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Stereophile

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No I am just trying to learn stereophile

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It´s not me that is trying to prove anything here it´s stereophile that is saying Gran Tourismo 5 have already confirmed having dynamic weather in the game. I never said it doesn´t I have no clue thus I would like to see more reliable sources then stereophile for this. Nothing conclusive so far though but at least not taking from thin air as it appeared in the first place.

Wow you've retreated quite a bit from your earlier assertion.

It was you who said it was cosmetic only, based on absolutely no proof other than your perveted attempt to skew the article. Once again, Kaz was asked about the graphics and he said the graphics for the weather and damage are coming along, and somehow you took that to mean weather is cosmetic only ?

I'm not the one stating my opinion as fact. I KNEW dynamic weather was in the game and wasn't only cosmetic. As clearly the facts have shown I knew what I was talking about and you were just trolling.

Technoob, I'm not going to apologize for giving Forza 3 no respect. Cry some moar.
 

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Technoob, I'm not going to apologize for giving Forza 3 no respect. Cry some moar.

Eh? I think you have a complex dude. I never said any game deserved any respect, never said a word about weather, and actually said repeatedly that I think GT5 will likely be the best racing sim ever. Start making shit up about which of two unreleased game's features that nobody has played based on nothing but your own hopes for one of those games, and yeah I'll call out the fact that you are making shit up. (see: GT5's damage model is damage "done right" when nobody's touched either game, and even the basic feature set isn't even announced)

But seriously, you really need to project your insecurity onto someone else. Someone pointing out your overzealous hyping doesn't mean they're shitting on GT, or praising forza, it's just pointing out how big of a cheerleader you're being for your favorite brand name. Have fun with that.
 

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Forza's damage model is a joke:

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Nothing at all controversial about me saying GT5's damage will be superior in quality (graphics+realism) Everything else we know about GT5 is higher quality.



I told you, GT5's car models are not simply surfaces of polygons. They are composed of realistic models of individual parts. They were designed with damage in mind. Have you seen the video I recommended several pages back ?
They are simulating the damage to a higher standard hence it only affecting "race cars". Educate yourself before criticizing me. Polyphony Digital have far more talent, resources, and time invested in GT5 than you likely realize.

I'm not pointing any fingers, but many people appear eager for GT5 to fail and I'm not sure why. Wait, GT is Playstation's #1 franchise of all time. Ah, there it is. ;)

:D

Glad to see we're back to discussing damage. At least it's a conversation, or topic of comparison, since both games have it. The dynamic weather brings out the jealousy and pathetic justifications to diminish the exclusive feature.

Can't wait to hear and see more about the day/night cycle. Who will be crazy enough to attempt the 24 hours of Le Mans ? I wonder if the headlights are automatic or user controllable ?

I want to flash my brights and attempt the nordschleife at night. spooky :cool:
 

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What's the big thing about that gif?

Also, Stereophile, you're getting so far ahead of yourself that you're going to end up looking stupid. It's one thing to be confident a game, it's quite another to become a zealot for it before you even know what's coming.

I don't think anything is going to stop the bitchy catfest you and Technoob have going on though. Short of a mod finding this thread anyway.
 

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What's the big thing about that gif?

Also, Stereophile, you're getting so far ahead of yourself that you're going to end up looking stupid. It's one thing to be confident a game, it's quite another to become a zealot for it before you even know what's coming.

That gif was all over forums like neogaf after E3...I guess the haters idea is that a rollover like that can't happen with real physics, then a dozen people posted gifs or youtube vids of cars doing just that in races. Not to mention that in games you can turn of or adjust damage. But none of that matters, the gif tells all. It's just another meme - one gif = full game, whether it's GT's damage model, which from 2 seconds of bent hood we can determine the full capabilities of that engine and how it's perfect, or 3 seconds of rollover which tell us everything we ever need to know about forza's engine and how terrible it is.

As for stereophile embarrassing himself:

"Forza 3 is a sand castle on the beach before the tsunami known as
Gran Turismo 5."

I'd be really embarrassed if I posted something as laughable as this. Unless I was on someone's payroll.
 
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This thread doesn't really matter anyway, because forza and GT have both been eclipsed officially.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365095

next gen begins now

You win.

And as far as this arguement goes, as logical as any of you seem to sound you two are just turning it into a Playstation 3 vs Xbox 360 arguerment... that's all this is about. I love both games, but to me I grew up with Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo set the standard for car simulations to me. Everything since then has just been built upon that. I played Forza 2 and liked it... and am really looking forward to playing GT5. I think it's going to be epic. I honestly don't know anything about Forza 3, but i'm sure it'll be great too.

You guys are getting waaaay to caught up in the details.

Does anyone know if in the PSP Gran Turismo there are in-car views? And also, if anyone has any additional info on it that would be cool b/c we finally have a release day for it but not a lot of info (unless I missed something).
 

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It's one thing to be confident a game, it's quite another to become a zealot for it before you even know what's coming.

I'm talking about the awesomeness of GT5 in the GT thread.

Hey you found out the game has dynamic weather. The other two antagonists are "thread crashers". One feels the need to alert us the "Forza devs throw down the gauntlet" and another tries slamming GT5 with ramblings the weather is only a nice graphic effect and doesn't affect handling.

Really if you want to blame anyone for stirring it up, talk to Turn 10. The E3 presentation was over the top. "the definitive" etc..The suit's body language didn't come across well. Watch the tells delivering his lines.. However,'GT is old and stale and we're the new standard' meme is a good marketing technique. They had to do something to get attention, but I don't think many but the most rabid X360 fans buy the line Forza 3 will be definitive over GT5.

I need a G25 but might settle for the Driving Force GT. Other than the shifter, and loss of clutch pedal, I wonder how the wheel and force feedback compare? On-the-fly adjustment is intriguing.
 

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Does anyone know if in the PSP Gran Turismo there are in-car views? And also, if anyone has any additional info on it that would be cool b/c we finally have a release day for it but not a lot of info (unless I missed something).

We're in a draught of info. Rumor is they held back at E3 for a double whammy PS3 Slim/GT 5 annouce date reveal.

I'm sure the PSP will interact with GT5. Kaz has already said he wants the cars to be interchangable between garages on GT5 and mobile. I remember reading the rear view mirror thing too. For online racing, it could be indispensable. If they pull it off, I'll buy a PSP. :cool:
 

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It´s just the Forza 3 or GT 5 zealots that manage to crash this thread. I actually got you to post some info in here. As mentioned you posted to the cosmetic weather interview yourself and then you get pissed of at me. Trying to start some flame war with all kinds of name calling lol.

And no it´s still not confirmed neither in the second interview so most of your "facts" is still just wet dreams as of now :)
 

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I'm talking about the awesomeness of GT5 in the GT thread.

One feels the need to alert us the "Forza devs throw down the gauntlet".

Wow, it's amazing how you see posts but don't read them. I was totally hyping up the quote because I'm all about the forza devs :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

allow myself to quote...myself "tugging on superman's cape is usually not a good idea."
 

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Well to bring it back on track what is your favourite car in the Prologue to drive?
 

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Well to bring it back on track what is your favourite car in the Prologue to drive?

There's an update for GT5: Prologue called Spec III. I just randomly looked at this website for Prologue and noticed it. Anyone know what's in the update?

http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/

Here's a link to the cars in Gran Turismo 5: Prologue

http://us.playstation.com/granturismo/products_carlist_pro.asp

I would say my favorite out of all of those is probably the Nissan R35 GT-R.

Here's some facts about Gran Turismo Portable I just dug up

Key Features:
Slick Visuals --Runs on a new graphics engine designed for the PSP® system that delivers stunning visuals at a crisp 60 frames per second.

Depth and Variety -- Up to 800 licensed vehicles from international automakers by completing challenges, races, and sharing and trading with friends

Hit the Road -- Race on more than 30 licensed and fictional tracks, with 60 track layouts total

Bragging Rights -- Prove your driving skills against up to four friends in matches using ad hoc mode.

Source: http://us.playstation.com/granturismo/products_gtpsp_home.asp
 

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I guess the haters idea is that a rollover like that can't happen with real physics

I don't think the damage model looks realistic. That car hit a brick wall at high speed, rolled over and the only visual cue is it lost the driver's side mirror ? Why isn't the hood dented up ? There should be radiator steam etc..
The gif ends too soon, but it looks like the car is about to carry on its merry way. funny.
 
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If you own a PS3 you will prefer GT5.
If you own a 360 you will prefer Forza3

/thread
 

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I don't think the damage model looks realistic. That car hit a brick wall at high speed, rolled over and the only visual cue is it lost the driver's side mirror ? Why isn't the hood dented up ? There should be radiator steam etc..
The gif ends too soon, but it looks like the car is about to carry on its merry way. funny.
It's not being played in simulation mode Stereophile. I guess you didn't play Forza 2 but if you don't put sim damage on you just get scratches and minor damage over your car and you can drive away from pretty much any crash.

If sim damage was on, the car would have been mush (smashed windows, crushed front) and it would have been race over. There still wouldn't have been any cabin deformation though, the manufacturers don't allow it.

If you own a PS3 you will prefer GT5.
If you own a 360 you will prefer Forza3

/thread
I own both and I'm looking forward to both just as much as each other. It always makes me laugh to hear people talking about them like they're completely different games, and that one is crap whereas the other rocks etc.

:D
 

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SDF and Stereophile are in full defense mode. They are shaking in their boots because an Xbox game might be better than a PS3 game. If Forza 3 was coming on the PS3 instead of Xbox, and GT was coming on Xbox instead of PS3, we all know that stereo would be pimping Forza ;)

Oes Noes
 
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I own both and I'm looking forward to both just as much as each other. It always makes me laugh to hear people talking about them like they're completely different games, and that one is crap whereas the other rocks etc.

:D

Agreed, a true racing sim fan would look forward to both.
 

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Or the racing game on the PS3 may be better than the racing game on the 360. Or the 360 may be better. You won't know till we have a review or the actual FULL games in hand imho.
While speculating may be fun at times, it just turns into flame-bait....:rolleyes:
 

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Reviews will likely be mostly irrelevant. These are games which score around 90%... there's never really anything in it.
 

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I havnet played the Prologue yet, but if GT5's AI is better then the horrible blind AI from the past, GT5 will be good. I can use my G25 wheel with PS3. X360 does not have any good wheels, therefore, I cannot enjoy a sim on it as much as the PS3.

</Waits in anticipation>
 

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The E3 video revealed AI improvements. Like the AI cars which swerved to avoid the accident, some driving off the track up into the grass.

I saw a scan on gametrailers this morning. The latest French official playstation magazine is saying GT5 is releasing in 2009 for Christmas. One way or the other, I believe we'll get an official date towards the end of summer. There is a big show in Germany in August and another comng up in Tokyo during September.
 

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I'll believe the so-called 'AI improvements' when I see them. I'm not all that concerned with that though, I'll still 100% the single player campaign or die trying. It'll still be single player GT awesomeness and decent practice with tuning and time trials for the real deal, online league racing.

I'm most concerned with how PD will implement the online multiplayer components of the game. If they botch the multiplayer options in GT5... game, set, match. Those are the details I'm most interested in because as of today's information, Turn10 has a crushing win in that department.

With what I've managed to catch in online rumour posts and such, PS Home might make or break the GT community (the average community, not those of us registered in GT5p leagues already :p) and that prospect is pretty frightening. :eek:
 

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The E3 video revealed AI improvements. Like the AI cars which swerved to avoid the accident, some driving off the track up into the grass.

I saw a scan on gametrailers this morning. The latest French official playstation magazine is saying GT5 is releasing in 2009 for Christmas. One way or the other, I believe we'll get an official date towards the end of summer. There is a big show in Germany in August and another comng up in Tokyo during September.

you seem to be extrapolating quite a bit of super detailed conclusions based on trailers
 

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Not so: http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=250&lang=en

Better than the G25, and works on the 360, PC and PS3. Not cheap though.

Back on topic. I really hope the licence tests make a return. I really enjoyed them.

Actually, I'm going with the stance that there are no good wheels available for the Xbox 360. You can't buy that wheel in Australia and its a limited run and the shipping dates are months away. You can buy a G25 anywhere, almost any computer store.
 

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Not so: http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=250&lang=en

Better than the G25, and works on the 360, PC and PS3. Not cheap though.

Back on topic. I really hope the licence tests make a return. I really enjoyed them.

I actually havent heard good things about this porsche wheel from the iracing crowd. As in the g25 is still preferred, unless going custom wheel route which is always the best, but not monetarily feasible for most of us. Definitely better than the 360 wheel however, which is poor at best.


So imo, g25 for ps3/pc still best route to go and just skip the sim games on 360 due to this. Im not buying 2 wheels for all my systems.
 

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I actually havent heard good things about this porsche wheel from the iracing crowd.
That's impressive... given only review sites and some beta testers have got their hands on it. The stock pedals aren't as good as the ones on the G25, but then if you buy the clubsport pedals it's not an issue.

They talk about the new version here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvaIK7prCg

The older version is reviewed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tgjMq9tJA

If you look on the Fanatec site you'll find it's not actually out for real until September. As far as getting two wheels... that's exactly the reason why I never bought the G25 in the first place.
 
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That's impressive... given only review sites and some beta testers have got their hands on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvaIK7prCg

The older version is reviewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tgjMq9tJA

If you look on the Fanatec site you'll find it's not actually out for real until September. As far as getting two wheels... that's exactly the reason why I never bought the G25 in the first place.

ah my bad i thought this was the old porsche wheel setup. should have read more, thanks for links!
 

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Back on topic, which show do people reckon will give us the release date?

GDC / GamesCom (Cologne, Germany) in August
or
TGS (Tokyo, Japan) In September
 
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