Black Holes Do Not Exist

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No black holes? There went the plot to countless science fiction books and movies. ;)

By merging two seemingly conflicting theories, Laura Mersini-Houghton, a physics professor at UNC-Chapel Hill in the College of Arts and Sciences, has proven, mathematically, that black holes can never come into being in the first place. The work not only forces scientists to reimagine the fabric of space-time, but also rethink the origins of the universe.
 

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I'm certain they exist. It the only explanation for my ever shrinking sock supply.:p
 

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If they don't exist, what are the supermassive objects at the hearts of galaxies?
 

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I thought "blackhole" was just a derogatory racial slur used by Eric Cartman.
 

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I imagine this "proof" will have to come under a lot of scrutiny from the scientific community before being accepted as fact.
 

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I have no doubts in my mind that black holes exist from early proto-stars. The jury is out if they can still be created though. I guess we're waiting on a star like VY Canis Majoris to pop, to really know :D
 

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I imagine this "proof" will have to come under a lot of scrutiny from the scientific community before being accepted as fact.

I would certainly agree, but the fact that the "proof" comes in the form of an elegant mathematical solution to some previously contradictory mathematical problems makes it seem like it might actually be legit. I'm sure we'll hear lots of counter-arguments from groups whose grant money comes from research into black holes.
 

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Then what is in the middle of our galaxy, and has been observed as being a black hole?
 
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Then what is in the middle of our galaxy, and has been observed as being a black hole?

A small black highly massive object that's not a hole, and shouldn't be described as a hole. :D
 

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You don't need complex math to tell you that black holes exists.
2+2=4
4 = black holes

Since 2+2=4 is true, black holes are also true.

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You don't need complex math to tell you that black holes exists.
2+2=4
4 = black holes

Since 2+2=4 is true, black holes are also true.

:D

But are they as massive as Imhotep and Milsy?
 

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Then what is in the middle of our galaxy, and has been observed as being a black hole?

Observed in what context? The most basic definition of a black hole is an object where it's escape velocity (speed needed to escape it's gravity) exceeds the speed of light, at which point it no longer emits light, hence, "black hole". Are you talking about X-Ray observations & similar, or talking about observing light from other sources that has been "bent" (but not captured obviously) by the gravity of the black hole? Both of those things provide data but aren't necessarily conclusive in the context of exactly what a Black Hole is. Or are you referring to some other kind of observation?
 

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It says her theories haven't been peer reviewed. When Neil says black holes don't exist, then I'll believe it.
 

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Are you kidding?
The US government IS a black hole!
Money, lives, noble idealists...
They all get sucked in never to be seen again!
 

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It changes nothing, really... It just gives another set of possibilities.. It's just refining of a subset of the mathematics done on the subject, and more work will test that against the mathematics of other subsets, and make the picture clearer.

It's a part of science that is ever expanding, ever solving, so to actually state that this says "black holes don't exist" is kind of overstating things.
 

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I just saw the thread about Federal workers not being punished for surfing porn at work. Someone needs to tell that professor to stop merging equations and just watch some porn. They'll find the black holes they are looking for.
 

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So then, what are the objects that we have photographs of or rather the area surrounding them. Where something is clearly ripping stars apart around it?
 
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I do believe this article and the associated conclusion has NOT been peer reviewed. Will wait til then.
 

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Super Massive Black Dwarves.

The political incorrectness meter just went tilt.

Super Massive African American Little People.

This is going to go on for years, same with the Big Bang theory. Some believe it, some have alternate theories. Pick a side and watch the rumble. Nerd scientists are funny when they argue opposing views, though. :)

I still say that God didn't create black holes, and the Big Bang is just a man made idea that has no merit, because the universe is only 6000 years old. :rolleyes:
 

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Observed in what context? The most basic definition of a black hole is an object where it's escape velocity (speed needed to escape it's gravity) exceeds the speed of light, at which point it no longer emits light, hence, "black hole". Are you talking about X-Ray observations & similar, or talking about observing light from other sources that has been "bent" (but not captured obviously) by the gravity of the black hole? Both of those things provide data but aren't necessarily conclusive in the context of exactly what a Black Hole is. Or are you referring to some other kind of observation?

Observations that stars at the center of galaxy are orbiting a mass that's upwards of 4 million times the mass of the Sun in a space about the size of Mercury's orbit. Now I'm willing to concede that maybe her math is correct, that perhaps she's right in that the star radiates away energy faster than it can collapse into a critical density, but then what the hell is in the center of our galaxy that does have the density of a black hole?

That said, that's why science is so awesome, because in order to be accepted it must be peer reviewed, one single person saying "this is wrong" doesn't change anything. Hell that's half the reason why I get on Hawking's case all the time because he makes these announcements on his findings (i.e. his math equations on a chalk board), and then everyone goes "oh my god Hawking said it so it must be true".

I would like to see the paper she wrote though, I'm most curious about how she applied Hawking radiation to a non-black hole.
 
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