Damn I need a Micro Center.4 hours from Houston and 3 from Dallas.
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underwhelmed...
2016: Haswell-E Overclocked Benchmarks - Core i7-5960X 5930K 5820K Overclocking & Performance
2011: 3D Rendering - Intel Core i7-3960X - Sandy Bridge E Processor Review
Unless I am missing something; Seems some of the numbers (wPrime & Hiper Pi) are SLOWER than they were 5 years ago?!
I am contemplating going down the road of X99 and maybe with a 5960X when prices come down but in general how is the stability of the platform especially with a Rampage V Extreme and how well does DDR4 memory work in comparison to DDR3? I don't have any experience with DDR4 or X99 so I am curious to see whether perhaps a year or two when more X99 motherboards and CPUs how much they will be.
Also reading the newegg Rampage V Extreme reviews is the Rampage V Extreme suffering quality control or production issues? It seems like there is 33% of the total reviews with one egg and only 47% with 4-5 eggs (USB3.1 version).
The new Broadwell-E are not too far away, so i'd probably hold off for that,or pickup a second hand Haswell-E when others upgrade.
I am contemplating this as well and waiting for 5960X's to listed second-hand before I really look at it. If I could get a 5960X and a Rampage V Extreme and even DDR4 memory second hand for a bargain or a good price I wouldn't pass it up. I would of course have to get new memory as well so I am not sure how much DDR4 would set me back in Canadian dollars.
I am happy to read that X99 is very stable as a platform but what happens after Broadwell-E? Are we looking at another LGA-2011/LGA2011-3 socket or will LGA2011-3 be used for even after Broadwell-E. I don't generally upgrade often (not as much as I used to many years ago) so I like to get a good use out of my hardware before I have to.
Just bought myself new parts for a 5820k rig. Makes me laugh reading you kids and being disappointed with just a 1Ghz OC on a multi core CPU. I remember the days when a 16-33Mhz OC with a dip switch on a single core was considered a huge bonus.
Hell.... Dipswitches were a luxury. Using jumpers(like those for shorting out the bios), or having to solder in different clock crystals, or solder in jumper wires after scraping on the protective "paint" over the tin traces, hacking the BIOS using 3rd party apps, etc, etc.
Kids these days don't know how good they have it when it comes to overclocking.
planning on building X99 setup. I don't do video editing or 3D rendering. Mostly gaming and photo editing. Is it better if I go with 5930k or is the 5960X more future proof? It's going to be my next 5 year setup again so I want to make sure I get a CPU/MOBO that will last that long like my current setup going to be 5years this june.
Or should I wait for the next gen and when will that coming out anyways?
I'm a bit stunned by the cost increase over the 5960 to the 6950. Glad I'm happy with my 5820.
Broadwell-E available for some. Microcenter selling for below MSRP again. The 6800k(at $399 feels like a glorified 5820k to me. MC does not appear to have 6850k in stock near me so let's hope the Haswell-e parts come down and used prices drop down as well. I could do Ivy Bridge-E and be happy.
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I'm a bit stunned by the cost increase over the 5960 to the 6950. Glad I'm happy with my 5820.
I've occasionally talked to Intel reps concerning sales figures, and although they loathe to give out specific data at anytime, they do on occasion provide some comments which give me insight into what works and what doesn't or what they are thinking as a company. At least in strategic terms. An Intel rep at a private event once stated that the Core i7 980X was the best selling Extreme Edition CPU of all time. We spoke about why, and I don't recall if it was me or him that noted the 980X was probably successful due to it offering more CPU cores, die shrink and more cache compared to the rest of it's product lineup. Thus, it sold well because it offered things you couldn't get from the standard Core i7 CPUs at the time. The reason I bring this up is that the commentary on sales leads me to some speculative thinking concerning Broadwell-E.
The cost of the 6950X is nothing short of absurd. One wonders if this is simply due to it being a halo part that's difficult to construct / bin, or if it's something Intel expects to sell because it offers more cores than other processors in the segment. Again, this is from casual conversation with Intel reps over the years, so take that for what it's worth. For example, the Core i7 965 EE and i7 975 EE weren't all that popular. The Core i7 980X on the other hand sold in large numbers compared to previous Extreme Edition CPUs. Gulftown offered a lot over Nehalem, better overclocking and more cores being the big things. It was a great CPU overall and because it was great, people bought it. The subsequent 3960X and 3970X CPUs weren't that popular. All they offered over their "lesser" brethren was more cache. The 4960X was essentially more of the same thing that the 3960X offered which wasn't much. It didn't sell well because it offered little over the 4930K. The 5960X did well because it offered two more cores and more cache over the other CPUs in the lineup. It was the first Extreme Edition CPU to really provide anything more than a cache bump and "potential" for increased overclocking compared to standard HEDT segment processors since the i7 980X. Supposedly the 5960X did fairly well as Intel got back to the formula for the EE CPUs that actually works. The 6950X is much the same in that it offers two more cores and more cache over it's brethren.
When we look at the price of the i7 6950X, it's hard to tell what Intel's thinking. In part I have to wonder if this price point is based on the Xeon E5 v4 2687 which is a 3.0GHz, 12c/24t CPU with a TDP of 160Watts. It's currently priced at $2115 in 1,000 unit quantities. The i7 6950X is essentially the same CPU sans two cores. Intel has plenty of CPUs with far more cores than either of these, but nothing else close to the same clock speeds with that many cores. The price almost reflects the price of a Xeon E5 v4 2687 with an appropriate dollar amount subtracted for the missing two cores and threads. So either these are difficult CPUs to bin and the costs are simply projected as a way to maximize profits for the expected demand, or it's a simple cash grab. It's hard to say which. On the other hand, Intel's probably not done as well with refreshed Extreme Edition parts in the past because they are usually incremental at best when compared to the first generation HEDT processors in a chipset cycle. Intel may be looking to change that by creating an HEDT part that offers much more than the usual incremental update. The pricing still confuses me somewhat. At $1,200 I could see these moving. That would represent a moderate increase over current EE processors, but such an increase could be chalked up to inflation, the extra cores, or whatever. It's a smaller increase so I think people might not balk at it as hard. $1,750 is just too massive a jump in my opinion given the poor value this CPU has to begin with.
The 6900K probably won't sell well because it probably only clocks as good or worse than the 5960X and costs the same. People who tend to buy $1,000 CPUs don't just do it because of the performance, but because they want the best CPU available. The 6900K is neither the best, nor even a worthy upgrade to the 5960X. The 6950X is the best and at least offers better multithreaded performance over the 5960X. So it may be a cash grab, a test to see if such a part can succeed at those prices, or whatever.
Perhaps Intel understands this and is pricing it this way to take advantage before the release of Zen in October?
I don't think Intel is thinking when they priced the 6950X. That comes as a lack of competition and an attempt to introduce a Xeon part (if it is indeed Xeon based with cores disabled like the SB-E 3960X) for a prosumer segment with little competition. I agree that $1750 is just too high to expect even enthusiasts to commit to such a price. $1000 was already the uppermost limit for a flagship processor and they are asking for almost double the price (~75% more approximately). When Zen is available it should hopefully challenge Broadwell-E and force Intel to re-evaluate it's position and pricing on it's X99 offerings. Perhaps Intel understands this and is pricing it this way to take advantage before the release of Zen in October?
Tried 1.32 and 1.92 input and real bench failed at 4.7. Does it matter to do 125 bclk and 38 multi instead of the 100 and 47 that I used?
I've been adjusting the input as vcore. Is the vcore perhaps CPU I/O in the bios?
I've tested allot of X99 boards from just about every company that made one. You usually need 1.9v for the CPU input voltage. Although, I have seen a range of 1.85 to 1.95 work depending on the board. That said, this is somewhat counterintuitive as the default settings on boards range from 1.75v to 1.91v. later BIOS releases tended to range between 1.85v to 1.90v, with many just going for 1.90v at a certain point in their BIOS revisions.
ASUS often did 1.90v on later BIOS releases, but ASRock's X99-WS defaults to 1.75v, which isn't sufficient for stability on any CPU I've seen on the platform.
However, I've seen it take 1.95v to stabilize some systems.
CPU I/O can usually be set at 1.05v without issue but some boards and CPUs need 1.1v when overclocking. It's safe to go to 1.1v if you aren't sure. You can always back it down later.
And yes, you should run a manual override and set your voltage. Once you dial that in you can figure out an offset.
I can't speak to most of these chips, but all the 5960's I've tested used between 1.28v and 1.35v to hit 4.4GHz to 4.5GHz.
I've seen boards that wouldn't run stable at stock CPU settings without taking the CPU input voltage to 1.9v. As I said, there is a reason why a lot of manufacturers started making that the default voltage in later BIOS releases.I should have mentioned that the ideal input voltage is going to depend on how aggressive the OC is (and what LLC is chosen). He was trying for 4GHz, so it really doesn't matter much at that level, but lower is actually better for stability, something like 1.85 would be good for 4.0.
I have 3 profiles saved on my board.
My 24/7 settings,
4.2GHz @ 1.17, VCCIN 1.89, LLC 3. That's Prime 95 stable, any version, any settings, and it can be 90+ degrees in my room and it'll stay under 80C no matter what.
Then I have second profile if I really need the speed for a newer game or something, but it's only, how shall I say, "new-school stable." In other words, it can do just about anything, but it can't handle AVX Prime or newer versions of OCCT. That one is:
4.5GHz @ 1.26, VCCIN 1.93, LLC 5.
Then if I want to run a benchmark, I have:
4.7GHz @ 1.35, VCCIN 1.95, LLC 7
I've seen boards that wouldn't run stable at stock CPU settings without taking the CPU input voltage to 1.9v. As I said, there is a reason why a lot of manufacturers started making that the default voltage in later BIOS releases.
I've seen boards that wouldn't run stable at stock CPU settings without taking the CPU input voltage to 1.9v. As I said, there is a reason why a lot of manufacturers started making that the default voltage in later BIOS releases.
Oh man, I love old X99 threads!I've tested allot of X99 boards from just about every company that made one. You usually need 1.9v for the CPU input voltage. Although, I have seen a range of 1.85 to 1.95 work depending on the board. That said, this is somewhat counterintuitive as the default settings on boards range from 1.75v to 1.91v. later BIOS releases tended to range between 1.85v to 1.90v, with many just going for 1.90v at a certain point in their BIOS revisions.
ASUS often did 1.90v on later BIOS releases, but ASRock's X99-WS defaults to 1.75v, which isn't sufficient for stability on any CPU I've seen on the platform.
However, I've seen it take 1.95v to stabilize some systems.
CPU I/O can usually be set at 1.05v without issue but some boards and CPUs need 1.1v when overclocking. It's safe to go to 1.1v if you aren't sure. You can always back it down later.
And yes, you should run a manual override and set your voltage. Once you dial that in you can figure out an offset.
I can't speak to most of these chips, but all the 5960's I've tested used between 1.28v and 1.35v to hit 4.4GHz to 4.5GHz.