GPU prices — is the worst behind us ?

GoldenTiger said:
Oh, I did, it still was badly formulated. Please explain teacher, I need extra credit. ;)
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It was explained. If You wanna think I have a problem with people selling their cards and buying new like the other genius did, knock yourself out. 😉
 
serpretetsky said:
He's pointing out that if you buy used at presumably also inflated prices then you are still supporting the high prices indirectly. Used prices are usually still a function of the new price. In that case and in the context of kirbyrj's recommendation to "buy used i guess" that might be a bad idea.
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You're making the assumption that you are buying used at inflated prices. I agree that buying used at inflated prices doesn't help, but buying used at reasonable prices does.

And as for the other guy, I don't even know why you bother with him. I put him on ignore a long time ago.
 
Guesstimated prices for AMD cards (by September 2023)

Cut down Navi 32 (12 GB 48 CU) ~? between RX 6800 non-XT and RX 6800 XT ~~== $500

Top end Navi 33 (8 GB 32 CU) ~? between RX 6700 XT & RX 6750 XT ~~== $330 - $350

Cut down Navi 33 (8 GB 28 CU) ~?= RX 6700 non-XT ~~== $280 - $300

(hoping for) Further cut down Navi 33 (6GB 20-24 CU) ~? >= RX 6650 XT ~~== $220 - $240

RX 6500 XT 4GB == $160 primarily for system builders
RX 6400 XT 4GB == $140 ( for those looking for board powered option )

Marees said:
Speculation by 3d centre:

Radeon RX 7000 vs. GeForce RTX 40 (speculative) performance prediction, based on known perf of already released SKUs and chip data of not yet released SKUs.

https://m-3dcenter-org.translate.go...0-xt?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB

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Marees said:
A look at the current graphics card market reveals a development that can now be called clearly positive compared to two weeks ago. — as per an analysis by 3dCenter.org of GPU prices
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The question that arises from this is, of course, how sustainable this development is - or whether this would not simply level out the additional price exaggerations from mid-May and then nothing further (downwards). The delivery quantities cautiously speak a different language, apparently now substantially more goods are arriving. This was indicated by a tweet from VideoCardz during the week . Of course, everything now depends on whether these delivery quantities of the completed week can subsequently become permanent. Only then can the mountain of demand that has been pent up for several months be removed - which will then break out as soon as street prices drop to a reasonably tolerable levelshould .

3DCenter.org (@3DCenter_org) Tweeted:

https://twitter.com/3DCenter_org/status/1399312198489411590?s=20
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https://hardforum.com/threads/intel...g-and-xe2-hpg-graphics-architectures.2025389/

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People need to understand, holding back supply so prices doesn't drop is not price fixing, and isn't illegal. Now when you conspire with a "rival" to do it, then yeah you get illegal price fixing.
 

Best Buy Holds a Fire Sale for RTX 30-Series Founders Edition Cards​


https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...sale-for-rtx-30-series-founders-edition-cards

It’s been reported that manufacturers are “under-shipping” products, letting AMD, Intel, and Nvidia keep prices high and volume low. However, something changed this week because Best Buy took a blowtorch to that model. In what can only be described as a fire sale, Best Buy cut prices so drastically for Nvidia RTX 30-series GPUs they sounded like typos. The sale is over now, but this leads us to wonder what was the catalyst for such a drastic move.

It’s a good sign that Best Buy felt it needed to take drastic action to clear the channel of old inventory. That can only mean new hardware is incoming, likely in the same price categories as the cards it slashed prices. That could mean an RTX 4060 and an RTX 4070 GPU are in the pipeline. However, with the RTX 4070 Ti selling for $799, we’re guessing the “midrange” GPUs will now be around $500.

TaintedSquirrel said:
30 series FE clearance at BB. Selling out fast, must have nearby availability.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia...rk-platinum-and-black/6429442.p?skuId=6429442
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia...rd-titanium-and-black/6429440.p?skuId=6429440
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-titanium-and-black/6502626.p?skuId=6502626
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Marees said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 GPUs See Huge Price Cuts At BestBuy: 3090 Ti For $880, 3080 Ti For $720, 3080 For $420, 3070 For $300 US​


https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce...80-us-3080-ti-720-us-3080-420-us-3070-300-us/

The cards in particular are the Founders Edition variants which have been out in the market for over two years now.
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Marees said:
It’s a good sign that Best Buy felt it needed to take drastic action to clear the channel of old inventory. That can only mean new hardware is incoming, likely in the same price categories as the cards it slashed prices.
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We will find out whether this is accurate but I don't think it is. Those FEs were unicorns months before this fire sale. I hadn't seen a 3060 Ti FE available since late December. Don't even remember the last time I saw a 3080 or 3070 FE for sale. All of the other brands' 3060s 3060 Tis, and 3070s are still massively overpriced at Best Buy.
 
Marees said:

something changed this week because Best Buy took a blowtorch to that model.​

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unfortunately one model they didn't change was the whole order online, pick up locally, but online stock depended on local stock. Translation: If you live near any sort of large city with a potential computer base those cards were already long gone or said fire sale lasted a little longer than how long a single match lasts. Part of me thinks if they simply shipped cards to anyone who was willing to buy them they could have sold out of all the old inventory without needing to fire sale anything.
 
My assumption is RTX 4070 and 4060 are in production. It sounds like April (lame) for a release date for those.
 
Flogger23m said:
My assumption is RTX 4070 and 4060 are in production. It sounds like April (lame) for a release date for those.
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Their GTC Keynote is March 21’st so an announcement there for an April launch makes sense. It’s the way TSMC’s production schedule works. Besides around Easter is when consumer spending picks up. Releasing before then falls in the post Christmas spending drought.
 
Flogger23m said:
My assumption is RTX 4070 and 4060 are in production. It sounds like April (lame) for a release date for those.
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I'm going to throw out my guesses for this gens pricing. The 4070ti is $800 (unicorn price), so I'm expecting a 4070 for $700, and a 4060 for $500 (need to leave that $100 range for the 4060ti!) ... yeah fuck it, I'm out if this ends up being the norm.
 
sfsuphysics said:
I'm going to throw out my guesses for this gens pricing. The 4070ti is $800 (unicorn price), so I'm expecting a 4070 for $700, and a 4060 for $500 (need to leave that $100 range for the 4060ti!) ... yeah fuck it, I'm out if this ends up being the norm.
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But duuuude, it's such a steal if we just compare it to last gen's $2000 gpu! Just make a terrible value halo card every gen and we can make next gen bad prices look like a deal of a lifetime. Repeat every cycle now.
 
NightReaver said:
But duuuude, it's such a steal if we just compare it to last gen's $2000 gpu! Just make a terrible value halo card every gen and we can make next gen bad prices look like a deal of a lifetime. Repeat every cycle now.
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It's a steal compared to the $1200 3080ti too ;).
 
NightReaver said:
Also a bad price. Hey whatever, people want to turn mid tier cards into nearly 4 figures be my guest. Gotta protect those margins, lol.
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X70 cards weren't "mid tier" ever, and x80ti were always high end hence the pricing. Margins? Who cares about their margins? I don't own any Nvidia stock, do you?
 
GoldenTiger said:
It's a steal compared to the $1200 3080ti too ;).
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This is true so I have to ‘like’ it, but as somebody who paid north of $1200 for their 3080TI is there an option for “I wholeheartedly agree with the statement and resent you for putting in writing my shame I thought I could take to the grave”?

I feel the “Like” button here wholly insufficient for the meaning I need to convey.
 
Lakados said:
This is true so I have to ‘like’ it, but as somebody who paid north of $1200 for their 3080TI is there an option for “I wholeheartedly agree with the statement and resent you for putting in writing my shame I thought I could take to the grave”?

I feel the “Like” button here wholly insufficient for the meaning I need to convey.
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Hehe, though if you got it relatively early you did get a lot of extra use out of it :).
 
Lakados said:
Their GTC Keynote is March 21’st so an announcement there for an April launch makes sense. It’s the way TSMC’s production schedule works. Besides around Easter is when consumer spending picks up. Releasing before then falls in the post Christmas spending drought.
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Yeah it makes sense, but I recall some GPUs being released in previous years around Jan/Feb but I might not remember correctly. I was hoping to have something new around March before all the new games I am interested come out.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
GoldenTiger said:
X70 cards weren't "mid tier" ever, and x80ti were always high end hence the pricing. Margins? Who cares about their margins? I don't own any Nvidia stock, do you?
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Well now they are. We have 70ti, 80, 80ti, 90, 90ti and possibly Titan. A 70 is smack in the middle in terms of performance. It used to be a higher end card, but now it is more like a GTX 460. But with a bigger price tag of course.
 
Flogger23m said:
Yeah it makes sense, but I recall some GPUs being released in previous years around Jan/Feb but I might not remember correctly. I was hoping to have something new around March before all the new games I am interested come out.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Nvidia and AMD both just aim for key dates and negotiate with TSMC for production times that let them meet those dates, it's a tricky balancing act.
 
XenIneX said:
*60 is mid-tier. *70 is enthusiast, but the price/performance ratio occasionally makes it a tempting pick for mid-tier buyers.
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Steam hardware surveys indicate that it's not as tempting for mid-tier buyers as Nvidia would like. 3 of the top 5 desktop cards are x60s and the top mobile is also a x60 based GPU. So 4 of the top 6 are x60 and the top card overall is a GTX 1650. That should tell you all you need to know about where the "middle tier" is. If you add in the 3060Ti, you're looking at 5 of the top 7 and roughly 30% of Steam's overall GPU share.
 
XenIneX said:
*60 is mid-tier. *70 is enthusiast, but the price/performance ratio occasionally makes it a tempting pick for mid-tier buyers.
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And here I thought "enthusiast" was the person who always was leading the charge with the latest and greatest, i.e. *80 and above.
 
sfsuphysics said:
And here I thought "enthusiast" was the person who always was leading the charge with the latest and greatest, i.e. *80 and above.
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I figure enthusiasm is a state of mind, and it's less about how much you spend, but how much you love and adore, research and optimize your hardware.
A rich person can easily buy the most expensive hardware, but if they don't even obsess over their BIOS settings, then they just aren't as enthusiastic as someone who does.
 
The only thing all of this makes me wish I had done differently was go with a really nice GSync Compatible/Freesync HDR 1080p monitor instead of upping to 1440p. Could have saved so very much money, and my tired old eyes can't really see the difference any more.
 
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