Apple Confirms That the T2 Chip Blocks User Repairs

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Paying or not has nothing to do with this.


They do nothing similar.

This is not about voiding warranty. My car won't refuse to start because it detects an aftermarket filter.

And, btw, car manufacturers can't void your warranty just because you didn't use an OEM part, at least in Europe.

LOL BMW uses special bolts and requires special tools to do many things in order to make it cost prohibitive for 3rd party repairs. Sure you can buy the tool but it is ridiculously expensive.

BMW also uses this fancy "maintenance schedule" which they keep track of at the dealership (only the dealership to keep your car updated). Sure you don't have to use it but they have pushed it so hard that when selling your BMW if you don't have it you will take a beating on price.
 

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LOL BMW uses special bolts and requires special tools to do many things in order to make it cost prohibitive for 3rd party repairs. Sure you can buy the tool but it is ridiculously expensive.

BMW also uses this fancy "maintenance schedule" which they keep track of at the dealership (only the dealership to keep your car updated). Sure you don't have to use it but they have pushed it so hard that when selling your BMW if you don't have it you will take a beating on price.
So, similar to Apple's practice before T2.
 

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Paying or not has nothing to do with this.


They do nothing similar.

This is not about voiding warranty. My car won't refuse to start because it detects an aftermarket filter.

And, btw, car manufacturers can't void your warranty just because you didn't use an OEM part, at least in Europe.

They can't void your warranty either. The car manufacturers have to prove that your aftermarket part or modification was the cause of the failure. They can't void the entire warranty either. They can only refuse to cover the repair in question. They can't refuse to repair or replace your ECU because you put aftermarket wheels on the car.

They can't here either, but that doesn't mean they don't try. Anymore if you replace any electronic module yourself, you have to take it to a dealer and pay them to have it programmed or your car won't work right (including not starting).

Actually, they don't try. They tend to only make a battle against paying out / repairing something if they can easily prove that your modification or aftermarket part was responsible for the issue.
 
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Why people continue to support this company is beyond me at this point.

And you use Windows?

When will people realise that privacy/security doesnt equal open garden roam all you want. If you want the alternative then go and buy a windows laptop and get used to candy crush.
 

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They can't void your warranty either. The car manufacturers have to prove that your aftermarket part or modification was the cause of the failure. They can't void the entire warranty either. They can only refuse to cover the repair in question. They can't refuse to repair or replace your ECU because you put aftermarket wheels on the car.



Actually, they don't try. They tend to only make a battle against paying out / repairing something if they can easily prove that your modification or aftermarket part was responsible for the issue.
This has not been my experience. The law says one thing but enforcing it against the likes of Ford or BMW is cost prohibitive. Regardless, it doesn't even get that far; since you specifically brought up replacing Apple batteries I can only conclude that you aren't aware that BMW has required dealer sold and authenticated car batteries for the better part of 20 years now.
 

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I watch Louis Rossman's YT channel, and see him repair so many of those Macbooks at a board level. I never hear of PC laptops needing to be repaired at the board level.
I don't know why you never hear about PCs being repaired at the "board level," whatever you seem to think that means it's not specific to Apples or poor quality. The only repairs a modern device would need are at the board level--there isn't anything else to repair. I wouldn't expect you to hear about a pc laptop repair...why would anyone make youtube channels about it? No one would watch that. There wouldn't be much to show anyway because not many people are going to bother spending a few hundred dollars repairing a laptop that isn't worth that much and can be replaced for about the same price.

I recently did a board level repair on a dead MBP13" with Touchbar, I think a 2017 model but slightly out of original warranty. The thing died all of a sudden and had no power or signs of life. Turned out one of the cpu voltage line caps on the top side of the mobo (side facing the keyboard) literally blew up and had a hole in it; it even burned through the plastic backing on the keyboard. IDK, maybe bad solder or something caused pressure from the keyboard to short the cap.
So the short version is you repaired an Apple MacBook :/
 

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This has not been my experience. The law says one thing but enforcing it against the likes of Ford or BMW is cost prohibitive. Regardless, it doesn't even get that far; since you specifically brought up replacing Apple batteries I can only conclude that you aren't aware that BMW has required dealer sold and authenticated car batteries for the better part of 20 years now.

I don't shop at BMW dealerships. I'm not enough of a cock to drive one of those. :)
 

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I don't know why you never hear about PCs being repaired at the "board level," whatever you seem to think that means it's not specific to Apples or poor quality. The only repairs a modern device would need are at the board level--there isn't anything else to repair. I wouldn't expect you to hear about a pc laptop repair...why would anyone make youtube channels about it? No one would watch that. There wouldn't be much to show anyway because not many people are going to bother spending a few hundred dollars repairing a laptop that isn't worth that much and can be replaced for about the same price.

So the short version is you repaired an Apple MacBook :/

Yeah, I repaired a dead MacBookPro 13" w/ touchbar. It took a lot of time to get it taken apart, finding the components and schematics, cleaning the board. Took about a week to get parts from Mouser with cheapest possible shipping which still cost more than components. It was all worth the effort and data has been recovered and laptop is working well still. I have pics somewhere if you want to see how it all looked.;)
 

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That's simply not true. Most people just don't know. They believe Apple's advertising BS. They think companies are not allowed to lie in their advertising. They won't find out until they bring their Mac to a 3rd party repair shop, probably Staples or Best Buy and the tech making minimum wage tells them they can't fix it. They have to go have an Apple store and have a fake genius look at it.

If people are too stupid to do research before making a big purchase that is no ones fault but theit own.
 
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