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Friendlypirate80

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im thinking of getting one i dont overclock but i might down the line in the future you think i can over clock it to fx levels ? :)
 
probably about the same.. maybe an extra 50-100mhz at the very most with a high end cooler.
 
hmm, if you don't plan to oc for a while, maybe, maybe not. it all depends on if you think the extra money is worth the extra 10% more performance
 
ok so if i get the 3800 its clocked at 2.4 ghz can i overclock it on retail hsf to 2.6 the same clock as the fx processoor ?
 
no guarrantees, but it's the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor, yes. just remember that the FX has 1mb of cache while the 3500+ and 3800+ have 512kb
 
i was reading becnhmarks and it really didnt show that much of a difference in cache in games so i doubt i will miss 512 of cache plus the fx is 800 bucks !

can i post the build im thinking of making ?
 
The Rev. E chips seem to hit 2.8GHz pretty easily. The only difference between the lowest and highest Venice chip is that one has a higher multiplier, and has been pre-tested at a higher speed.

If you're already going to pay for a 3800+ Venice, you might want to get a 3700+ San Diego, they're about $320-340, and have the 1MB cache. I got a 3000+ Venice since it's only $150 and will probably be around the same overclocked performance as anything else. But again that's overclocked, which isn't ever a sure thing (even if it does look like it's nearly so with the Rev. E chips).

I've seen as high as 8-12% due to the extra cache, but that varies a lot from one program to the next. It's a Good Thing.
 
Antec Solution SLK3000-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail 45.00
ENERMAX EG425P-VE SFMA 2.0 ATX12V 420W Power Supply - Retail 76.00

AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Newcastle 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor - Retail 371.00
CHAINTECH VNF4/Ultra Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 84.00
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) - Retail 82.55
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 SATA NCQ ST380017AS 80GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive - OEM 68.00
NEC ND-3520A Black IDE DVD Burner - OEM 48.99
eVGA Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card - Retail 177.00

Total 952.54

i dont want to overclock but maybe i will do a light overclock to fx levels

also i went with a standard 6600gt becuase i heard the next generation of video cards are coming this summer ? and i will use the 6600gt till the new ones come out and then upgrade

what you think ?
 
I just put a modest OC onto my 3200+, actually a perfect 200mhz OC, this is so it performs exactly as a 3500+ does, and I saved a few dollars. Later, however, I'll be picking up a 3700+ San Diego. I guess that the single-core'd chips will out perform the dual cores at gaming, and that's what I do...
 
that's a very good start :D

though, if you plan on ditching the video card anyway (or would you use it in a different rig?), i'd go with the non-gt 6600, save about $50 ;)
(though it's... a lot slower)

also, on the 3800+, make sure you get a venice core instead of newcastle. it'll run a lot cooler, have sse3, a better memory controller and oc better when you get around to it :cool:
 
the 3700 san digo sounds good but ive been waiting over a monnth to build my new comp this is nuts ! when will it release ?

and if i get a 3700 san diago will it work on my chaintech board ? do i have to do any bios update ?
 
Newcastle >> Venice/San Diego
Chaintech >> MSI/DFI
Corsair >> Crucial, TwinMOS, Patriot 2x1GB
 
Hey, go check out monarch, If I'm correct, they're already released.

Oh, and w/ that San Diego, It'll be time for me to get some more/better ram. Maybe some TwinMOS SP.
 
i'm not sure if it'll need a bios update or not. it'll probably boot with an older bios, but do strange things until you get the new one in.

i'm a big fan of the 3700+, it's a cool number. the only problem is that it only offers an extra 512kb of cache over the 3500+, nothing more.. which makes it somewhat difficult to justify the purchase
 
ashmedai said:
Newcastle >> Venice/San Diego
Chaintech >> MSI/DFI
Corsair >> Crucial, TwinMOS, Patriot 2x1GB
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All of your greater-than/less-than symbols are backwards!

It should be:

Venice/San Diego > Newcastle/Clawhammer
MSI & DFI > Chaintech (& ABIT for that matter, I wish that the Fatal1ty boards didn't suck)
Crucial, TwinMOS, Patriot, (OCZ) > Corsair
 
They're logical symbols not mathematical, notice the double ">" instead of just one. It's symbolizing replacement not relationships. :eek:

I could have gone "-->" but it's off-center in this font and besides which I can't type it correctly on the laptop-size keyboard that this computer has. Hopefully FedEx will bring me my Venice soon and I can use my good hardware.
 
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB 90nm Rev. E (ADA3700BNBOX) (939) (Retail Box-w-Fan)Shipping Starts(May 20th)

may 20th it ships 2.2ghz and 1mb cache and SSE 3 whats that ? SSE3?

i think i will get that and a msi mobo i dont like dfi maybe the chaintech one :-(
 
also it said this on monarch in small red letters lol

NOTE: In order for Motherboard to POST with this CPU, the lastest BIOS NEEDS to be installed.
 
Friendlypirate80 said:
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB 90nm Rev. E (ADA3700BNBOX) (939) (Retail Box-w-Fan)Shipping Starts(May 20th)

may 20th it ships 2.2ghz and 1mb cache and SSE 3 whats that ? SSE3?

i think i will get that and a msi mobo i dont like dfi maybe the chaintech one :-(
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Why don't you like the DFI mobo? I have an Ultra-D and love it.
 
Friendlypirate80 said:
also it said this on monarch in small red letters lol

NOTE: In order for Motherboard to POST with this CPU, the lastest BIOS NEEDS to be installed.
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That's probably if the latets BIOS don't come on the board already.
 
ashmedai said:
They're logical symbols not mathematical, notice the double ">" instead of just one. It's symbolizing replacement not relationships. :eek:

I could have gone "-->" but it's off-center in this font and besides which I can't type it correctly on the laptop-size keyboard that this computer has. Hopefully FedEx will bring me my Venice soon and I can use my good hardware.
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Ah, okay, I thought that you were saying that they were greater than, and every one of them was backwards... lol.
 
moarch seems pretty good i get the processor and mobo combo and they install it for me and update the bios for me and i get a free copy of halflife and farcry !

to bad i have to wait another month :-(
 
Friendlypirate80 said:
NOTE: In order for Motherboard to POST with this CPU, the lastest BIOS NEEDS to be installed.
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The BIOS my DFI nF4 Ultra-D shipped with supports Rev. E processors (although the 3/10 version does it better).

MSI is good stuff, DFI has more options available which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

May 20th is the retail pack...the OEM will be out on the date I mentioned (unless it gets moved ahead/back for some reason).

I haven't dealt with Chaintech in a while but the motherboards/video cards/sound cards I dealt with by them in my system building days left me with a bit of a negative impression. They're kinda like Gigabyte...they go to a lot of trouble to make their products LOOK high quality, without actually being very good.
 
Pick up the OEM version of the 3700+ (ADA3700DAA5BN) which should ship from Monarch early next week. Add the 3-year warranty through Monarch for $15 if you want. Then grab a decent HSF and you're good to go on the processor front.

Very close to the build I'm putting together 'cept I went w/the DFI board, the 160gb version of that HDD, a different PSU and some TwinMOS memory (not the SP, unfortunately).

Will be a sweet li'l system when yer done!!
 
i just check newegg and they got the venice in stock OEM the 3500 one

im thinking of gettting that ....... what you guys think
 
Yeah but thats newegg's only venice... -_-

I am planning a build kinda like that. The price comes out to be about the same. Im getting a 3200+ Venice, DFI SLi mobo, OCZ VX 3200 ram, Antec PSU, and AS5 + XP-120 for cooling. I am waiting for the next-gen cards like you so I decided to get a 6600GT until then. LoL what a coincidence.

BTW, >> conventionally means "much greater than", so you message wasn't very clear. Use at least one "-", "-->" makes it much clearer.
 
I don't think that mathematically there's such a thing as "much greater than"...the concept of "much" is rather vague, for one thing.

VX is a waste of money, it's TwinMOS Speed Premium for double the price.

I'd go with a Venice 3000 or 3200, elsewise wait a week(ish) for the San Diego 3700. With a 3500 you're paying too much when the lower numbered Venices will overclock just as high, and for a little more you'd have a 3700.
 
I had no idea you can overclock the same with retail heatsink and a better heatsink, it will just be hotter, right? How safe is it to overclock about 200Mhz on a retail heatsink?

Also, how long does the OEM warraty last. If I order from Monarch without the 3 year warranty, it should be 1 year? I heard someone say 30 days and it scared me.
 
gt216 said:
I had no idea you can overclock the same with retail heatsink and a better heatsink, it will just be hotter, right? How safe is it to overclock about 200Mhz on a retail heatsink?
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The retail heatsinks are pretty good these days, although the good aftermarket ones will allow for better/quieter cooling. 200MHz is not that ambitious on an A64...for example running at 250MHz with 9x multiplier yields a 450MHz overclock. Venice chips can (from presently available data) hit 2.8GHz fairly easily, which would be a 1000MHz overclock if achieved on a Venice 3000+ A64.

It seems like not that long ago a 1GHz chip was a big thing...now you can overclock by that much on stock voltage/cooling...freaky.
 
not only is the stock heatsink actually decent, the 90nm cores put out 22w less than the original cpu's the heatsinks were paired up with (130nm = 89w, 90nm = 67w)
(yes, i know this isn't exactly accurate, but it demonatrates a good point)
 
And for reference, I just bumped my chip up 200 mhz last night to 2.2 ghz, on stock cooling. Prime95 max load is 37*C. Idle is about 28*-30*C. I want to bring it up another 200 mhz, but I'm not sure what settings will allow me to keep my ram at exactly 200mhz. I got 2.3 yesturday, w/ the ram at 191mhz. My ram, for some reason hates being OC'd, and it's supposed to be guaranteed to run DDR433 at 2.5-3-3-7. CLU-Z rates the chips at 2.5-4-4-8 for this speed. So i'm happy staying at DDr400, w/ nice timings of 2.5-3-3-6. This is, at least, until I can afford some of that TwinMOS.

So, bottom line: On my DFI board, what ram divider should I use to keep my ram at 200mhz, while the HTT is at 240? Also, I think that I'll need to bump the voltage to the chip to get it to go higher. I had to bring the voltage to 1.45v to get to 2.3ghz. This is startup voltage, and run time volts.

To get it to boot, could I run a higher start-up voltage, then a stock runtime voltage?
 
I would have preferred the 3700 w/1M cache. On paper, I suspect this is the CPU to own if you wanted to overclock. I’m sick of waiting. I ordered the CPU last night and went with the 3800 Venice since it was in stock, rather than waiting till the 20th to order 3700. I will probably leave it stock speeds.

For me, I’m gunning for a workstation where I spend most of my time pushing code and working with VMWare images. VMWare emulates hardware, so you need a stupid amount of RAM. Got 4x1G sticks going into this box – in theory, the rev E chips should handle all four slots populated. We shall see when FedEx shows up…
 
Project_2501 said:
So, bottom line: On my DFI board, what ram divider should I use to keep my ram at 200mhz, while the HTT is at 240? Also, I think that I'll need to bump the voltage to the chip to get it to go higher. I had to bring the voltage to 1.45v to get to 2.3ghz.
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jsut do 245x9 with a "166mhz (5:6)" ram divider. it works out to be 2.2ghz and 200mhz :D
 
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