Denuvo Performance Hit in Devil May Cry 5 Tested

[Viper87227]

Someone make sure I understand this correctly... everyone is mad because the game takes a performance hit at 480p? Which makes sense, cause of course we're all playing at 480p, right?

Until someone shows up with 1080p/1440p/2160p benchmarks showing a measurable performance hit, this is little more than click bait meant to play on everyone's tendency to hate Denuvo just because it's Denuvo, even if it's not hurting them.

 

[DukenukemX]

The pirate anime guy is a fucking idiot with no understanding of the industry.

Don't point out why you think he's a fucking idiot. The point is he's not happy with streaming services having exclusive rights to shows and wants to force them to improve their service by pirating. If Netflix has exclusives that they know you want and nobody else offers then Netflix has no incentive to improve their service. You know like how Netflix won't stream at 4k unless the Moon, Earth, Sun, and Jupiter all line up perfectly.

Someone make sure I understand this correctly... everyone is mad because the game takes a performance hit at 480p? Which makes sense, cause of course we're all playing at 480p, right?

That means Denuvo uses a lot of CPU attention. You can see this easily with 480p since you're less CPU limited. Not a big deal for people with powerful CPU's but maybe a 7% difference for those with weak CPU's like an Intel i3 or an old AMD FX chip.

Until someone shows up with 1080p/1440p/2160p benchmarks showing a measurable performance hit, this is little more than click bait meant to play on everyone's tendency to hate Denuvo just because it's Denuvo, even if it's not hurting them.

Or you could read about how Denuvo adds significant loading time and adds like another 100MB to the executable for no reason. Also, why are you defending this shit? We didn't like it when we needed to put CD's in our PC and we don't like Denuvo now. Look at this shit, and it isn't 480p like some people claim. Denuvo is all CPU side, it does nothing GPU side.

 

[Derangel]

Don't point out why you think he's a fucking idiot. The point is he's not happy with streaming services having exclusive rights to shows and wants to force them to improve their service by pirating. If Netflix has exclusives that they know you want and nobody else offers then Netflix has no incentive to improve their service. You know like how Netflix won't stream at 4k unless the Moon, Earth, Sun, and Jupiter all line up perfectly.

And that is exactly why he is a fucking idiot. No, piracy will NOT "force" streaming services to improve. Its a lazy, bullshit excuse. As for exclusives, meh. $10 a month for VRV and $6 a month for Funimation and you've got 90% of all currently active anime licences in the US. Netflix occasionally gets something notable, but that's maybe once or twice a year. Children whining about having to pay for streaming services in order to have access to literally thousands of titles is insane. I grew up in the damn 90s where it was considered lucky to pay less than $10 per episode to get shows on VHS, assuming you could find VHS to buy and assuming when you found them it was more than DBZ. Needing two services at under $20 a month to get more anime than I can could ever watch in multiple lifetimes? Sign me the fuck up.

 

[DukenukemX]

And that is exactly why he is a fucking idiot. No, piracy will NOT "force" streaming services to improve. Its a lazy, bullshit excuse. As for exclusives, meh. $10 a month for VRV and $6 a month for Funimation and you've got 90% of all currently active anime licences in the US.

He literally cancels $300 per years worth of subscriptions and donates it to charity and he still keeps Netflix. So it isn't just $16 a month for some people. If Disney makes their own service, and Microsoft, and Sony, and etc then this will get very expensive fast for some people. Rather than working on the service these people are worried about exclusive content. As a PC gamer who didn't get God of War and Red Dead Redemption 2 I can agree. I'm not about to pay a monthly fee to play games cause developers didn't want to port their games to PC. Especially not going to buy outdated hardware from 2013 to play these games.

Pirate until they get their act together.

Netflix occasionally gets something notable, but that's maybe once or twice a year. Children whining about having to pay for streaming services in order to have access to literally thousands of titles is insane. I grew up in the damn 90s where it was considered lucky to pay less than $10 per episode to get shows on VHS, assuming you could find VHS to buy and assuming when you found them it was more than DBZ. Needing two services at under $20 a month to get more anime than I can could ever watch in multiple lifetimes? Sign me the fuck up.

The point being missed here is why pay for $300 worth of streaming services to get what used to cost $240 a month with cable? BTW that's exactly how much my uncle pays for his Spectrum service to watch TV. The worst part is that they offer an app for both PC and mobile devices that doesn't need a cable box that eats more electricity than a refrigerator and costs $10 per month each box. The apps don't work on TV as they made sure it has to be a phone or tablet.

As great as it sounds to have access to thousands of titles, people don't care. I have a narrow band of interests and like maybe a handful of shows and movies. Most of which I'll never watch twice. This is the same problem people had with music CD that cost $25 when you only really wanted one song. Nobody cares what it offers, I want one thing. Hence why music CDs died off and now you can buy a song for like 44 cents. Game streaming services can offer me every game ever made, but I consider 99% of games to be complete shit. Of the 1% that aren't complete shit, most I'd only ever play once and never again cause these games were meh.

 

[Derangel]

He literally cancels $300 worth of subscriptions and donates it to charity and he still keeps Netflix. So it isn't just $16 a month for some people. If Disney makes their own service, and Microsoft, and Sony, and etc then this will get very expensive fast for some people. Rather than working on the service these people are worried about exclusive content. As a PC gamer who didn't get God of War and Red Dead Redemption 2 I can agree. I'm not about to pay a monthly fee to play games cause developers didn't want to port their games to PC. Especially not going to buy outdated hardware from 2013 to play these games.

Pirate until they get their act together.

The point being missed here is why pay for $300 worth of streaming services to get what used to cost $240 a month with cable? BTW that's exactly how much my uncle pays for his Spectrum service to watch TV. The worst part is that they offer an app for both PC and mobile devices that doesn't need a cable box that eats more electricity than a refrigerator and costs $10 per month each box. The apps don't work on TV as they made sure it has to be a phone or tablet.

As great as it sounds to have access to thousands of titles, people don't care. I have a narrow band of interests and like maybe a handful of shows and movies. Most of which I'll never watch twice. This is the same problem people had with music CD that cost $25 when you only really wanted one song. Nobody cares what it offers, I want one thing. Hence why music CDs died off and now you can buy a song for like 44 cents. Game streaming services can offer me every game ever made, but I consider 99% of games to be complete shit. Of the 1% that aren't complete shit, most I'd only ever play once and never again cause these games were meh.

Why do you assume you need to pay for EVERY service all at once? You can't watch everything on every service at the same time. Watch what you want, cancel, move on. The whole idea of "I need to pay for all of these services every single month" is bonkers. You are applying a cable TV mentality to streaming. Don't do that, never do that. There is zero reason what so ever to subscribe to every service that might have something you want to watch. Its a ridiculous argument to make.

 

[DukenukemX]

Why do you assume you need to pay for EVERY service all at once? You can't watch everything on every service at the same time. Watch what you want, cancel, move on. The whole idea of "I need to pay for all of these services every single month" is bonkers. You are applying a cable TV mentality to streaming. Don't do that, never do that. There is zero reason what so ever to subscribe to every service that might have something you want to watch. Its a ridiculous argument to make.

The point is when it comes to streaming I'd rather the content makers worry about content and the content supplier to work on supplying. But because most content providers are also content produces this creates a conflict on interest and both suffer from a lack of giving a shit. So like Netflix costs like what $11 a month plus tax it comes to nearly $12 a month or $144 a year. That's a lot for a service that randomly removes videos and won't allow me to receive 4k video unless I have the right OS, browser, and hardware. God forbid they have a Kodi plugin. Where a torrent and Plex will allow me to get exactly what I want delivered how I want. I could cancel it and wait until something good pops up or just torrent.

 

[Derangel]

The point is when it comes to streaming I'd rather the content makers worry about content and the content supplier to work on supplying. But because most content providers are also content produces this creates a conflict on interest and both suffer from a lack of giving a shit. So like Netflix costs like what $11 a month plus tax it comes to nearly $12 a month or $144 a year. That's a lot for a service that randomly removes videos and won't allow me to receive 4k video unless I have the right OS, browser, and hardware. God forbid they have a Kodi plugin. Where a torrent and Plex will allow me to get exactly what I want delivered how I want. I could cancel it and wait until something good pops up or just torrent.

I think it will eventually get to that point with traditional media, a small handful of streaming services handling the majority of content though there will still be exclusives. There are always going to be exclusives as they are in the best interests of the companies running the services. If, for example, Amazon spends a couple million dollars per episode on their new Lord of the Rings series (no idea if they will, but it gets the point across) then it is in Amazon's best interest to keep it on their platform and use it to drive subscriptions.

 

[Flogger23m]

Lots of DLC? Pirate it
Costs $60? Pirate it

Those are some cheapskate reasons. Which isn't surprising because again, most people pirate because they can get away with it. Which is true for almost anything. If we could download a car, we all would.

 

[Viper87227]

That means Denuvo uses a lot of CPU attention. You can see this easily with 480p since you're less CPU limited. Not a big deal for people with powerful CPU's but maybe a 7% difference for those with weak CPU's like an Intel i3 or an old AMD FX chip.

I understand the purpose of using a low resolution to demonstrate the impact on your CPU. But if it has no real world implications... who cares?

This is little more than a lame excuse for people to pirate games because they are too cheap to support the industry they pretend to be passionate about.

 

[Derangel]

I understand the purpose of using a low resolution to demonstrate the impact on your CPU. But if it has no real world implications... who cares?

This is little more than a lame excuse for people to pirate games because they are too cheap to support the industry they pretend to be passionate about.

Having some solid answers is good for everyone really. The only comprehensive, and valid, testing I've ever seen on Denuvo games is from Overlord Gaming so its nice to see Digital Foundry poke at a game and see what they find. It probably won't amount to more than what we already know, it varies game to game, but giving the consumer information is never a bad thing. If you read the article, they said they plan to do more testing with the game to see what they find.

 

[Ebernanut]

I understand the purpose of using a low resolution to demonstrate the impact on your CPU. But if it has no real world implications... who cares?

This is little more than a lame excuse for people to pirate games because they are too cheap to support the industry they pretend to be passionate about.

Except that while this game isn't CPU intensive there are others with denuvo that are, this is just one where they were actually able to definitively test it. For instance Deus Ex:MD, even with a 2700x I can't maintain 60fps and it appears to be a cpu bottleneck.

 

[DrDoU]

Got mine running 4k hdr if it is taking a performance hit i can't tell this game looks friggin good.

 

[DukenukemX]

I understand the purpose of using a low resolution to demonstrate the impact on your CPU. But if it has no real world implications... who cares?

This is little more than a lame excuse for people to pirate games because they are too cheap to support the industry they pretend to be passionate about.

Does nobody see the photo I posted? It's clearly the game running not at 480p getting a lower frame rate. It's clearly having an effect. More testing is obviously needed but we've seen Denuvo have a performance impact on games before, so why doubt it this time?

 

[Derangel]

Does nobody see the photo I posted? It's clearly the game running not at 480p getting a lower frame rate. It's clearly having an effect. More testing is obviously needed but we've seen Denuvo have a performance impact on games before, so why doubt it this time?

Its nice to have some solid data showing Denuvo having an impact on CPUs but I think the big question with DMCV is: Does it matter at resolutions and settings that the user would realistically run the game at? RE Engine in general seems pretty light on CPU usage so if the impact only shows itself in unrealistic scenarios it becomes little more than an interesting data point to add to the "it varies from game to game" results we already have when it comes to Denuvo. I really hope Digital Foundry looks into more games after they're done poking at this one. I'd love to see if they could shine more light onto what Overlord Gaming found in his tests.

 

[DukenukemX]

Its nice to have some solid data showing Denuvo having an impact on CPUs but I think the big question with DMCV is: Does it matter at resolutions and settings that the user would realistically run the game at? RE Engine in general seems pretty light on CPU usage so if the impact only shows itself in unrealistic scenarios it becomes little more than an interesting data point to add to the "it varies from game to game" results we already have when it comes to Denuvo. I really hope Digital Foundry looks into more games after they're done poking at this one. I'd love to see if they could shine more light onto what Overlord Gaming found in his tests.

Again, the photo I linked shows that it's clearly running at 1080p or at least 720p. Realistically those are the resolutions people will be running this game on. But again, this depends on the system itself. Some people may have a Intel 2500k with a GTX 1060 3GB and without Denuvo it runs faster. On the other hand someone with a 9900K and a GTX 2080 Ti won't notice shit at 4k cause their CPU eats 2500K's for breakfast. The guy with a Ryzen 2700 with a Radeon HD 7850 won't notice it either cause the CPU is more than powerful enough to handle this. There's again loading time and file size. I swear the people here are like paid trolls to support Denuvo.

I'd personally like a video from Overlord gaming not so much Digital Foundry. Not saying DF is terrible or anything but Overlord seems to know a great deal about Denuvo performance impacts.

 

[Derangel]

Again, the photo I linked shows that it's clearly running at 1080p or at least 720p. Realistically those are the resolutions people will be running this game on. But again, this depends on the system itself. Some people may have a Intel 2500k with a GTX 1060 3GB and without Denuvo it runs faster. On the other hand someone with a 9900K and a GTX 2080 Ti won't notice shit at 4k cause their CPU eats 2500K's for breakfast. The guy with a Ryzen 2700 with a Radeon HD 7850 won't notice it either cause the CPU is more than powerful enough to handle this. There's again loading time and file size. I swear the people here are like paid trolls to support Denuvo.

I'd personally like a video from Overlord gaming not so much Digital Foundry. Not saying DF is terrible or anything but Overlord seems to know a great deal about Denuvo performance impacts.

A random screenshot showing a 23% difference with no validating information provided. Its a terribly cropped screenshot and something like that is very easy to manipulate. If that difference was valid there would undoubtedly be dozens of people seeing the same thing and posting about it. Of course, PCs being PCs its not impossible that it is valid, but with no source provided and nothing to back it up it remains questionable. For perspective: That difference is approaching Rhime level and that game had a horrible implementation of Denuvo constantly making calls to the CPU and bogging down everything. Wouldn't be surprised if its similar to what would be seen if Ubisoft removed VMP and Denuvo from AC: Origins.

I don't support Denuvo, I'd rather it not exist. However, I prefer to have reliable data. This is why I wish there were more people doing in-depth testing on games that remove it. Overlord has done a damn good job in his videos, but there needs to be more coverage. Having someone like DF cover it also helps just in terms of visibility, get the information out there more and maybe put pressure on other tech folks to do their own testing and get even more results.

 

[DukenukemX]

A random screenshot showing a 23% difference with no validating information provided. Its a terribly cropped screenshot and something like that is very easy to manipulate. If that difference was valid there would undoubtedly be dozens of people seeing the same thing and posting about it. Of course, PCs being PCs its not impossible that it is valid, but with no source provided and nothing to back it up it remains questionable. For perspective: That difference is approaching Rhime level and that game had a horrible implementation of Denuvo constantly making calls to the CPU and bogging down everything. Wouldn't be surprised if its similar to what would be seen if Ubisoft removed VMP and Denuvo from AC: Origins.

I don't support Denuvo, I'd rather it not exist. However, I prefer to have reliable data. This is why I wish there were more people doing in-depth testing on games that remove it. Overlord has done a damn good job in his videos, but there needs to be more coverage. Having someone like DF cover it also helps just in terms of visibility, get the information out there more and maybe put pressure on other tech folks to do their own testing and get even more results.

Wait for a more detailed review. Until then Denuvo 1920x1080: No Denuvo 2560x1080: Hope it helps

 

[SvenBent]

Someone make sure I understand this correctly... everyone is mad because the game takes a performance hit at 480p? Which makes sense, cause of course we're all playing at 480p, right?

Until someone shows up with 1080p/1440p/2160p benchmarks showing a measurable performance hit, this is little more than click bait meant to play on everyone's tendency to hate Denuvo just because it's Denuvo, even if it's not hurting them.

it all comes down to the build of the system if you are having a cpu bottleneck denuvo would reduce fps.
its not just about he resolutions. it just happen to be that they had to turn it down to the level of resoluton to be cpu bottlenecked for this particular game at this particular system.