Gran Turismo

I tend not to visit the general forums over at gtplanet too much (hive of gamefaqs level retardedness)... you got a link?
 
I am willing to bet my house that Forza 3 will be a better looking and better playing game, along with more features, better physics and better online.
 
For what it's worth... I disagree (other than online / physics), and do we really need any more of that here?

Seems like every couple of days either this thread or the other goes to shit. :(
 
Bogie 19th said:
I am willing to bet my house that Forza 3 will be a better looking and better playing game, along with more features, better physics and better online.
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As ridiculous I think some of the rabid posters on this topic are, I happen to think gt5 will end up being the definitive racing sim this gen (to steal a little saying from certain people). Reading some people post though, you'd think forza murdered their parents.
 
Well, I am basing my opinion off of GT5p (which is a pretty sad "simulator"). If they completely change and improve everything from GT5p, including the graphics, then I would be wrong. I didn't see much change between GT4p and GT4, so I am not holding my breath. But if they DO, then I will be stoked.
 
Psychotext said:
I tend not to visit the general forums over at gtplanet too much (hive of gamefaqs level retardedness)... you got a link?
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ooh, if you can handle gaf, which is not far off from that gamefaq's level, I'm pretty sure you can handle gtplanet for just few minutes. :rolleyes:
 
GAF has a pretty healthy banning policy and a good balance of crazed fanboys.

Besides, he knows the thread he's talking about... it can't be that difficult to give me a quick link.
 
Bogie 19th said:
I am willing to bet my house that Forza 3 will be a better looking and better playing game, along with more features, better physics and better online.
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Ill take that bet. At least on better looking because from the screens ive seen of forza 3, its still nowhere near as good as GT5:p even. Ive never been sold on forzas physics anyway since i play a lot of sims on PC that are much better. Online forza more than likely will be better, but we still know a lot less about gt5 than forza 3 already.
 
4saken said:
nowhere near as good as GT5:p even
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Such a retarded statement. Sorry, preference is one thing... but that's just stupid. They're both gorgeous looking games and unless you start zooming into replay mode shots there's really f'all between them.
 
Psychotext said:
Such a retarded statement. Sorry, preference is one thing... but that's just stupid. They're both gorgeous looking games and unless you start zooming into replay mode shots there's really f'all between them.
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Did i say forza didnt look good? Dont think so. But since you have a rebuttal/comment on virtually every post here in this thread, i will just assume you are the forza/gt5 know it all and your statements must be correct.

I am that picky about gfx. GT5 car models are still hands down much better looking. Detail up to the drivers and treading just is far superior to forzas modeling. I am sure forza will be a good game, and ill be playing it. I just always have preferred GT over forza.
 
I don't think you'll see sense even if I provide compelling argument here, so I'll just leave it.

Especially as this is the GT thread. :)
 
4saken said:
At least on better looking because from the screens ive seen of forza 3, its still nowhere near as good as GT5:p even. Ive never been sold on forzas physics anyway since i play a lot of sims on PC that are much better. Online forza more than likely will be better
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You are entitled to your opinions.
 
4saken said:
I am that picky about gfx. GT5 car models are still hands down much better looking. Detail up to the drivers and treading just is far superior to forzas modeling. I am sure forza will be a good game, and ill be playing it. I just always have preferred GT over forza.
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So you're fussy about gfx, but what about environments and aliasing, both of which GT5P does crap. People base too many opinions on the previous games in the series, at the end of the day most people come down to "GT5 will be better because I liked GT5P more than FM2", why not wait until the actual games come out before we start bitching about which one is better :p

Even screenshots on the previous page looking at the headlight detail mean nothing. How often during a race will a headlight fill my screen so that I can actually observe details like that? Almost never. Good graphics isn't about the detail you dont even see, its about correctly balancing the things you do see, the compromise between car models, environment detail, texture quality, aliasing, how things look in motion and performance. We wont know which game "wins" in the graphics department until we actually see the games in the flesh, or some proper high res videos which are direct video feeds (not this crappy taken with a camera junk where you lose most the detail, or screenshots and videos which are clearly from photo/replay mode and not the actual in game racing).
 
GT5 should be the better racing game. I mean if the game has been in production for that long compared to Forza 3, I would hope so.
 
Tudz said:
How often during a race will a headlight fill my screen so that I can actually observe details like that? Almost never.
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That's irrelevant anyway in fairness, neither game looks anything like the screenshots we've got floating around here... at least outside of menus and replays.
 
Bogie 19th said:
You are entitled to your opinions.
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You're way on the fringe if you honestly think Forza 3's graphics are better than GT5's. GT5's lighting is simply in another league - with twice as many cars on the grid, higher resolution, 60 FPS exterior and cockpit view. :)
 
Stereophile said:
You're way on the fringe if you honestly think Forza 3's graphics are better than GT5's. GT5's lighting is simply in another league - with twice as many cars on the grid, higher resolution, 60 FPS exterior and cockpit view. :)
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Well GT5 hasn't come out with any actual gameplay footage to know what it looks like, and Forza 3 has either got crappy video camera videos, or screenshots that are obviously in some sort of photomode. If you're talking about GT5P, well, its got aliasing to hell and environments look crap... only the car models look nice (which doesn't mean much when the car is covered in jaggies and is positioned on an ugly track :p ).

You can't do a fair graphical comparison based off the limited information we have. When the games actually come out, if Forza 3 looks worse, I'll be happy to agree, but you can't judge it until its actually out or we have better videos to go off.
 
arr4ws said:
how far away are we from the release of this game? seriously?
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I'm expecting them to announce a date at e3 next year. It's an automatic win for best in show, which has worked for them in the last 2+ showings.
 
There is a big game show in Germany next month. I'd give it a 50/50 chance they announce a date then.
 
Tudz said:
Well GT5 hasn't come out with any actual gameplay footage to know what it looks like, and Forza 3 has either got crappy video camera videos, or screenshots that are obviously in some sort of photomode. If you're talking about GT5P, well, its got aliasing to hell and environments look crap... only the car models look nice (which doesn't mean much when the car is covered in jaggies and is positioned on an ugly track :p ).

You can't do a fair graphical comparison based off the limited information we have. When the games actually come out, if Forza 3 looks worse, I'll be happy to agree, but you can't judge it until its actually out or we have better videos to go off.
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Some people have the magic ability to be able ti discern such details in a hyper accurate way based on 2 minute videos and screenshots.
 
I'm still not entirely convinced weather is coming... but we should know soon enough.
 
Anyone thinking Forza 3 has a chance of having better graphics than GT5 is dreaming.

About the only valid complaint about GT5's graphics compared to Forza 3 is the background scenery. However, we've seen how many tracks ? A handful ? One of the Forza 3 canyon tracks looks great, amazing detail in the distance, but Eiger Norwand looks awesome too.
I hope Grand Canyon is in. My jaw will drop.

Polyphony has an excellent reputation for releasing what you see is what you get footage. They hyped the hell out of Forza 2's graphics and look how that turned out ?

I don't think Turn 10 even believe their game will compete with GT5 on a graphical level. It's funny to hear people holding out hope, acting like it's up in the air until release day.

I can't wait to see new footage at Sony's 3 hour Gamescom press conference. :cool:
 
 
Stereophile said:
Anyone thinking Forza 3 has a chance of having better graphics than GT5 is dreaming.

About the only valid complaint about GT5's graphics compared to Forza 3 is the background scenery. However, we've seen how many tracks ? A handful ? One of the Forza 3 canyon tracks looks great, amazing detail in the distance, but Eiger Norwand looks awesome too.
I hope Grand Canyon is in. My jaw will drop.

Polyphony has an excellent reputation for releasing what you see is what you get footage. They hyped the hell out of Forza 2's graphics and look how that turned out ?

I don't think Turn 10 even believe their game will compete with GT5 on a graphical level. It's funny to hear people holding out hope, acting like it's up in the air until release day.

I can't wait to see new footage at Sony's 3 hour Gamescom press conference. :cool:
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I don't know why I bother. I could write your responses better than you could at this point.
 
Stereophile said:
You're way on the fringe if you honestly think Forza 3's graphics are better than GT5's. GT5's lighting is simply in another league - with twice as many cars on the grid, higher resolution, 60 FPS exterior and cockpit view. :)
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You are on the fringe if you think GT5 is (see what I did there?).

BTW 60 fps cockpit view in F3, here is what we know.:

"The cockpit view was implemented last, and it employs a different lighting model than the other views. Thus it needs way more optimizing than the other views. Dan was there, so I cornered him on this. He says wait until final code. They will get there (FYI, the E3 demo code is about a month old). "

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16168414

"ast week , in the big event of LE MANS , there was a press conference with Dan and a famous french pilot : Stephan Sarrasin . Many questions of the journalist was about " GT5 vs Forza 3 " etc .... But , one journalist asked the question about the cockpit's framerate and the 30 fps ...

Journalist : " Dan you are very proud about that the game run at 60 FPS but a rumour say that the framerate drop at 30 FPS in the cockpit view , it's true or fake ? "

Dan: " 60 FPS is very important for a racing game , the game is still in development and many things will change in the 3 next months...( Dan looks like a little stressed ... ) .But , in fact 60 fps is very important for us. " ( after his response , Dan looks like a little worried ... )

a third part of this french conference here , and the " moment " of this question is at " 8 minutes 40 seconds " . Enjoy !

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/conference+forza+motorsport+3/video/x9ljfe_conference-de-presse-forza-motorspo_videogames"

And here is some details on those who thought the awesome F3 images were bullshots or from photomode:

"Forza 3 Screenshots and Videos. We released a generous helping of Forza Motorsport 3 screenshots and videos this week. If you haven't seen them yet, go check 'em out in our Media Gallery. There are some things you should know about these screenshots. First of all, at Turn 10, we don't bullshot -- which means everything you see here is real-time taken from in-game gameplay. The E3 batch was taken back in early May, and given how the development process works, the game is improving just about daily, so the bottomline is that these screenshots are from a work-in-progress. Naturally, the game will actually look better by the time it comes out later this fall. The reason why you might have mistaken these screenshots as faked, touched-up, or embellished art is because Forza 3 is an exceedingly gorgeous game.


There's really no bigger graphics junkie than myself at Turn 10 and I'm constantly surprised by just how insanely next generation the game looks from a visual standpoint. Not only have the cars themselves gotten much more detailed, our 100+ tracks in the game provide some truly inspired locales to fuel your car passion. Much of the leap in graphical fidelity with Forza 3 was made possible by our game engine developers, whom, in the early days (think summer of 2007) set out to rebuild a new renderer and content pipeline for Forza 3. So just like before, Forza 3 runs at a glassy smooth 60 frames-per-second, with our physics calculating underneath the hood at a much higher framerate. New shaders and tech puts the finishing touches on an already handsome Forza Motorsport 2. Likewise, with the gameplay video, everything was captured in-game with no faked CG whatsoever. At Turn 10, we don't do bullshots.
I'm going to wrap up Forza Pitpass Report #1 (I hit the reset button -- see how that works?) now and get back to the grind at E3 before returning back to Seattle. Enjoy the new site, our new and official Forza 3 forum, as well as all the new screenshots of the game. Check back often as we plan to update y'all on how Forza 3 is shaping up each week from here until release. Thanks for visiting Forzamotorsport.net and I'll talk to you soon. Real soon.
Che Chou
Community Manager
Turn 10 Studios
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This video here shows that NO shots are taken from any photomode. He physically pauses the game whilst playing and spins the camera around. You can see all the detail and how the game actually looks like all the shots. All the screenshots of the cars are actually like that ingame, no photomode brushed up shots have been sent out. This video shows how truly awesome the game looks as a work in progress."


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-motorsport/50496"


Below is an early alpha image taken that was IN GAME, no bullshot, linked directy from forzamotorsport.net





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Thing is, the image you posted there is exactly the same sort of thing. Super duper photo / replay mode employing all sorts of clever trickery.
 
Psychotext said:
Don't be naive. What you see is what you get?
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The discrepancy was far larger with Forza 2. Forza 2 released doctored "actual gameplay" shots.

History has shown Turn 10 exaggerates a lot more than Polyphony when it comes to delivering on graphics promises. They over promise and under deliver. Polyphony is more soft spoken and the graphics speak for itself.

Are you really trying to agree with Technoob and whatever PR dude from Turn 10 that said at E3 Forza 3 had the best graphics of any racer this generation ?
Or did he mean for a month or two before GT5 releases ? :)

I've said repeatedly, I don't know which game will have better gameplay. However the question of graphics is rheorical. In a few months when the [H] review breaks it down, go ahead and say I told you so if by some total miracle Turn 10 pulls a rabbit out of its hat. Creating a game that looks better, somehow overcoming worse car models, lower resolution, prebaked lighting, 30 fps cockpit view, and 8 cars on the grid would be a nice trick. :p
 
I guess that could be true. However, according to Che in what I wrote above, they are not. So I guess they are lying just like PD lies :( But as it stands now...based on what I have seen, F3 is looking much better than GT5p. Unless PD has somehow revamped GT5p graphics from the ground up, I am not so sure.

I just hope GT5 doesn't change the number of cars on the track. I am still banging my head against the wall trying to figure out why we only get 4 cars on the track in GT5 PSP. I will still buy it, but DANG :(
 
Bogie 19th said:
I guess that could be true. However, according to Che in what I wrote above, they are not. So I guess they are lying just like PD lies :(
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No, he's pretty clear about making all the screenshots in photomode.

They're in game, but only in the technical use of the word.

Stereophile said:
Are you really trying to agree with Technoob and whatever PR dude from Turn 10 that said at E3 Forza 3 had the best graphics of any racer this generation ?
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Are you really trying to put words in my mouth?

I'll write here, what I've been writing all along. Anyone that says one of these games looks significantly better than the other, or that one of them looks bad... is a retard.
 
I'll write here, what I've been writing all along. Anyone that says one of these games looks significantly better than the other, or that one of them looks bad... is a retard.
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Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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