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illram

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So I got my LP53 in this morning, and set it up open-air style to test somethings. First some measurements of the Z270i for people who need them. This is the IO shield thing; around 36mm tall on the inside edge:
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Entire mobo; this board has all sorts of xxxtreme gamer l337 heatsinks everywhere (I usually don't buy these boards, pardon my grumpiness):
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Ziptied A9x14. Removing the original fan is easy, just slip the rubber pins out from the heatsink. I had to re-do these zip-ties as you cannot have anything hanging off the side with the Z270i, as I will show later. Try and have the zip lock part on top, and also try and maybe buy non-enormous ugly ass zip ties, like me. (These are what I had lying around). I don't think it matters if one or two fins get bent in the process.
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Securing the heatsink is a little more white-knuckle-ish than I would like, the holes on the bottom are not perfectly aligned such that you can just drop it right on and it is a very tight squeeze on this motherboard with all the heatsinks everywhere. DO NOT screw in the screws that much, as noted in review in the Sentry thread. Just get them in and then maybe tighten a tiny bit to secure it, you really hardly need to screw them in at all. The heatsink will make contact with the CPU with very little pressure needed on all four screws. Prepare to manhandle your motherboard in the process of doing this. Don't worry, it can take it. Also there is only one orientation the LP53 will fit in, sadly the fins have to be perpendicular to the RAM and the IO thus air may not circulate as well as one would like if they were parrallel.

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This RAM is not very tall but the cooler will not clear it. Ergo, no fan larger than the A9 will fit. Which is fine, as the A9 is a wonderfully quiet fan.

Nor will you clear the IO panel, also note the IO heatsink is touching the side of the fan. Did I mention this is a tight squeeze?
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You can avoid this if you are more careful than me (bent fin at the bottom). It will fit within the M2 heatsink, just be careful. Not to worry if this happens though, I can report that your computer will still work and not burst into flames because you bent this fin. Not a big deal.

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The fit, it is tight:

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Out of the box and working (ignore ugly zip ties, I cut them later), huzzah. Thanks, $2.49 power button from Amazon.
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41c at boot, default settings, 925rpm. Fan is silent at this speed. I have a Noctua in another case and can tell you that you will not hear it until it gets >2000RPM or so, and even then it will be hard to hear unless you are near the PC. But I'm not going to really worry about whether that temp is too high for now, this was mostly just a "plug it all in and see if it works" excercise. And it does. (Enabling XMP did not change the temp.) BTW this RAM sort of sucks, Team Vulcan 16GB, very temperamental to get to 3000mhz.

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That's it for now. TL;DR, there is no room to use any fan larger than around 92x92 on top of the LP53, and be careful when placing it on the mobo to not overtighten it.
 

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So I did something for fun:

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A DAN A4-SFX AIO build :)

And it was not that much fun fitting all the cables... I really need to order som custom length cables :)

Anyway:

Z270I MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC
Intel Core i7 7700K
Corsair H60 AIO with Scythe Slip Stream 120 mm fan (I somehow thought I would fit a 25 mm fan, but that was not the case)
32 GB Corsair VENGEANCE LPX DDR4
Gigabyte 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G
Corsair SF600

I haven´t tested it properly yet, but I assume it will be a grand failure :) Since the radiator doesn't really have anywhere to get rid of the hot air. It pushes it against the cables and the PSU.

So I will try to optimise regarding the cable length (maybe move some of it down under the GPU?). The CPU is also going to receive a delid as soon as I receive my kit. I also have a 92 mm AIO lying around so I might try to do the AIO below the PSU theory.

Very interesring. I would like to se some performance/heat/noise levels.
 

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The heatspreaders on that Teamgroup ram look great from the top.
Officially on my list of parts to consider :)
 

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They were a great price, but I am having trouble getting them to 3000mhz. I think one stick might be bad. Can someone who is familiar with the UEFI BIOS for ASUS tell me something, which RAM speed reading is correct, this one:
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Or the one on the right in the "Hardware Monitor" panel (not the one on the left)? Both seem to be "realtime." (Note below pic was taken with XMP enabled in a different session than pic above, but even when below reading is showing as 3000, the first "EZ Mode" status monitor still contradicts it and shows 2133mhz).

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?
 

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So I got my LP53 in this morning, and set it up open-air style to test somethings. First some measurements of the Z270i for people who need them. This is the IO shield thing; around 36mm tall on the inside edge:

Entire mobo; this board has all sorts of xxxtreme gamer l337 heatsinks everywhere (I usually don't buy these boards, pardon my grumpiness):

....Nor will you clear the IO panel, also note the IO heatsink is touching the side of the fan. Did I mention this is a tight squeeze?....

I think it shouldn't be problem to remove this stupid heatsinks all together, they really don't serve any practical purpose. They aren't even really heatsinks if you think about it (no fins) they are just big blocks of aluminum to look good.
I am probably going to remove them and (if necessary) replace the VRM heatsinks with some significantly lower power ones.

Typically these heatsinks are just way over the top. I would say you could easily run a 7700K without OC and with a Mobo with more than 4 phases without any heatsinks on the VRM. This is just a rough guess though.
I will try to find some information on the VRM on the STRIX Mobo, sadly I can't just take a look because I don't have it yet (it isn't sold in Switzerland as far as I can see).


Edit:
Just look at the Asrock Z270M-ITX/ac, the heatsink for the VRM is tiny.
 

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Removing that IO "heatsink" silliness would probably allow a 100mm fan at least. I truly have no idea what it is doing there other than being incredibly annoying to work around.
 

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This is the best. We managed to make Noctua, one of the nicest companies, angry because too many people wanted something from them.

I guess at the end of this we will have annoyed a good amount of companies and resellers.

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you. This was the post that got me thinking.

There are a LOT of us who are looking for a cooling solution that's 48mm or so, between the Sentry and the A4. Enough that, as you said, this quest has the momentum to annoy even Noctua. It also has enough interest to get Dan thinking about designing his own heatsink.

Well... Why not combine those thoughts? I just wrote to Noctua (you can see what I wrote in the Sentry thread), asking them what it would take for them to consider building us a cooler, and laid out my case for how many of us want something like this.

I figure if any company is going to take us on, it'll be the relatively small, exceptionally customer-servicing one that specializes in high performance, low noise cooling.

So... I need your help, guys. What exactly are we looking for? Here's what I've got so far:

  • Low profile - 48mm
  • Low noise - that means a slim fan on the bottom of the heatsink fins. (See the Nexus or Noctua's own, slightly too large, NH-L12.
  • High performance - I want a huge cooler that basically overhangs whatever it can on the motherboard. I don't think there's any problem with using VLP RAM, and I'd be happy if it went from the PCIe slot to the top of a mini-ITX motherboard.
  • (Input: how many of us are interested in Asus Maximus Impact motherboards with all those daughterboards? How would that impact cooling design?)
  • Ease of retention - I would really like it if the cooler screwed in from the bottom of the motherboard instead of fishing a screwdriver in through gaps in the fins.
  • Ideally it would be copper? I don't know how much Noctua uses copper outside of heatpipes, so... We'll see.
  • How many heatpipes are we looking at? We want to cool a 91W chip, ideally with a bit of room to overclock, so... Four? Would it be possible to fit six?
 

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I have a similar setup in a TU-100. You can flip the PSU inward to help exhaust the heat and pull air in from the h50. Should work out nicely. Might have to cut that plastic seperator though to achieve this exhaust.

I thought the same, flip the PSU ;) Or buy a SFX-L PSU and use one 120mm fan for both components. But this will require to switch the PSU fan against a motherboard controlled one.

hcts: Really nice pictures you will have great chances for the top posistions in the Hall of Fame on www.dan-cases.com

Thx for the kind words :)

That is the best idea I have ever heard, or close to it.. you could also open the power supply and reverse the fan, add a foam gasket between the power supply and radiator. I reckon that would perform really well... What depth are those Silverstone PSU fans?

Great ideas everyone!

DAN A4-SFX AIO build v 0.2.2:

So I did as suggested and flipped the PSU around. The plastic separator problem was elegantly solved by folding it together and pushing it behind the GPU :) I also redid all the cables.
Used more individually sleeved cables and rerouted more of them into the GPU and Radiator chamber. There are now slight openings the whole way trough to the other side so you can now feel a slight breeze going through the case. The 24-pin ATX connector is still the old ugly one. So here I will need to get a shorter and sleeved cable. The improved cable routing also led to a better routing of the AIO tubing with less kinks and less "bubbly" sounds afterwards :)

Regarding temperatures and performance:

Benchmarks:

  • 3DMark Time Spy: 5714
  • VR Mark Orange room: 9580
  • VR Mark Blue room: 1786
  • Fire Strike Ultra: 4151
  • Fire Strike Extreme: 7673
  • Fire Strike: 17772
  • Valley: 3879
  • Heaven: 2319
  • Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3423
  • Superposition 4K Optimized: 5346
  • Superposition VR Maximum: 8759
  • Superposition VR Future: 2885
3 hours with running these benchmarks: CPU never got over 74° C and GPU never over 75° C.

  • Aida64 stress test (CPU, Memory & GPU) for 2 hours > CPU max 72° C and GPU max 71° C.
  • Prime95 (28.10) stress test (CPU) for 30 min > CPU max 73° C.
  • Timespy stress test: 98.7% > Temperatures GPU Max 75° C and CPU Max 70° C.
  • Superposition stress test: passed > Temperatures GPU Max 70° C and CPU Max 59° C.
Sound:

30-35 dB when under really heavy loads.
 
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I don't think there's any problem with using VLP RAM

Some great ideas there but I would not agree with this point in particular. Sourcing and availability for consumers is not as easy for VLP (also think internationally). You would want to keep the potential costumer base as large as possible if you want to convince a manufacturer of your idea for what is essentially still a niche product at this stage.

Plus, some people just like bling even if it serves no immediate purpose... nothing inherently wrong with that ;)
 

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Some great ideas there but I would not agree with this point in particular. Sourcing and availability for consumers is not as easy for VLP (also think internationally). You would want to keep the potential costumer base as large as possible if you want to convince a manufacturer of your idea for what is essentially still a niche product at this stage.

Plus, some people just like bling even if it serves no immediate purpose... nothing inherently wrong with that ;)


Hmm, international sourcing is a good point, definitely something I hadn't considered. Perhaps a compromise and have it fit normal height sticks but not ones with oversized spreaders?

I don't know, what do other people think? If it's difficult to find ram without large "heatsinks" in your area, would you consider removing them or modding the tops?

As for bling, though, I mean, you're absolutely correct... But those of us interested in a cooler like this are probably going to be more interested in getting the best performance possible, no?

If you want RGB ram, there are other options that can provide either silence or performance - I personally would rather let this cooler be the utmost in those two categories and give up looks and some compatibility.

(Personally, industrial style and large heatsinks peeking out from behind vents is my kind of bling anyways. ;) )
 
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Hey, I just wanted to say thank you. This was the post that got me thinking.

There are a LOT of us who are looking for a cooling solution that's 48mm or so, between the Sentry and the A4. Enough that, as you said, this quest has the momentum to annoy even Noctua. It also has enough interest to get Dan thinking about designing his own heatsink.

Well... Why not combine those thoughts? I just wrote to Noctua (you can see what I wrote in the Sentry thread), asking them what it would take for them to consider building us a cooler, and laid out my case for how many of us want something like this.

I figure if any company is going to take us on, it'll be the relatively small, exceptionally customer-servicing one that specializes in high performance, low noise cooling.

So... I need your help, guys. What exactly are we looking for? Here's what I've got so far:

  • Low profile - 48mm
  • Low noise - that means a slim fan on the bottom of the heatsink fins. (See the Nexus or Noctua's own, slightly too large, NH-L12.
  • High performance - I want a huge cooler that basically overhangs whatever it can on the motherboard. I don't think there's any problem with using VLP RAM, and I'd be happy if it went from the PCIe slot to the top of a mini-ITX motherboard.
  • (Input: how many of us are interested in Asus Maximus Impact motherboards with all those daughterboards? How would that impact cooling design?)
  • Ease of retention - I would really like it if the cooler screwed in from the bottom of the motherboard instead of fishing a screwdriver in through gaps in the fins.
  • Ideally it would be copper? I don't know how much Noctua uses copper outside of heatpipes, so... We'll see.
  • How many heatpipes are we looking at? We want to cool a 91W chip, ideally with a bit of room to overclock, so... Four? Would it be possible to fit six?
The things I would hope for are 100% copper, perhaps nickel-plated. Also if Noctua was behind it I would like to see a slim version of one of their redux or industrial fans. And locating the fan below the heatsink seems to be a must.
I would also prefer to be able to use any RAM I want, without being limited to height restrictions, and would prefer for the cooler to not overhang the RAM slots.
 

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Hmm... So it appears a standard stick of DDR4 is about 31mm tall, which means that above it we'd only have ~15mm of space; not enough.

The question now, I think, becomes two parts:

1) in a cooler with no ram overhang, is it possible to fit a 120mm fan? If not, does that change if it can overhang the ram with a restriction to half-height ram?

2) If it doesn't overhang the ram at all, how much thicker could the heatsink be? Could it make up for the loss in surface area by increased depth?


Also, just a side note on the fan, I'm using a Noctua NH-L12, with a 120mm fan underneath. Basically exactly same setup as we need, but just a little bit too large. I can assure you that you can't see the noctua colors through the heatsink. :)
 

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Tried the Noctua A9x14 fan on my c7 heat sink with a 7700k. Performance isn't that great, can't keep up with the 7700k heat.

It is much quieter, and works for underclocked cpu.

When I run it at stock clocks and have fan running at full, it idles at around 55c with spikes into the 90's doing regular tasks.

I'm not sure it is pushing enough air through the cooler. I'd recommend not going this route. Next stop, trying a nexus or going back to c7 stock cooler, it was loud for sure but it cooled great.


Thanks for posting this, I'm particularly interested..Is your CPU delidded? Also just to confirm, when you say its quieter..do you mean completely quiet enough for most users to consider as tolerable, even at 100% fan speed
 
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FYI, I looked everywhere for a low profile cooler for ones that weren't mentioned in this thread, and I found this one which might be pretty interesting.

http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/49/name/IS-40PRO

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I think this one might be promising because it has 4 direct heat pipes, wide spaced fins (better at low RPMs), is 44mm tall which is low enough to not cause turbulence on the side panel, and is pretty cheap but still comes with a decent hydrobearing fan. The only problem is it's hard to find in Europe and the United States, mostly you have to find it on Ebay or Alibaba direct from China.

Another thing people might be overlooking with the C7 is that the heatpipes on the C7 are curved, so when you install it, make sure the heatpipes are facing sideways and not up (because heatpipes work terribly against gravity).

I have both the C7, the A9-14 Noctua Fan, and the ID-40Pro cooler on the way, so as soon as I get my A4 case I'll try to provide some updates. I have a 7600k ready to delid to test with.
 

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Hey, I just wanted to say thank you. This was the post that got me thinking.

There are a LOT of us who are looking for a cooling solution that's 48mm or so, between the Sentry and the A4. Enough that, as you said, this quest has the momentum to annoy even Noctua. It also has enough interest to get Dan thinking about designing his own heatsink.

Well... Why not combine those thoughts? I just wrote to Noctua (you can see what I wrote in the Sentry thread), asking them what it would take for them to consider building us a cooler, and laid out my case for how many of us want something like this.

I figure if any company is going to take us on, it'll be the relatively small, exceptionally customer-servicing one that specializes in high performance, low noise cooling.

So... I need your help, guys. What exactly are we looking for? Here's what I've got so far:

  • Low profile - 48mm
  • Low noise - that means a slim fan on the bottom of the heatsink fins. (See the Nexus or Noctua's own, slightly too large, NH-L12.
  • High performance - I want a huge cooler that basically overhangs whatever it can on the motherboard. I don't think there's any problem with using VLP RAM, and I'd be happy if it went from the PCIe slot to the top of a mini-ITX motherboard.
  • (Input: how many of us are interested in Asus Maximus Impact motherboards with all those daughterboards? How would that impact cooling design?)
  • Ease of retention - I would really like it if the cooler screwed in from the bottom of the motherboard instead of fishing a screwdriver in through gaps in the fins.
  • Ideally it would be copper? I don't know how much Noctua uses copper outside of heatpipes, so... We'll see.
  • How many heatpipes are we looking at? We want to cool a 91W chip, ideally with a bit of room to overclock, so... Four? Would it be possible to fit six?

For me im after 4-6 heatpipes Tdp 130 W+.

Fan under THE heatsink to avoid air turbulens.

Fan efficient and silent with high air pressure. Optimal 120 mm fan.

I Will avoid minitx board as Maximus impact
 

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Hmm... So it appears a standard stick of DDR4 is about 31mm tall, which means that above it we'd only have ~15mm of space; not enough.

The question now, I think, becomes two parts:

1) in a cooler with no ram overhang, is it possible to fit a 120mm fan? If not, does that change if it can overhang the ram with a restriction to half-height ram?

2) If it doesn't overhang the ram at all, how much thicker could the heatsink be? Could it make up for the loss in surface area by increased depth?


Also, just a side note on the fan, I'm using a Noctua NH-L12, with a 120mm fan underneath. Basically exactly same setup as we need, but just a little bit too large. I can assure you that you can't see the noctua colors through the heatsink. :)
Can you please tell me what board and ram are you using? Maybe even post a picture?
I am thinking of doing the same for the time being.
 

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Can you please tell me what board and ram are you using? Maybe even post a picture?
I am thinking of doing the same for the time being.

Oh dear lord. I'm using an... Asrock z77E-ITX, and I can't remember if I'm using samsung miracle ram, or if I switched to standard height sticks with a low profile heatsink.

I'll see if I can dig around in my old build logs for a picture, but I'm loathe to take a new one. I'm using a Raven RVZ01, which is... not the friendliest to build in. A picture wouldn't be worth much without taking the entire motherboard out.

EDIT: I got nothing. I'll take a couple photos for you tomorrow. :)
 

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FYI, I looked everywhere for a low profile cooler for ones that weren't mentioned in this thread, and I found this one which might be pretty interesting.

http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/49/name/IS-40PRO



I think this one might be promising because it has 4 direct heat pipes, wide spaced fins (better at low RPMs), is 44mm tall which is low enough to not cause turbulence on the side panel, and is pretty cheap but still comes with a decent hydrobearing fan. The only problem is it's hard to find in Europe and the United States, mostly you have to find it on Ebay or Alibaba direct from China.

Another thing people might be overlooking with the C7 is that the heatpipes on the C7 are curved, so when you install it, make sure the heatpipes are facing sideways and not up (because heatpipes work terribly against gravity).

I have both the C7, the A9-14 Noctua Fan, and the ID-40Pro cooler on the way, so as soon as I get my A4 case I'll try to provide some updates. I have a 7600k ready to delid to test with.

ID Cooling also makes the IS-50, which has one more heatpipe, should be able to fit a thin 92mm or 120mm fan under the fins, and will comfortably be <48mm high with an underslung fan. The bad news is that availability is similar to the IS-40 (eBay or Aliexpress) and I can't find any reviews.
 

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My two Nexus coolers just got cancelled a week after I ordered them.. Anybody knows if there are some available still? Doesn't matter where or how long shipping takes. If anybody on hardforum are willing to part with one I'd pay a fair price.
Same thing happened to me. They said it was shipped the next day so I thought I got lucky but apparently not. :-(
 

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Thanks to absolut_zero I have ordered a Cooljag New Falcon II and got it today from Schneider Consulting (Germany). I was a bit worried about its height but it is very good, around 46 mm. Interesting to see the shop recommend to also buy a slim 100 mm fan for it, seems I wasn`t the first DAN A4 owner there :)

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ID Cooling also makes the IS-50, which has one more heatpipe, should be able to fit a thin 92mm or 120mm fan under the fins, and will comfortably be <48mm high with an underslung fan. The bad news is that availability is similar to the IS-40 (eBay or Aliexpress) and I can't find any reviews.

Thanks for this. I'm ordering the IS-50 now. It is available on both newegg and Amazon, shipped direct from ID-Cooling.

Also, the ID-40 looks to small to fit a fan between the fins and CPU plate.
 

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Thanks for posting this, I'm particularly interested..Is your CPU delidded? Also just to confirm, when you say its quieter..do you mean completely quiet enough for most users to consider as tolerable, even at 100% fan speed

Running at 2000 rpm the fan is much quieter audible but only slightly. When I have it around 1200-1300 rpm I can't hear it at all. The problem is I need to under clock it so much to keep temps manageable. I did not delid it yet, but am thinking about it. Probably will try one of the bigger heat sinks first before I delid the processor. If I can run at stock clocks and keep it in the low 70's I'll be happy.
 

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ID Cooling also makes the IS-50, which has one more heatpipe, should be able to fit a thin 92mm or 120mm fan under the fins, and will comfortably be <48mm high with an underslung fan. The bad news is that availability is similar to the IS-40 (eBay or Aliexpress) and I can't find any reviews.
Don't. I've read a review from a Danish site (tweak.dk) and this is the conclusion:
"I have never seen such bad cooler like this one. I even think a standard cooler from Intel will do better, and even allow the small overclocking to 4.0 GHz. It did look promising. I think during the unpacking that it was a really nice cooler. But that it hardly can handle standard turbo frequency of my CPU is bad. The cooler is rated for a TDP of 130W, and my CPU has an TDP of 84 W. I have no idea how they got the TDP. One would almost think that there was a manufacturing defect in the surface that presses against the processor. That's the only reason I could say that would justify the poor performance."
Roughly translated :)
 

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Don't. I've read a review from a Danish site (tweak.dk) and this is the conclusion:
"I have never seen such bad cooler like this one. I even think a standard cooler from Intel will do better, and even allow the small overclocking to 4.0 GHz. It did look promising. I think during the unpacking that it was a really nice cooler. But that it hardly can handle standard turbo frequency of my CPU is bad. The cooler is rated for a TDP of 130W, and my CPU has an TDP of 84 W. I have no idea how they got the TDP. One would almost think that there was a manufacturing defect in the surface that presses against the processor. That's the only reason I could say that would justify the poor performance."
Roughly translated :)

Sigh, seems like ID Cooling's products are really hit or miss. Thanks for the translation.
 

kingtron

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My two Nexus coolers just got cancelled a week after I ordered them.. Anybody knows if there are some available still? Doesn't matter where or how long shipping takes. If anybody on hardforum are willing to part with one I'd pay a fair price.

Ip I

Same thing happened to me. They said it was shipped the next day so I thought I got lucky but apparently not. :-(

from which store it was canceled ?
 

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Thanks to absolut_zero I have ordered a Cooljag New Falcon II and got it today from Schneider Consulting (Germany). I was a bit worried about its height but it is very good, around 46 mm. Interesting to see the shop recommend to also buy a slim 100 mm fan for it, seems I wasn`t the first DAN A4 owner there :)

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Did you buy it from their webstore? When I googled it, it found a link but when I go to the webstore it doesn't find it there.
 

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Running at 2000 rpm the fan is much quieter audible but only slightly. When I have it around 1200-1300 rpm I can't hear it at all. The problem is I need to under clock it so much to keep temps manageable. I did not delid it yet, but am thinking about it. Probably will try one of the bigger heat sinks first before I delid the processor. If I can run at stock clocks and keep it in the low 70's I'll be happy.

Thank you!! I think delidding the 7700K really is the way to go. Will get your temps nicely into your target range.

All these other coolers are too hit or miss. Many of them either dont perform or are impossible to find. I'll personally stick to the c7 heatsink along with the noctua fan and hope delidding does the job sufficiently
 

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Did you buy it from their webstore? When I googled it, it found a link but when I go to the webstore it doesn't find it there.

They have it on Ebay and Webstore, but after it come up in this thread they sell out on this coolers and they will not restock it.
 

absolut_zero

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Thanks to absolut_zero I have ordered a Cooljag New Falcon II and got it today from Schneider Consulting (Germany). I was a bit worried about its height but it is very good, around 46 mm. Interesting to see the shop recommend to also buy a slim 100 mm fan for it, seems I wasn`t the first DAN A4 owner there :)
You're welcome. (y)

Did you buy it from their webstore? When I googled it, it found a link but when I go to the webstore it doesn't find it there.

When I found the product page on their webstore and posted the link here, I believe they only have about 2 or 3 stocks left at that time. Sorry to hear that they ran out of stock.
 

illram

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So does ~31mm-32mm tall RAM fit under the Falcon 2? I may have missed that. From this pic it looks like it does not? Also I wonder if the Asus 270i might not work with it due to the heatsinks everywhere, particularly the tall one next to the IO ports. I think you'd have to remove it.

31-TLYuG3GL.jpg
 
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dopa

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The PSU bracket is a separate removable piece, right? So I wouldn't even have to do it this way:
Yeah, I guessed it was for vertical stability. If it doesn't have any other purpose could it instead go down, along the side of the PSU?

Reason I'm asking is, I looked at the free space (at least 3cm since a SFX-L fits there) there is when using a SFX PSU and thought how to take advantage of that. One of the biggest drawbacks for this case is that there is no active exhaust which makes the case and components pretty hot - seen by the temp difference when not using the I/O panel.
I figured that there is enough room for a 92mm top fan if you lower the PSU with spacers/extending bracket, that attaches to the stock bracket, to make room for the powercable and airflow. It would also pull air from the GPU side. Below is a quick sketch of it:
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Something for A4-SFX v2?

More great pictures by loafidelity.
I could just lower the whole bracket by drilling new screw holes 3cm lower on the front side and putting spacers to the mb side screws. Or would there be something blocking moving it down 3cm? Is there someone who could test out the temp difference? even just adding a fan outside the case on the top and temporarily lowering the PSU for better airflow?
Dan, could these extra holes be added to v2 and the top of the inner frame made 92mm fan friendly? I wager a lot of people would be interested in adding an active exhaust to the case.

Unfortunately, just measuring based on this pic http://i.imgur.com/9qw1acX.jpg a 92mm fan wouldn't be completely flat against the top panel since the bottom right corner would be against the inner frame.
 
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sldr

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I'm happy with these temperatures and even more with the sound the GPU fans and the Noctua NH-L9i makes - yes, hearable but no jet-engine - after playing Doom for several hours.

i7 7700K at default clock with a Noctua NH-L9i and a Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX on a Asus MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT...

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Jonas Mellkvist

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So does ~31mm-32mm tall RAM fit under the Falcon 2? I may have missed that. From this pic it looks like it does not? Also I wonder if the Asus 270i might not work with it due to the heatsinks everywhere, particularly the tall one next to the IO ports. I think you'd have to remove it.

31-TLYuG3GL.jpg

35.95 mm from bottom to tower, So no problem there.

31.24 mm for Ram on normal low profile DDR4.

So its 4.85 mm clearence there.
 
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