Hynix CJR oc. Won't boot high enough freq.

[Samuraijack23]

Hyper x predator @ 3900 no boot no matter what. Also. What about voltage resistance. Ids it tolerable to voltage high vs low?

As I would want as high freq as possible but shit bin... Kinda aiming at b die results here.

12900k

Anyone had experience ocing such kit? As it behaviors really odd when comes down to max throughput.

 

[pendragon1]

clear the bios and get it booting at stock then set your speed/timings and bump the ram voltage by ~10%

 

[Samuraijack23]

Beyond 3900 dead end. No matter what do.

 

[pendragon1]

then thats that.

 

[dasa]

Try one stick at a time.

 

[Samuraijack23]

I will post later in my results

 

[Samuraijack23]

Rtl IO don't train either as well. Ideas?

 

[pendragon1]

try increasing timings too the first 4/5 in the second pic

 

[Samuraijack23]

Default 69/71

No boot

 

[Samuraijack23]

Something not right

 

[pendragon1]

Default 69/71

No boot

shit sorry, third pic. cas/ras numbers

 

[pendragon1]

Something not right

maybe not, ocing isnt guaranteed. what is the exact kit youre working with?

 

[Samuraijack23]

Something wrong with rtl IO values. Is there a way to tight them?

https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Preda...556&sprefix=hyper+x+predator+,aps,187&sr=8-23

 

[pendragon1]

Something wrong with rtl IO values. Is there a way to tight them?

https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Predator-Technology-HX436C17PB3AK4-32/dp/B07GMYFVJM/ref=mp_s_a_1_23?crid=37DXFSO0YIZ6O&keywords=hyperx+predator+ddr4+3200mhz&qid=1672980556&sprefix=hyper+x+predator+,aps,187&sr=8-23

idk what they are supposed to be. why do you think theyre wrong? worry about getting it working first.
try 3900 20-21-21-21 1.375v

 

[Samuraijack23]

I cant find a way to tight them.

 

[Samuraijack23]

Even with stock xmp

 

[Samuraijack23]

I will settle with xmp and tweak it. But kit is shit

 

[Samuraijack23]

Dam

 

[riev90]

Can you post your thaiphoon burner read on that HyperX kits?
I suspected it's of J-Die or H-Die binned Hynix that's usually loose timings with very poor voltage scaling.

If those kit are made of one of those dies, then you can't further tuning it (3900 is the limit).

 

[Samuraijack23]

switched to the kit above

 

[dasa]

switched to the kit above

A decent bin of b die. should do 4000-4400 c16

 

[Samuraijack23]

This

 

[kirbyrj]

This

Is that 1.66V on the VDimm?

I don't know. I had pretty good luck with CJR as long as I wasn't chasing top speeds. They tightened timings decently. And they are a lot cheaper.

 

[Samuraijack23]

This is un optimize ed run.

Vdim dim does not matter as much

I am pursuing 3900 now.

 

[Samuraijack23]

If u don't abuse b die, u doing it wrong

 

[kirbyrj]

If u don't abuse b die, u doing it wrong

Fair enough.

You might have just had a bad CJR kit.

 

[Samuraijack23]

I found it

But fисk it f4-4000c14d-32gtzn

 

[Samuraijack23]

40k

 

[Samuraijack23]

https://www.dns-shop.ru/product/24c...dent-z-royal-elite-f4-3600c14d-32gtesa-32-gb/

 

[Samuraijack23]

They are same kit as F4-4000C18D-32GTZN so expected mac frequency is same?

 

[riev90]

They are same kit as F4-4000C18D-32GTZN so expected mac frequency is same?

if you already had the 3600 c14, just try tuning it.
the 4000 c18 probably had the same B-Die chip bin.

 

[dasa]

They are same kit as F4-4000C18D-32GTZN so expected mac frequency is same?

Depends on the PCB.
A2 PCB can do ~4400+ while others can struggle to go much over ~4200 but can handle tighter timings better.

 

[Samuraijack23]

FUCK

Impossible to find out

 

[Samuraijack23]

Those are A1 I bet

 

[dasa]

Thaiphoon burner or a look at the PCB will tell you what you have.
Patriot Viper 4400c19 is a cheap A2 but not the best bin of b die so it is hit and miss with how tight you can get the timings. I had a lot of trouble with tRCD on a few of my b die sticks getting negative scaling at high v with 3200c14 A1 and 4400c19 A2.
All 8x8GB sticks did 4000c16 no problem but c15 was a challenge and a few could only do tRCD 17 at 4000.
I tested them all one at a time and even ran my best A1 sticks with the best A2 sticks for a while.

 

[Samuraijack23]

Those are 400$ sticks

They better fucking be good or imam rmaing

 

[Samuraijack23]

This

 

[Samuraijack23]

Anyone wants my hynix?

 

[riev90]

Anyone wants my hynix?

I wish, but I lived far away from you haha

Thaiphoon burner or a look at the PCB will tell you what you have.
Patriot Viper 4400c19 is a cheap A2 but not the best bin of b die so it is hit and miss with how tight you can get the timings. I had a lot of trouble with tRCD on a few of my b die sticks getting negative scaling at high v with 3200c14 A1 and 4400c19 A2.
All 8x8GB sticks did 4000c16 no problem but c15 was a challenge and a few could only do tRCD 17 at 4000.
I tested them all one at a time and even ran my best A1 sticks with the best A2 sticks for a while.

I was a bit lucky then.
Had around 9 in total B-Die bin:
2 are totally shit Patriot Viper 3400 c16 (both limited to 3400mhz c16 1.4v, poor scaling)
2 are shit binned Team kits 3600 c18 (both can do 3800 16-17-17-17-35-52-300 1T 1.45v)
2 are quite good, A2 pcb kit Zadak 2666 c16 and oloy platinum 3600 c16 (can do 3800 14-15-15-15 / 14-14-14-14 1.52v), the zadak one can go as high as 16-8-15-15 trfc 252 1T 1.7v and passed the FS score.

3 are G.Skills: Neo 3600 c16 pcb A2, royal 3600 c16 pcb A2, oc world cup 2016 3600 c16 pcb A0.
The neo can do 4000 14-15-15-15 trfc 270 1T @1.6v, stable without fan.
The Royal can do as high as the zadak one with a bit less voltage.
And the OC World Cup 2016 is still in my possession as my collection, it's the best and cheapest b-die I have along with Zadak (acquired for only $63 each kit)

 

[Samuraijack23]

Plan to upgrade to this