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That's disgusting of you to say.
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Anyone seriously considering the 4070 TI
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funkydmunky
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Went to do that for you and they are no longer listed. There was 3+ models on the top page when I searched for 4070ti. Obviously a scam now. Pains me to see how crap like that can make it to the top of the page, I mean common Amazon have some checks and balances. Glad to see it gone though.
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I caved in, stepped outside of my spending comfort zone and bought a 4070Ti. The past six years have all been AMD cards well within budget, well the 6700XT cost me $629 but that was scalper price, but still not that bad. My budget has always been no more than $500, but the 6700XT was a special case scenario (I wanted DX12 Ultimate), but back on point--I got tired of feeling like AMD was engineering their x700 cards to be replaced sooner than later.
The 5700XT was a phenomenal card, the 6700XT was a step up, but not a large one, and the 7700XT based on rumors is looking to be more of the same. A couple of recently released games were taxing the shit out of the 6700XT @ 1440p forcing me to step down the graphics settings and tinker to get the best performance, so I felt it would be wise to look at the new GPU's like the 7900XT and the 4070Ti. With performance close to a 3090Ti, granted same VRAM/Bus as the 6700XT but more throughput, and is capable of doing 4k 60 FPS if I ever wanted to step up from 1440p, DLSS 3 and Frame Generator, and fits within my PSU's 750W budget so I don't have to upgrade my PSU to use it. The 7900XT didn't make the cut unfortunately because the cost was $130 something more and after reading numerous reviews the performance difference didn't justify the asking price.
I got the Gigabyte 4070Ti OC version for $849 plus tax, came out to about $915'ish, I can say it hurts to sit right now with how hard I feel like I just got rammed, but I'm very happy with the step up; it feels like a real upgrade. Going from the 5700XT to the 6700XT felt minimal at best, and the 7700XT would have been the same. Either way I've been testing the games I had to tinker and I was floored, and this was without DLSS:
Forspoken 1440p Ultra w/ RT: 6700XT - 32-36 FPS / 4070 Ti - 89-91 FPS / w/o RT the 6700XT fared better at 54-57 FPS, haven't tested the 4070 Ti w/o it yet.
Gotham Knights 1440p Ultra w/o RT: 6700XT 48-52 FPS / 4070 Ti - 103-105 FPS
Now I know Forspoken isn't optimized but I can't argue with those results. This is a beastly card, and the fact that it can do 4k 60 comfortably reassures me that my purchase will last a good long while, that I won't be upgrading every two years. Honestly my concern with potentially getting the 7700XT is it only being good for two years and having to look at upgrades again. I know I can play games on less than Ultra, but I don't have time like I did before to fine tune games to run good, that and 60 FPS feels weird on a 165hz monitor. Another thing is DLSS 3's Frame Generator feature--that looks like a major game changer, although reviewers are saying it adds a lot of latency, I can't imagine single player games are going to suffer much.
Sorry for the long post.
The 5700XT was a phenomenal card, the 6700XT was a step up, but not a large one, and the 7700XT based on rumors is looking to be more of the same. A couple of recently released games were taxing the shit out of the 6700XT @ 1440p forcing me to step down the graphics settings and tinker to get the best performance, so I felt it would be wise to look at the new GPU's like the 7900XT and the 4070Ti. With performance close to a 3090Ti, granted same VRAM/Bus as the 6700XT but more throughput, and is capable of doing 4k 60 FPS if I ever wanted to step up from 1440p, DLSS 3 and Frame Generator, and fits within my PSU's 750W budget so I don't have to upgrade my PSU to use it. The 7900XT didn't make the cut unfortunately because the cost was $130 something more and after reading numerous reviews the performance difference didn't justify the asking price.
I got the Gigabyte 4070Ti OC version for $849 plus tax, came out to about $915'ish, I can say it hurts to sit right now with how hard I feel like I just got rammed, but I'm very happy with the step up; it feels like a real upgrade. Going from the 5700XT to the 6700XT felt minimal at best, and the 7700XT would have been the same. Either way I've been testing the games I had to tinker and I was floored, and this was without DLSS:
Forspoken 1440p Ultra w/ RT: 6700XT - 32-36 FPS / 4070 Ti - 89-91 FPS / w/o RT the 6700XT fared better at 54-57 FPS, haven't tested the 4070 Ti w/o it yet.
Gotham Knights 1440p Ultra w/o RT: 6700XT 48-52 FPS / 4070 Ti - 103-105 FPS
Now I know Forspoken isn't optimized but I can't argue with those results. This is a beastly card, and the fact that it can do 4k 60 comfortably reassures me that my purchase will last a good long while, that I won't be upgrading every two years. Honestly my concern with potentially getting the 7700XT is it only being good for two years and having to look at upgrades again. I know I can play games on less than Ultra, but I don't have time like I did before to fine tune games to run good, that and 60 FPS feels weird on a 165hz monitor. Another thing is DLSS 3's Frame Generator feature--that looks like a major game changer, although reviewers are saying it adds a lot of latency, I can't imagine single player games are going to suffer much.
Sorry for the long post.
21 percent improvement at 1440p and 18 percent at 4k... Sad days ahead for pcgaming. Whole market is going to get left behind again like it did in the 360 era.
The 3070Ti was around 26% above the 2080 at 1080p, 33% at 1440p and 37% at 4k
The 2070 super was around 29% above the 1080 at 1080p, 35% at 1440p and 37% at 4k
On techpowerup (like the number above)
The 4070ti is around 22% above a 3080 at 1080p, 20.4% at 1440p, 15% at 4K, hardware unboxed adding RT title here help the 4070Ti I imagine.
To note, the 7900xt was virtually a ti to the 4070ti in their last and I assume quite similar 50 games sample
The 2070 super was around 29% above the 1080 at 1080p, 35% at 1440p and 37% at 4k
On techpowerup (like the number above)
The 4070ti is around 22% above a 3080 at 1080p, 20.4% at 1440p, 15% at 4K, hardware unboxed adding RT title here help the 4070Ti I imagine.
To note, the 7900xt was virtually a ti to the 4070ti in their last and I assume quite similar 50 games sample
Difference is the 3070 ti or the 2070 didn't cost 800+, price per dollar is in the toilet basically.
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Pretty much. People can only justify it by comparing it to other incredibly bad values (3090ti)
I feel the 3070ti certainly did for a good amount of time no ?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096YQ6WVW?aod=1&linkCode=ogi&psc=1&tag=trackalacke0e-20&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Graphic...&qid=1678819917&sprefix=3070ti,aps,104&sr=8-2
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&page=1
And it is not the only difference, has the number in the quoted pointed out the performance upgrade is significantly lower (205 at 1440p instead of previous 30-35%).
Crypto prices, not MSRP, now everything is priced like mining is still around. Those links you put up are irrelevant, the generation is over and amazon scalper pricing isn't what normal people buy cards for typically.
Yes 3070ti for all of is relevant lifespan had crypto price (or I could be missing some small amounts of months)
I am not sure how actual price are not the actual relevant price, could be, but would it not be of the crypto price that 4070ti would never have been $840 usd now making them quite relevant.
You're posting an amazon scalper prices, they're either not in stock or end of life, those are two things that make them irrelevant. No point in discussing anything outside of 50-100 dollars within MSRP. My only original point is that we've effectively gained nothing perf/dollar in an entire generation which I don't remember happening maybe ever aside from refresh gens maybe.
Maybe, but I feel that it was not true when a person said that a 3070ti was never over $800, I feel it was most of the time.
We can go look at evga website directly ($830 usd):
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3797-KL
Perf/dollar since mid 2020 became something that was hard to put of, we gained virtually zero in perf-dollar msrp wise for sure (if not a drop for the 4080 price tag), but it would be a bit revisionist history to talk has if those msrp prices were any "real".
The current offer would have been terrible if the 3080 at $700 and 3070 at $500 would have been the norm all this time, but would have never been launched either.
I paid below the USD MSRP+sales tax for my 3080 Gaming X trio at launch (converted to about 670USD + sales tax) and a friend paid closer to 600USD + sales tax for his 3080 (Asus TUF) before the scalpers and crypto miners started driving prices up. The MSRP was real, it just didn't last that long.
I got my 3080, 3070, and two 6800XT at MSRP. The 3090 I paid over, but it was used from someone here and had an absurdly hard-to-find Optimus block on it already, which I was willing to pay for (both the block and the work to get it mounted, which isn't the most trivial on a 3090 with an active backplate). It was reasonable, but over MSRP for the parts+card technically.
Feel that was before the 3070ti launch, there was even a window about poor people that did not sold their 2080 before the announcement, yes the current offer is terrible to the pre mining market, which changed the pricing model (and what TSMC could charge people and so on)
It is up to consumers to change it back. Lower earnings and market share is the only language AMD and Nvidia understand. Both are trying to raise prices significantly and the only way to make them provide better value is to let their cards sit on the shelves until one lowers their prices significantly, then buy those cards almost exclusively. That would make the other part lower the prices as well. We can only hope Intel gets their drivers fixed and have a significant upgrade in speed on their next gen as a duopoly doesn't work all that great.
I think part of it is significantly increased wafer costs, Samsung needs to step it up big time. TSMC being basically the only company with higher end nodes is a problem. Still though, both companies could likely make fat margins with a lower cost, but we can only approximate what kind of margins they're making now.
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RTX 4070 may have split reviews, with MSRP models released first and then shortly after the more expensive versions will have review embargoes lifted.
Videocardz with more info.
Some other websites are floating a $750 MSRP, not sure how true that is. I suppose if you're dying to get a video card now and were considering a 4070ti or regular 4070, maybe it isn't worth waiting.
Videocardz with more info.
Some other websites are floating a $750 MSRP, not sure how true that is. I suppose if you're dying to get a video card now and were considering a 4070ti or regular 4070, maybe it isn't worth waiting.
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We'll know soon. It will "launch" on April 13. I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to over charge for it. Normally the regular comes first, then the Ti. I think their idea is to do exactly what you said. The Ti is the main model they want to sell, which is why it came first and might be a reason for a grossly over priced 4070.
I could see floating $750 (that maybe actual fancy model on the wild will be at launch) so the super high $650-700 price tag look lower than it is.
If there is enough price differentiation to have 2 embargo date, what would the fancy model priced at if the card start at $750 ?, $815 ?
If there is enough price differentiation to have 2 embargo date, what would the fancy model priced at if the card start at $750 ?, $815 ?
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Lmao. $750. Great deal vs old $2000 cards lol.
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What a steal. Just imagine all the frame gen it can do!
Yeah 3-5% Enjoy!
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At this rate I can't wait to see the $500+ 4060.
Jensen almost had a heart attack when he saw the number 500 together with 4060, must be at least $699....
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Wait. So this has the same core count of the 3070 and is likely to have what...3080 performance? Not to mention its a cut down version of their third tier Lovelace chip. For $749+.
Didn't the 3080 MSRP for $699? Way to move the needle there Nvidia...
Didn't the 3080 MSRP for $699? Way to move the needle there Nvidia...
Again, I don't believe the $750 price for a minute. Maybe some models get there but I suspect the msrp will be more like $650 or $700. The only way $750 happens is if it is basically a paper launch only to make the 4070 ti look less bad.
I saw a 4070 ti for $795 on newegg a couple days ago.
I saw a 4070 ti for $795 on newegg a couple days ago.
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Convince your neighbor to buy the 4070/4070 Ti and then he'll give you his old 5700XT. One of you will be happy.
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And it ain't gonna be the shmuck that was talked into buying one of the worst values aside from the RX 7900 XT on team red's side, that's for damn sure...
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You know, I also didn't believe at first that the 4080 12gb was literally a renamed 4070ti or that a xx70 product was honest to God going to cost $800 and that fanbois would defend BOTH of these moves, yet here we are. Nvidia is so far up it's own ass this gen that literally anything is possible. Nvidia is embracing the clown world meme.
No, that is the rumor for the 4060ti last I saw. "under $500", so $499 with custom cards going up from there. Based on cuda cores, the 4070 should be $600 or so. Anything is possible these days though.
i didnt believe the $800 price of the 4070 ti either...
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It's a better performer than the $1200 3080ti was, has frame gen, runs a lot lower wattage, etc. It only costs $800 to boot. That's a huge gen on gen gain. I didn't believe it either at first!
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Lol. Well using that logic then every single next Gen GPU out there would be considered a good deal. The 3080 TI came out 2 years ago and was considered a ripoff for its price but I guess you forgot about that. Since you really enjoy cherry picking, how about we compare it to the 3080 which was $100 cheaper over two years ago and is only about 15% slower overall. You really have to jump through some hoops and only look at the very poor value high-end enthusiast cards from last gen to try to justify 800 freaking dollars for a 4070 TI with only 12 gigs of VRAM.
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Why does anyone have to justify what they purchase?
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They don't but again it's nonsense when you cherry pick and look at the extreme poor value high end last gen cards to justify the price of a 70 class card. People getting a 70 class card are going to compare it to around a 70 class card from the previous gen as that's probably what they have.