i9-13900K benchmark leak?

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Single thread is starting to become irrelevant in most applications. It's crazy that Intel can't improve efficiency on 10nm. Hopefully their 7nm will show improvement.
Ya, This seems to be something I heard a lot of once Zen landed "but intel single core performance is still faster" Great, how many things do you do that are single threaded day to day?
 

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Ya, This seems to be something I heard a lot of once Zen landed "but intel single core performance is still faster" Great, how many things do you do that are single threaded day to day?
Single-threaded almost none, but only using 4-6 threads like 90%, having 32 just means I can reasonably do 5 of them at once.
 

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Ya, This seems to be something I heard a lot of once Zen landed "but intel single core performance is still faster" Great, how many things do you do that are single threaded day to day?
It's not really just single-threaded; it's more about a lower number of faster cores and in that case it's just about everything that a non-researcher/creator runs. Not that it's all that noticeable but Intel does generally still lead in performance where a lower amount of faster cores are more relevant. I would assume most things "normal" people use a PC for are going to fall into this category; web browsing, photo editing, etc. Of course, as I said it's not really going to be noticeable unless you're benchmarking but hardly anyone is going to run applications that actually benefit from more than 6 cores (or even 4 most of the time).

Except for a handful of newer games my 3700x wasn't any faster than my old i7-7700k; and the 5900x I now have isn't noticeably faster than the 3700x in anything I do (which is mainly gaming and watching videos).
 

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Ya, This seems to be something I heard a lot of once Zen landed "but intel single core performance is still faster" Great, how many things do you do that are single threaded day to day?
Even if something is multithreaded it is rarely perfect like rendering or some compression; gaming, a lot of compilers, CAD work, can have main thread or some crucial part of the workload singlthreaded that make it still quite relevant, no ?
 
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Single thread is starting to become irrelevant in most applications. It's crazy that Intel can't improve efficiency on 10nm. Hopefully their 7nm will show improvement.
Yeah... Maybe I can finally run Sword of the Stars (2003) past turn 600 without the single core load choking the game into 20 minute turns! Lol! Seems to run pretty damn good on my 5900X, I have gotten up around the 400+ turn mark and it's still playable.

Though the main issue for ancient games is typically the nature of 32bit applications only allowing something like 3.25 GB of RAM to be accessed by the application. You have to patch the executable to use 4GB.

Sins of the Solar Empire is another one of those games that is single threaded and has to be patched to use 4GB of RAM. Its another old single threaded favorite of mine that has some kickass mods for Star Wars & Star Trek space Battles.

One of these days, perhaps, someone will make something multithreaded that doesn't crash in the early late game. I have rarely seen a 4X game run without choking in long play sessions with huge maps.
 
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Man oh man, blast from the past. Better than the 2nd game for sure.
The Second Game was terrible. Some people are still playing it though. I never really got into it, it was such a departure from the original in terms of mechanics and playability.

I just fired up SOTS again a couple days ago to see how it performs on the 5900X and it's really smooth on a 350 Planet Galaxy until around turn 400 or so when empires get huge. Even then, it's still playable.

Looks like Sins of a Solar Empire is getting an engine uplift in Sins II. Multi threaded and 64 Bit. I just stumbled across articles about it when I was looking stuff up just now.... There might be hope if it's not a turd.
 

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The Second Game was terrible. Some people are still playing it though. I never really got into it, it was such a departure from the original in terms of mechanics and playability.

I just fired up SOTS again a couple days ago to see how it performs on the 5900X and it's really smooth on a 350 Planet Galaxy until around turn 400 or so when empires get huge. Even then, it's still playable.
Might have to revisit it again. Was really fun when I was younger.
 
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Might have to revisit it again. Was really fun when I was younger.
I always play the ACM mod from Okim. I think the links are down now, but you can probably find a copy somewhere. If you can't (if you're interested) I will send you a copy of his mod and the 4 GB Patcher.
 

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12900K performance at jsut 65watt if true, it is really quite nice.

All the 7xxx marketing using 12xxxK all the 13xxx using 5xxx and everything on older video card already look strange
 
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I hate to say this, but that 13th Gen Intel kinda looks like they really dialed in the efficiency. Jesus... What is happening here? It's like AMD has become Intel and Intel is becoming AMD... Cat's and Dog's Living Together, Mass Hysteria! A true sign of the upcoming apocalypse
 

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I hate to say this, but that 13th Gen Intel kinda looks like they really dialed in the efficiency. Jesus... What is happening here? It's like AMD has become Intel and Intel is becoming AMD... Cat's and Dog's Living Together, Mass Hysteria! A true sign of the upcoming apocalypse
Just as it's always been. Ebb and flow.
 

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I hate to say this, but that 13th Gen Intel kinda looks like they really dialed in the efficiency. Jesus... What is happening here? It's like AMD has become Intel and Intel is becoming AMD... Cat's and Dog's Living Together, Mass Hysteria! A true sign of the upcoming apocalypse
If Intel marketing is true, a 7950x would still beat a 13900K when both are running at 65 watt in cinebench R23 by 7% and still be a tiny bit more efficient in that type of workload
 

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I haven't been paying too much attention to the 13'th gen stuff but the number of E cores on them has me intrigued. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing those benchmarked and reviewed, the Ryzen 7000 stuff went about how we all expected it to go but I really don't know what to expect from the 13'th gen.
 

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I hate to say this, but that 13th Gen Intel kinda looks like they really dialed in the efficiency. Jesus... What is happening here? It's like AMD has become Intel and Intel is becoming AMD... Cat's and Dog's Living Together, Mass Hysteria! A true sign of the upcoming apocalypse
Interesting. Haven't owned an Intel system since my Q6600. Maybe the time is coming.
 
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Interesting. Haven't owned an Intel system since my Q6600. Maybe the time is coming.
When AMD went tits up on the FX/Piledriver architecture and destroyed their single threaded performance I moved back to Intel for a while. I was pretty happy with both my 8600 (donated to cousin) and 9600 (still in use), absolutely light years ahead of AMD at the time for my use case. They're usually solid processors even if 11th gen was a bit of a stinker. 12th was a pretty good comeback for them, I expect 13th Gen to be a moderate bump over 12th. But I will likely sit all this upgrade mania out until the AM5 platform is mature or Intel delivers another death blow in the form of an unstoppable performance uplift. I have the luxury of sitting on the 5000 series AMD stuff for a while. It's good enough, until something comes out that is stupid evolutionary and fast.
 

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When AMD went tits up on the FX/Piledriver architecture and destroyed their single threaded performance I moved back to Intel for a while. I was pretty happy with both my 8600 (donated to cousin) and 9600 (still in use), absolutely light years ahead of AMD at the time for my use case. They're usually solid processors even if 11th gen was a bit of a stinker. 12th was a pretty good comeback for them, I expect 13th Gen to be a moderate bump over 12th. But I will likely sit all this upgrade mania out until the AM5 platform is mature or Intel delivers another death blow in the form of an unstoppable performance uplift. I have the luxury of sitting on the 5000 series AMD stuff for a while. It's good enough, until something comes out that is stupid evolutionary and fast.
Yeah I wanted to go the 2500k/3570k route, but just didn't have the disposable income. Made a fx6300 budget system. Then Ryzen came out with the guns loaded.

Always looking for bang for buck. Maybe Intel will be the one offering it now.
 
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I love this marketing spin... "Building on a matured Intel 7 process and x86 performance hybrid architecture" You mean 10nm++++? Lol. God do they love milking the shit out of old nodes... If I recall there was an early 10th Gen Laptop Part that came out on 10nm first, a year later the mainstream parts showed up, then 11th gen, then 12th, now 13th gen. They are a bit behind in the foundry business but they did pretty well, eventually, making 10nm not shit.
 

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I love this marketing spin... "Building on a matured Intel 7 process and x86 performance hybrid architecture" You mean 10nm++++? Lol. God do they love milking the shit out of old nodes... If I recall there was an early 10th Gen Laptop Part that came out on 10nm first, a year later the mainstream parts showed up, then 11th gen, then 12th, now 13th gen. They are a bit behind in the foundry business but they did pretty well, eventually, making 10nm not shit.
I honestly lose track of what node Intel is on lol.
 
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Yeah I wanted to go the 2500k/3570k route, but just didn't have the disposable income. Made a fx6300 budget system. Then Ryzen came out with the guns loaded.

Always looking for bang for buck. Maybe Intel will be the one offering it now.
I liked the Phenom II era. A lot. Close to Intel performance, then FX regressed. I should have never gotten rid of my 1100T...
 

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I love this marketing spin... "Building on a matured Intel 7 process and x86 performance hybrid architecture" You mean 10nm++++? Lol. God do they love milking the shit out of old nodes... If I recall there was an early 10th Gen Laptop Part that came out on 10nm first, a year later the mainstream parts showed up, then 11th gen, then 12th, now 13th gen. They are a bit behind in the foundry business but they did pretty well, eventually, making 10nm not shit.
They means the P+E core configuration when referring to it as a hybrid architecture.

Intel's 10nm is just as dense as TSMC N7P (7nm), by the way.
 
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They means the P+E core configuration when referring to it as a hybrid architecture.

Intel's 10nm is just as dense as TSMC N7P (7nm), by the way.
I'm aware of the Intel Density. It's been their claim to fame and their greatest problem for over a decade when introducing new nodes. 10 nm was delayed a million times. I'm less enthused about their P/E core architecture. I will, however, be very interested as those E cores mature. I suspect, at some point in time if Intel keeps working on em, they will be damn near as good as regular P cores.
 

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I'm aware of the Intel Density. It's been their claim to fame and their greatest problem for over a decade when introducing new nodes. 10 nm was delayed a million times. I'm less enthused about their P/E core architecture. I will, however, be very interested as those E cores mature. I suspect, at some point in time if Intel keeps working on em, they will be damn near as good as regular P cores.
Nobody's names and nodes have really matched up since 22nm, and even then it was a bit sketchy but since then it's been a total crapshoot. TSMC and Intel processes are about even now, and yeah Intel screwed the pooch on their 10nm but that was more because they tried to get their GAA stuff off the ground too early. then they delayed themselves by like 3 more generations when they had to rework all their architectures because they found out too late there was no way to make GAA work on 10 or even 7nm as it was. So that delayed their architectures as they had to just refresh their old stuff for the new nodes while they reworked their new stuff for functional nodes. It was a huge blunder that honestly is an article and thread onto itself that has haunted Intel and their design teams for the better part of a decade now.

The E-cores themselves are kind of dope, each core at 12'th gen is faster than the Skylake processors it was designed on which is the most widely used office PC architecture there is going. I have all AMD in my home systems but my work life is basically 99% Intel and the E-cores are noticeable in the systems that have them because they multi-task office productivity stuff like a boss.
 
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Nobody's names and nodes have really matched up since 22nm, and even then it was a bit sketchy but since then it's been a total crapshoot. TSMC and Intel processes are about even now, and yeah Intel screwed the pooch on their 10nm but that was more because they tried to get their GAA stuff off the ground too early. then they delayed themselves by like 3 more generations when they had to rework all their architectures because they found out too late there was no way to make GAA work on 10 or even 7nm as it was. So that delayed their architectures as they had to just refresh their old stuff for the new nodes while they reworked their new stuff for functional nodes. It was a huge blunder that honestly is an article and thread onto itself that has haunted Intel and their design teams for the better part of a decade now.

The E-cores themselves are kind of dope, each core at 12'th gen is faster than the Skylake processors it was designed on which is the most widely used office PC architecture there is going. I have all AMD in my home systems but my work life is basically 99% Intel and the E-cores are noticeable in the systems that have them because they multi-task office productivity stuff like a boss.
I haven't seen a single 12th Gen part at my job aside from the fact that the corporation spans the globe. Their idea of ROI is run shit till it dies. Not a bad way to go, but even their cutting edge systems reflect that someone in the purchasing department has no idea what he/she is doing. They are buying 11th Gen Parts, still, for everything. Tried explaining 11th Gen isn't that good. I could have fired a naval autocannon across their bow and they would have been oblivious. Sometimes I miss running IT departments and then I think about how zero stress this job is and let it go.
 

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I haven't seen a single 12th Gen part at my job aside from the fact that the corporation spans the globe. Their idea of ROI is run shit till it dies. Not a bad way to go, but even their cutting edge systems reflect that someone in the purchasing department has no idea what he/she is doing. They are buying 11th Gen Parts, still, for everything. Tried explaining 11th Gen isn't that good. I could have fired a naval autocannon across their bow and they would have been oblivious. Sometimes I miss running IT departments and then I think about how zero stress this job is and let it go.
11'th gen may be trash but OEMs sell it cheap as dirt, and really you don't need a crapload of power in the average office, the biggest reason I have to replace things right now is the lack of TPM2 modules in the older stuff. It makes a huge difference when dealing with encrypted storage and we've gradually been encrypting everything because oversharing and leaks are a thing. Better to assume the bad actors are already inside and make it hard as hell to export anything than it is to assume they can't get in. But in terms of day to day usage, stick 16gb of ram and a decent NVME/SSD in an old 6th gen and as far as they are concerned they have a whole new top of the line fast as fuck machine, until they access one of the encrypted shares and it takes like 2 minutes to open a document and they are convinced the network is having a problem.
 

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It was a touch of sarcasm. Honestly not sure why you wound't just spend the $15 to get it, it's not like it's not there.
Generally, you get better overclocking headroom on the KS models because of the slight differences in voltage and thermals, but I agree.
 
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