltalk style Objective-C... so 80's. Not that it sucks, that syntax style is just confusing. Swift is definitely more "modern" looking.

People around me including me hate the way it looks for Swift.

It's like a combination of C with Javascript.

The syntax is so ugly that it's practically idiot proof language like Java.

People who enjoy coding in scripts / high-level might like it, but anything else, I see this as a epic fail other than simple game development.
 

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People around me including me hate the way it looks for Swift.

It's like a combination of C with Javascript.

The syntax is so ugly that it's practically idiot proof language like Java.

People who enjoy coding in scripts / high-level might like it, but anything else, I see this as a epic fail other than simple game development.

Anything is better than the abomination that is Obj-C. Why Apple couldn't have used a real language like JS is beyond me, probably just another way to control the environment, or is it a security issue?
 

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People around me including me hate the way it looks for Swift.

It's like a combination of C with Javascript.

The syntax is so ugly that it's practically idiot proof language like Java.

People who enjoy coding in scripts / high-level might like it, but anything else, I see this as a epic fail other than simple game development.
So are you saying you prefer Objective-C over Swift? My take is almost anything is better than Objective-C as long as it's not another smalltalk syntax style.
 

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So are you saying you prefer Objective-C over Swift? My take is almost anything is better than Objective-C as long as it's not another smalltalk syntax style.

Objective C is one of the finest language like C# in my experience.
It's easier to read and to work on. It just beautiful with it's own rhythm.

Scripting language is just pure ugly to read and often create confusion among people who want to jump in from the middle of the development. (Unless the architecture is right, which is extremely rare upon any company out there)

I honestly rather use C++ than any script syntax.
 
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