Anybody plan on grabbing one of the new RX7xxx Navi cards on launch?

I'm really interested in seeing performance numbers. I've gone with Nvidia for quite a few generations now. The last time I ran AMD in my main system was when I ran 2x 4870x2 in Quad Crossfire. I milked those cards for ~5 years. The newest AMD card I have is the 7770 in my HTPC. I never had major driver issues with either of those setups, although granted even the 7770 is very old now. The main reason why I started going with nvidia is that they always seemed to perform better compared to AMD in my main game, World of Warcraft. Even when two cards were equal in almost every other game, the nvidia card would have a 10%+ advantage in WoW. I have no idea if that still holds true or not. I've also gotten used to some of the nvidia features such as using Shadowplay to record games with almost zero performance loss even when recording 4K. AMD probably has something comparable but it sucks having to re-learn stuff.

I've actually been trying to buy a 4090 FE every day since the morning of launch. Every day that goes by without being able to buy one makes me feel more and more burned. If the top-end AMD cards are ACTUALLY ABLE TO BE PURCHASED soon after launch, then that will be hard to resist (assuming performance isn't terrible).
 
SamiiRoss said:
if they use the 12VHPWR connector I'm not buying. that thing is a fire hazard.
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They are I believe. As long as card aren't humongous like the 4090s it shouldn't be in a issue. Main cause seems to be people are bending the hell out of the connector to make it fit into their cases.
 
I'll be watching carefully what AMD is bringing in terms of cost/benefit in this new 7xxx. There's no point in buying those cards without an attractive price tag. Adrenaline drivers are better and more stable than Nvidia's, that I find too. You get a glitch every now and then but that happens both sides, so, any of them would eventually crash.
 
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Had flickering problem both on a 6900XT and 3080Ti when using HDR 4k 120hz. Turned out to be a subpar cable issue. Bought two of the same cables, 8K rated, HDMI 2.1 Ultimate. . . ZESKIT cable that fits snuggly into the socket was the cure. These garbage cables on the 3090 would constantly blank out above 60hz, 120hz a blank screen.

In my case, crap cables and not AMD or Nvidia issue. Reviews of AMD or Nvidia GPUs would have caught a consistent issue like this.

I would be more interested in a 7950 XT, if AMD will release sometime in the next 6 months.
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Agree. My ARK 55 came with one fat HDMI 2.1 cable. This thing was almost as fat as power supply cable lol.
 
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They are I believe. As long as card aren't humongous like the 4090s it shouldn't be in a issue. Main cause seems to be people are bending the hell out of the connector to make it fit into their cases.
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Kyle already confirmed on twitter that R7000 series won't be using 600w 12VHPWR connector.
 
Since I can't get a 4090, I will see what RDNA 3 has to offer. I've never bought an AMD gpu. I was actually checking out FSR 2.0 vs DLSS comparisons. I'm actually quite impressed with FSR. However, not many games support it. Also not having to deal with the fire hazard of the 12vhpwr connector is a plus.
 
I went Team Red for a CPU and have been really pleased. I don't see why a GPU would be any different. I'd probably go for it if I were to.
 
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Kyle already confirmed on twitter that R7000 series won't be using 600w 12VHPWR connector.
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good to know!
cvinh said:
Since I can't get a 4090, I will see what RDNA 3 has to offer. I've never bought an AMD gpu. I was actually checking out FSR 2.0 vs DLSS comparisons. I'm actually quite impressed with FSR. However, not many games support it. Also not having to deal with the fire hazard of the 12vhpwr connector is a plus.
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Yes, I usually leave my pc unattended for hours while processing video and audio, there is no way i will use a gpu with that kind of connector in my house.
 
I plan to pick up a 7800xt or 7900xt depending on price and reviews. I'm using a 3070 that was in an open box ROG pre-built I snagged for $1100 at BB during the gouge. Considering people were paying 1100 for a 3070 on ebay at the time I jumped on it. Swapped the garbage case, PSU, RAM and cooling for under $1500. I will happily pay MSRP for a card, what I won't do is buy something that is heavily in demand and marked up accordingly.
 
What's the rumored approx. % performance upgrade going from a RTX-3080 10GB to a 7900XT for 4K gaming?
 
I will be staying on my 6900XT but I look forward to seeing what AMD will release. Bigger issue though is pricing, if it keeps going up and up it's going to hurt the hobby and PC gaming in general.
 
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I will be staying on my 6900XT but I look forward to seeing what AMD will release. Bigger issue though is pricing, if it keeps going up and up it's going to hurt the hobby and PC gaming in general.
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There will always be something on the lower tiers or previous gen GPUs for those on a budget. I think most enthusiasts look forward to what technology can push. Just look at 4090 demand even though it's a $1600-$2000 gpu. And with Intel joining the discrete graphics market, competition will keep the pricing from getting too out of control.
 
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What's the rumored approx. % performance upgrade going from a RTX-3080 10GB to a 7900XT for 4K gaming?
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According to AMD RDNA3 would be 50% more performant watt, which seem to indicate at a minimum 55% higher than a 3080 (has I doubt they had reducing power over the 6900xt in mind).

Maybe the previous RDNA gain over Ampere at 1440p being larger than at 4k could stop to be the case (higher memory bandwidth, even larger-better cache, etc...) here which would make the minimum expected figure a bit higher.
 
Gideon said:
I will be staying on my 6900XT but I look forward to seeing what AMD will release. Bigger issue though is pricing, if it keeps going up and up it's going to hurt the hobby and PC gaming in general.
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Excellent point.

What's a PS5 cost? $500 or so? And you can buy an OLED TV with 120hz refresh rate for like $1,000 or so. So for like $1,500+ you can buy a brand new console and get a 55" OLED TV to play it on.

Or just buy a single video card. LOL

Just in general, not even buying a RTX 4090, but let's say discounted RTX 3080 Ti, that's still gonna run you $600+, then you need a Case, PSU, Motherboard, Memory, SSD, a Monitor, and Keyboard +Mouse, which would run like $2,500 to $3,000 for all of that, and that's doing budget components.

A lot of people cannot afford to spend $3,000 to $4,000 on a high end custom gaming rig, compared to like $1500 - $1750 on a new console + TV.
 
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Zorachus said:
Excellent point.

What's a PS5 cost? $500 or so? And you can buy an OLED TV with 120hz refresh rate for like $1,000 or so. So for like $1,500+ you can buy a brand new console and get a 55" OLED TV to play it on.

Or just buy a single video card. LOL

Just in general, not even buying a RTX 4090, but let's say discounted RTX 3080 Ti, that's still gonna run you $600+, then you need a Case, PSU, Motherboard, Memory, SSD, a Monitor, and Keyboard +Mouse, which would run like $2,500 to $3,000 for all of that, and that's doing budget components.

A lot of people cannot afford to spend $3,000 to $4,000 on a high end custom gaming rig, compared to like $1500 - $1750 on a new console + TV.
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PS5 (theoretical) level performance in the video card could be had in a 6700 (non-xt) for $350, that sort of performance will be sub-$300 in this upcoming gen, meaning that a PS5 level PC will be sub-$800.

For all the dramatics in the video card market above $500, they are about as relevant to most pc gaming enthusiasts' experience as a formula 1 car.
 
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Probably not but I guess it really depends, maybe when the x3d part 7000 ryzen comes out I might get one and make a new build.
 
As someone who is desperately trying to eke out a few more months of his 9 year old cpu (4790K)and 6 year old gpu (1080Ti) before doing an entire new system purchase I'm very excited of course!

That said if I was betting money I suspect I will end up in the 4090 camp, and probably due entirely to the 4090's RT performance and the (rumored) relative weakness the 7900XTX will have there. Basically the 4090 is the first card that has good to great RT performance pretty much in whatever you throw at it, at 4K. That plus its raster make it a 4K juggernaut pretty much across the board. The power requirement is heavy but manageable (particularly since I'll 99% be going AMD Zen 4X3D for my new cpu) and cost doesnt really sway me since I will ride it out for at LEAST 5 years, if not more.

the 7900XTX *could* sway me but I think its unlikely. Basically it would have to be no slower than 10% behind the 4090 in RT (unlikely?) and in addition to that, ballpark equivalent raster performance and some significant price saving to entice me over.

So yes, very excited to see, but not holding my breath that I will end up a buyer...
 
Zorachus said:
Excellent point.

What's a PS5 cost? $500 or so? And you can buy an OLED TV with 120hz refresh rate for like $1,000 or so. So for like $1,500+ you can buy a brand new console and get a 55" OLED TV to play it on.

Or just buy a single video card. LOL

Just in general, not even buying a RTX 4090, but let's say discounted RTX 3080 Ti, that's still gonna run you $600+, then you need a Case, PSU, Motherboard, Memory, SSD, a Monitor, and Keyboard +Mouse, which would run like $2,500 to $3,000 for all of that, and that's doing budget components.

A lot of people cannot afford to spend $3,000 to $4,000 on a high end custom gaming rig, compared to like $1500 - $1750 on a new console + TV.
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No, it's not an excellent point. It's the same BS rubbish that's spouted at almost every new GPU release and definitely after every console release. Going right back to the early 2000's, the exact same things were been said, that the high price of Graphics cards were going to ruin PC gaming. And who would buy a GPU when you could buy a gaming console and TV for much cheaper than a PC.

It was nonsense back then and its still nonsense now. Predicting the death of PC gaming based on the price of the top cards is stupid.

People who buy Halo Graphic cards like the 3080Ti/4090/6900 are a niche in the PC gaming market. The bulk of PC gamers are on sub $300 cards.
 
But video cards were typically around the price of a new console.

Now they're triple the price.

A PS5 is around $500, but today $500 gets you a shitty budget card like a RTX-4050 only meant for like 1080p monitors.

But to play a new game @ 4k with smooth graphics you need a beefy expensive GPU
 
Zorachus said:
But video cards were typically around the price of a new console.

Now they're triple the price.

A PS5 is around $500, but today $500 gets you a shitty budget card like a RTX-4050 only meant for like 1080p monitors.

But to play a new game @ 4k with smooth graphics you need a beefy expensive GPU
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A PS 5 has roughly a 5700 XT which you can get on fleabay for like 180 bucks. The RX 6650 XT should beat it and they're on sale regularly for 260-270 these days.
 
Zorachus said:
But video cards were typically around the price of a new console.

Now they're triple the price.

A PS5 is around $500, but today $500 gets you a shitty budget card like a RTX-4050 only meant for like 1080p monitors.

But to play a new game @ 4k with smooth graphics you need a beefy expensive GPU
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Meh.

Take a look at the steam survey and you'll see over 70% of users' primary screens are still at that "shitty card"-level 1080p or below, which means they'd be fine with a $170 rx6500xt or a $250 rx6600.

The only thing that has changed is that we got some high, higher, and highest market segments stuck on top of the old high-end and that everyone seems to be losing their heads over it.

Imo it is much more problematic that nvidia refuses to compete in those traditionally low to mid-range areas and that those reporting on it are letting themselves be herded into mostly ignoring those markets. We can see the downsides of this with the rx6500xt and rx6400 being needlessly gimped and, indeed, the spreading of the myth that one needs to spend those big bucks to enter the hobby.
 
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Depends on the price / performance ratio, but I'm almost certain no. The 7950 XT/XTX does sound interesting based on the rumored specs, but it's going to cost a pretty penny.
 
A typical 4090 cooler configuration is a sure way for me to ignore AMD offerings. Let's hope not. AIO would be my preference, no more than 3 slots for air for a consideration.

Just hope AMD does not add any stupid gimmicks like crap frame insertion with increase lag switch.

Or flimsy power connector that can't hold up 1" of its cable without bursting into flames. :D

Kidding aside, looking very much forward to AMD options. Seems like performance will be around if not above Nvidia 4090 in raster, no clue for other stuff. For RNDA 2/3 aware RT games, optimize to use the very smart cache, mega shaders/compute (multiple shaders or compute operations in a single shader) RT will be very good. For less than optimize RT who knows.
 
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A typical 4090 cooler configuration is a sure way for me to ignore AMD offerings. Let's hope not. AIO would be my preference, no more than 3 slots for air for a consideration.

Just hope AMD does not add any stupid gimmicks like crap frame insertion with increase lag switch.

Or flimsy power connector that can't hold up 1" of its cable without bursting into flames. :D

Kidding aside, looking very much forward to AMD options. Seems like performance will be around if not above Nvidia 4090 in raster, no clue for other stuff. For RNDA 2/3 aware RT games, optimize to use the very smart cache, mega shaders/compute (multiple shaders or compute operations in a single shader) RT will be very good. For less than optimize RT who knows.
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All those 4090 coolers were designed for 600W usage. You might see a couple of companies use them again for 7900, but the size issues are just too damning overall. I think the high end N31 will come in under 350W. So I would guess that we will see AIBs put forth some design resources to save on materials and manufacturing over the long haul.
 
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Depends on VR performance and codec support. Decent Ray Tracing performance would be nice too.
 
Hoping for 7900XT ref card to be $999 but inflation will probably push it above the 6900XT msrp but we will see. If AMD follows the 7950x pricing (vs 5950x), maybe there is a very small chance that it could be $899. Yeah, I'm dreaming and it's free.
 
Even if the pricing is $1200, will you actually be able to pick one up? Or be a phantom card like the non existent RTX 4090 FE
 
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Even if the pricing is $1200, will you actually be able to pick one up? Or be a phantom card like the non existent RTX 4090 FE
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Yeah in a year or two when the next gen cards are ready to drop and prices aren't ignorant. This very well could be the new norm so plan accordingly.
 
Pricing will tell the tale if I get one. Always favor AMD because of OSS drivers for Linux. Pretty excited for the 3rd.
 
Hmmm went from a RX480 to a 6700XT that I paid £200 over the odds for 18 months ago. I wasn't that bothered as I'd had a decent inheritance so was flush. But haven't really pushed the 6700XT.

The main reason was I wanted to hand the RX480 to my brother to use.

Probably be a 9XXX series for me next.
 
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