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Just the 5800x3D. I think I might just down size to it from my 5950x. All I do is game on my PC.
Same TDP. That extra cache consumes a non-trivial amount of power; so they had to lower clocks to keep the thermals in check.
The bigger question is how the OC headroom is affected, I don't know anybody running an X series AMD CPU that doesn't at least have the marginal OC that the MB setup basically walks you through. So if the same clocks are achievable with the AiO's they are all basically running then yay? I'm more wondering about price and availability.
suppose to beat or, at the very least, trade blows with 12th gen intel in games so, regardless of the 200mhz clock difference, for a strictly gaming rig it's a tempting upgrade for someone still on ryzen 3000. and like someone else said you can prob make up the clock difference with beefy cooling.
I just don’t think it’s going to be easy to get one. It’ll be scalped it’s entire short run.
Doubt it will be scalped much. They tried scalping the 12900k when it launched and they got hosed. CPUs are not in huge demand. You have many in stock options.
I don't know about that. The 12900k is different given that it's a main-line release with plenty of production time, and lots of production capacity thrown at it.
CPU's are generally always 'cache limited'. The more cache you can throw on there for the CPU to access with lower latency the faster certain types of applications will run, as the CPU isn't having to wait as long for memory access. A larger cache helps out a lot in open-world games in particular since there is so much memory access going on.
No one is going to pay scalper prices when they could get a 5900x or 5950x for less.
I'm not even talking scalper prices. The normal release MSRP of the 5800X3D will likely be $450, and due to supply/demand will likely never get cheaper than that. You can get a 5900X for $450 from Microcenter, and every-so-often from Amazon at around that price as well. That's the issue.
No, but given the tanking prices in the 5800X i'd suspect it must be soon since retailers are trying to unload that thing.
Kind of wish they would have given us at least a 5900X3D, but I feel like they're not doing that because it would likely chomp at the heels of the 6900X or whatever they are going to call it.
Many fail to realize Intel has more “7” fab space dedicated to the 12’th gen run than TSMC has fab space. AMD may technically have the better product but Intel can meet demand for theirs plus pick up the slack AMD and TSMC leave behind.
AMD’s cache is both hot and power hungry, the trade off in clock speeds they would need for a 5900x3D or god forbid a 5950x3D would be enough so that the extra cache would be wasted. I don’t think the AM4 socket could physically handle those chips.
A few reason I think we didn't see anything other then a 5800x3D. They are saving the chiplets with 3D vram for the server market. AMD makes way more money in that market. And #2, it sounds like we are close to Zen4 release date? It sounds like its coming out on July possibly? With AM4 being End of Life....no real reason to bring out a full line up.
Intel makes their CPUs in their own fabs. They don't have to compete with anyone else for production capacity. 10th, 11th, and 12th gen supplies have been solid, throughout the pandemic.
Don't forget their Epic lineup and the Threadrippers.
For higher-FPS games that are more clock dependent, yes, this will provide nothing/be slower over a normal 5800x, and will be slower than a 5900x. I opted to go with a 5900x as I was up near a microcenter and could pick one up for $450. Long-term, I think the 5900x/5950x will last longer anyways due to the higher core count.
Unless plan on adding the GPU to that loop then OC'ing the lot beyond what your air setup is currently capable of handling then it generally isn't worth it beyond photogenic bragging rights. If you are just looking to OC the CPU beyond what your air setup is capable of then a larger AiO is probably the easiest way to go about it.
It's not worthless, I mean if they can get people to buy it then it's worth at least that much, and it's a solid retail proof of concept that lets them use it to iron out any potential issues for Zen4 before its too late to implement the design changes. It's a feature test.
Or some games ? big cache seem to help game performance quite a bit (very often people mistake the added cores for the difference in game performance between CPUs when it is also the added cache, sometime only the added cache):
XT series..
I think that has to do with sales just being down. Anyone who wanted one likely already got it, and many are likely just waiting for AM5 stuff at this point.
It's just the added cache. Clocks lower due to the increased power consumption of the cache.
