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Oh I have no problem with it. I think it makes a lot of sense for some.
AMD does not have great memory schedulers on their processors, the larger cache size makes up for them, it is not hard to put a high core count AMD processor into a state where a core will spend more time waiting for a memory channel to become available then it does actually transferring the data from Ram to its Cache. The increased cache size reduces the number of times the cores have to go back to the Ram for more data and causes those calls to get spread out easing the pressure on the memory schedulers. I don't know how well this is going to scale up at this stage but it will be very interesting to see what AMD does with it for sure.
It should still help out in the lows though, AI and physics calculations are cache intensive and those are what tend to cause the dips more than not on AMD when suddenly the CPU has to have 2 of the cores dump their cache to go fetch a new set to suddenly calculate a crash or some partial effect. So while at 1440p or 4K you are still going to be GPU bound for the most part you are still going to see a smoother performance as a result, but if you are already on a 5000 series CPU you could see the same uplift with a relatively minor overclock.
In the last few days a few articles have come out saying Zen 4 will have a focus on faster RAM access ("memory overclocking" is the phrase used). We'll have to wait to see how that goes, of course.
That's good to know, but they need it, with their existing setup on Zen 3 DDR5 would be wasted on that platform unless they make significant changes.
dammit, i looked but missed them...
Curiously, how much code does one compile that has you looking for more performance than a 5800x provides?
Not really. We are still not sitting comfortably in 4K gaming. Any recent title can bring even a 3090 TI to it's knees. DLSS / FSR help but those will do the same thing. They reduce the GPU load. When that happens the CPU starts to matter more.
This right here ^^^
Only? I think this chip will be faster in most everything especially gaming.
I used to do that but really is a moving goalpost.
Well yeah, really 90+ fps, my existing setup does 60-90 reliably, but maintaining 90+ would be ideal. 120+ is a bit extreme, didn’t think that through.
Indeed, it does. For Hardware unboxed tests: All of the games had quite a bit better minimum framerates. And for half of the games tested----the minimum framerates for the 5800x3D are higher than the average framerates for the 5900x and 5950x. Pretty interesting stuff. Equally interesting is that a 12900k with DDR5 6400 had similar results.
Agreed you give a good realistic range. Having grown up on crts 80 to 90 on them is a good minimum, I'd assume oled would be similar.
depends on the workflow. 5900x is more useful for most productivity workflows. 5800x3D in gaming, often gives minimum framerates which are as good or better than 5900x's average framerates.
Some type of project (specially if you have to build all your dependency from time to time) can get ridiculously large.
For a reference a $109 core i3 12100F beat a 3700x in almost all games, one could expect the core i3 14100 will beat the 5800x3d in most games in just 2 years or at least the 14400 and would be relatively cheap used once the 15 series is out in 3 year's.
That part right there. It's not cheap to switch platforms. So until DDR5 pricing comes down I'm going to hold off as long as possible.
That really is where AMD shines currently, the long lived AM4 platform allows you to do that.Glad to hear that the 5800x3d seems to be another AMD hit.
See my sig: I have a forlorn 2700x that is just begging to be replaced. Obviously, using the Trickle Down Upgrade Path (TDUP), I'll drop a new 5800x3d into my 5800x rig, use THAT in one of the 3700x, and then the 3700x replaces the 2700x.
One new CPU, three upgrades. At a list of $450 for the 5800x3d, that means I'm only paying $150 per cpu upgrade. Win, win, win.
Yep, we all pretty much know Z790 will be it for 12/13th gen intel.
The 5950X will be replacing my 3900X, my wife will be getting the the 3900X to replace her 1700, and that 1700 is gonna be going into a dedicated server box methinks. I'm not sure where yet, but i'll make it work.
The games where it performed the worst were actually older. The newest ones showed the biggest gains. Anything that wasn't confined to a single core is where you'll see benefit even at 2K.
