Intel’s upcoming iGPU might destroy both Nvidia and Apple M2H

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Hmm, can it be?

"Not using an integrated graphics card while still delivering decent gaming performance could be huge for slim and power-conservative laptops. Moore’s Law is Dead notes that manufacturers could be looking at a large increase in battery life.

If these Intel-based laptops could reach close to the battery life of the M2 MacBook Pro, that would mark a victory all around for Intel Meteor Lake. Nvidia’s GTX 1650-level graphics with a battery life that exceeds 13 to 15 hours? Sounds like a win for entry-level gamers.

Intel’s Meteor Lake chips are said to come out near the end of the year, but seemingly only in laptops. The desktop range is still up in the air — it seems that Intel may launch a Raptor Lake refresh instead of a brand-new generation."

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Source: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-meteor-lake-integrated-graphics-rumors/
 
Lakados said:
I don't know, maybe that's backward now and it's AMD who needs to catch up to Intel now....
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Well you would start with a big fat discreet GPU that is proven by arc and drivers, then work your way down to the micro efficient based on that tech.
To think Intel is on the cusp of ultra low power GPU domination has no legs. If they were then Koduri would be the face of Intel. But he is not.
The world knows this is AMD's domination and is evident from the consoles all the way down to handhelds. They have worked in that direction for many years and aren't going to give it up. Just give a quick look at simple CPU power draw and you can see why consoles and handhelds are all AMD.
 
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Lakados said:
I don't know, maybe that's backward now and it's AMD who needs to catch up to Intel now....
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On the laptop scene I've been immensely impressed with AMD mobile solutions. Neat little apus and they are advancing well. What does intel have to offer? Mediocre mobile cpus with lame igpus? They have a few good chips paired with nvidia gpu's but that has it's own issues. Apple is off doing different stuff very successfully. So I'll say it again. Intel needs to catch up on the mobile scene. Especially for efficiant onboard gpus.
 
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funkydmunky said:
Well you would start with a big fat discreet GPU that is proven by arc and drivers, then work your way down to the micro efficient based on that tech.
To think Intel is on the cusp of ultra low power GPU domination has no legs. If they were then Koduri would be the face of Intel. But he is not.
The world knows this is AMD's domination and is evident from the consoles all the way down to handhelds. They have worked in that direction for many years and aren't going to give it up. Just give a quick look at simple CPU power draw and you can see why consoles and handhelds are all AMD.
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cdabc123 said:
On the laptop scene I've been immensely impressed with AMD mobile solutions. Neat little apus and they are advancing well. What does intel have to offer? Mediocre mobile cpus with lame igpus? They have a few good chips paired with nvidia gpu's but that has it's own issues. Apple is off doing different stuff very successfully. So I'll say it again. Intel needs to catch up on the mobile scene. Especially for efficiant onboard gpus.
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cdabc123 said:
On the laptop scene I've been immensely impressed with AMD mobile solutions. Neat little apus and they are advancing well. What does intel have to offer? Mediocre mobile cpus with lame igpus? They have a few good chips paired with nvidia gpu's but that has it's own issues. Apple is off doing different stuff very successfully. So I'll say it again. Intel needs to catch up on the mobile scene. Especially for efficiant onboard gpus.
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Intel's current Iris XE iGPUs are decent enough in my experience. Over the last Christmas break I only had my Latitude laptop on me with an 11th Gen i5 and wanted to play Dead Space to refresh me for the upcoming remake and I was able to play it at 1080p maxed out at 90+ FPS on it most of the time. Sure it's a 15 year old game now, but still looks good for its age. I'm also able to play Minecraft (Java) on it at medium/high settings it 60+ FPS, which is harder to run than many assume and seems to be CPU bound in most instances.

From the reviews I remember seeing on that gen Iris XE, it wasn't far behind the Vega iGPUs AMD was using in their chips in the previous gen and it still seems difficult to find many laptops right now with any Zen 2 based iGPUs in them as well.
 
T4rd said:
Intel's current Iris XE iGPUs are decent enough in my experience. Over the last Christmas break I only had my Latitude laptop on me with an 11th Gen i5 and wanted to play Dead Space to refresh me for the upcoming remake and I was able to play it at 1080p maxed out at 90+ FPS on it most of the time. Sure it's a 15 year old game now, but still looks good for its age. I'm also able to play Minecraft (Java) on it at medium/high settings it 60+ FPS, which is harder to run than many assume and seems to be CPU bound in most instances.

From the reviews I remember seeing on that gen Iris XE, it wasn't far behind the Vega iGPUs AMD was using in their chips in the previous gen and it still seems difficult to find many laptops right now with any Zen 2 based iGPUs in them as well.
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T4rd said:
it still seems difficult to find many laptops right now with any Zen 2 based iGPUs in them as well.
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Best Buy has had multiple Zephyrus G14 models regularly, if not constantly, in stock for a couple of years (I see at least 8 models in my area). I'm still using one with a 4900HS in it, which is Zen 2 with, I believe Vega+ graphics (and a 2060). It plays many games fine with settings turned down--I don't do a lot of AAA stuff but it plays heavily modded Minecraft 1.16 reasonably well, and that's a GPU pig. It's definitely better, although not leaps and bounds better, than the Xe graphics on a 1235U or 12600K.
 
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1_rick said:
Best Buy has had multiple Zephyrus G14 models regularly, if not constantly, in stock for a couple of years (I see at least 8 models in my area). I'm still using one with a 4900HS in it, which is Zen 2 with, I believe Vega+ graphics (and a 2060). It plays many games fine with settings turned down--I don't do a lot of AAA stuff but it plays heavily modded Minecraft 1.16 reasonably well, and that's a GPU pig. It's definitely better, although not leaps and bounds better, than the Xe graphics on a 1235U or 12600K.
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The 2060 Mobile is a surprisingly capable GPU, I really wish Nvidia would put the 'm' prefix back onto their laptop silicon because it is misleading without it, the 2060 mobile is not the same silicon as a 2060 desktop, and they have wildly different performance characteristics. Nvidia even refreshed it with the TU106B back in 2020 and still manufactures and sells it to hold the budget segment the 1650 Super took before it. But the 2060 is anywhere between 2 and 3 times faster than any of the Vega or current Iris based graphics options, but also consumes as much power as the other APU solutions do alone. So yay battery life. The fact the upcoming Intel APU will fall between the AMD 8 and 12 CU variants is a good thing though, that is not a bad spot to hold.
 
erek said:
GTX 1650
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ummmm.... whahdatiz ????

Oh don't worry, the performance comparable to a 4 year old GPU, and in a 2023 lappy no less....

yep, that would be a REAL winner in my book.... let me run out & buy one (or 5) like, right friggin now, before they're all gone.....:D
 
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