5600x vs 5900x vs 5600x3D in a 5L ITX case

[Vengance_01]

I am down sizing from my build in my signature to a case haft the size. I don't game nearly as much and I have always been curious about super small ITX builds. Looking for a workstation thats small, portable(Maybe a LAN party here or their) After my failed attempt to pass my RTX a2000 SFF gpu to a windows VM(Asrock Server mobo) would crash the VM I knew I had to build something with it. So here we are.

Cooling will be in a K39 v3 which is well ventilated. Max cooler height is 54mm and I have the Themeralright AXP90-x47 full copper with a Noctua 90x14mm Chromamax Fan. I will also be using the foam ducts from Noctua to close the gap from the side of the case to the heatsink. Power supply is gold FSP 300watt Flex-ATX and GPU is 70 watts max(no 6 pin connector) The case splits the the GPU from the CPU and the RTX a2000 is a blower style thus will expel hot-air straight out the case.

I am leaning towards the 5900x used here for 200$. I will be using PBO and CO and trying to max single core boost and light threads and sacrifice all core work load speeds. Motherboard is B550 Gaming Strix with active power delivery cooling. Plan to run Power Target in PBO around 85 watts which I think will do exactly what I need given the 5900X is only a 105watt part. I just don't think this setup would cope well with the heat the 5600x3d puts out plus with double the cores and threads on the 5900, the extra cache will not make up the difference. Looking for thoughts. I plan to sell my 5600g(plus you loose PCI-E gen 4 due to onboard APU parts) to offset costs and please don't tell me to build with 7000 chips. Don't want to get a new mobo or ram. This is more of a budget build and using parts from my old computer.

 

[funkydmunky]

Only you know what you want and why are you using such an anemic PS while asking for an upgrade?

 

[Vengance_01]

Only you know what you want and why are you using such an anemic PS while asking for an upgrade?

300 watts will be more than enough for a 100 watt CPU and 70 watt GPU. there are no other components plus due to the case there are not many good flex-ATX options from trust worthy companies..So next either add to conversation or don't bother posting at all

 

[toast0]

If you dob't already have the axp90x47, you migjt consider the x53 instead. With the Noctua 90x14, you'll be at 52mm total height, which will still fit and I think that extra material will let you dissapate more heat. Although, I don't think the x53 comes in copper, so there's that.

I'm running your proposed heatsink and fan combo (noctua, but not chromax) with a 4650g, and there's not much headroom when it's running full blast at 65w, I'd guess you'll hit thermal limits if you pull 85w or more.

 

[Vengance_01]

If you dob't already have the axp90x47, you migjt consider the x53 instead. With the Noctua 90x14, you'll be at 52mm total height, which will still fit and I think that extra material will let you dissapate more heat. Although, I don't think the x53 comes in copper, so there's that.

I'm running your proposed heatsink and fan combo (noctua, but not chromax) with a 4650g, and there's not much headroom when it's running full blast at 65w, I'd guess you'll hit thermal limits if you pull 85w or more.

people are saying the x47 full copper is better than the new x53 and that would only leave me 1mm side clearance from the side case. it will cause more turbulence and noise. I am also going to 3d print a 120mm dan adapter and test it vs the duct x47. I have a 5600 as fall back in my server and move the 5900x there if need due to heat.

 

[toast0]

Sounds like a good plan. For $200, the 5900x is worth a try, and your server will apprechiate it if it doesn't work out in the small space.

 

[chameleoneel]

5600x3D massively spanks the 5900x in gaming. So....if you want to emphasize gaming, that's the move. While warmer than a 5600x---- 5600x3D should be very easy to cool. and it will maintain clocks just fine. You just have to change the way you think about a fan curve. Its not necessarily about keeping it as low temp as possible. Find a happy medium where noise is good, and the chip is still doing its thing at full clocks.

5900x of course massiveliy spanks the 5600x3D in multicore work. So, if you want to emphasize that, then choose the 5900x.

 

[Vengance_01]

5600x3D massively spanks the 5900x in gaming. So....if you want to emphasize gaming, that's the move. 5600x3D should be very easy to cool.

5900x of course massiveliy spanks the 5600x3D in multicore work. So, if you want to emphasize that, then choose the 5900x.

Pretty sure the 5600x3d is harder to cool than the 5900x. The 5900x also has higher single core boost speeds. My needs are 60/40 split (Multi-Core/Gaming). But I am not playing demanding games. For example the RTX a2000 destroys Armor Core 6 at 1440p mix of med/high locked at 60 FPS .

Also got it for 200$ and can move it into my ProxMox box and steal the standard 5600 to get access to PCI-E Gen 4 and sell the 5600g

 

[chameleoneel]

Pretty sure the 5600x3d is harder to cool than the 5900x. The 5900x also has higher single core boost speeds. My needs are 60/40 split (Multi-Core/Gaming). But I am not playing demanding games. For example the RTX a2000 destroys Armor Core 6 at 1440p mix of med/high locked at 60 FPS .

Also got it for 200$ and can move it into my ProxMox box and steal the standard 5600 to get access to PCI-E Gen 4 and sell the 5600g

The V-cache makes single core boost comparisons irrelevant. For most games, a 5600x3D is at least as good as a 7600. and sometimes even beats a 7700x.

That said, an a2000 probably isn't fast enough to really show most of the benefit of a 5600x3D. So, for a split duty system, the 5900x is probably a better buy, currently. However, the 5600x3D would drive an GPU upgrade much better.

 

[Vengance_01]

The V-cache makes single core boost comparisons irrelevant. For most games, a 5600x3D is at least as good as a 7600. and sometimes even beats a 7700x.

That said, an a2000 probably isn't fast enough to really show most of the benefit of a 5600x3D. So, for a split duty system, the 5900x is probably a better buy, currently. However, the 5600x3D would drive an GPU upgrade much better.

sadly I will be waiting a bit for an upgrade. This is best GPU that can fit in this system. Hoping for a 4060 like card or better budget card will come to market in the future. RTX a4000 SFF is a beast of a card but wayyyyy to much money. Got this A2000 for about 225$ considering it lands between the 3050 and 3060 only drawing 70 watts is pretty crazy

 

[chameleoneel]

sadly I will be waiting a bit for an upgrade. This is best GPU that can fit in this system. Hoping for a 4060 like card or better budget card will come to market in the future. RTX a4000 SFF is a beast of a card but wayyyyy to much money. Got this A2000 for about 225$ considering it lands between the 3050 and 3060 only drawing 70 watts is pretty crazy

Gigabyte's 4060 OC low profile 8G

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4060OC-8GL#kf


Should fit in your case.

https://hardforum.com/threads/the-o...-besides-the-4090-a-low-profile-4060.2029407/

 

[Vengance_01]

can't tell but does it require a six pin? if not that will be in my future potential when it comes down in price. IMO blower style cooler like the a2000 is the better choice

 

[Vengance_01]

Well its built. This 5900 non X is a beast! Gonna need to run some benchmarks and compare temps and heat. I also have a buddy printing a 120mm fan adapter for my AXP-47. What concerns me the most is the chipset and M2.2 temps when this thing is under full load. Idle is sitting about 48-50C using -20 on all cores for CO and PBO is enabled with custom power. Trying to find the right balance between heat and all core speed without sacrificing light load speeds.

 

[learners permit]

I have a SilverStone SST-ST45SF with maybe 25hrs on it if your looking to upgrade your psu. Been sitting on a shelf for a few years from a failed sff build(too hot gpu). I'd part with it cheap if your interested pm me as it will certainly continue collecting dust here. BTW it has 2 8 pin pci-e connectors.

 

[Vengance_01]

I have a SilverStone SST-ST45SF with maybe 25hrs on it if your looking to upgrade your psu. Been sitting on a shelf for a few years from a failed sff build(too hot gpu). I'd part with it cheap if your interested pm me as it will certainly continue collecting dust here. BTW it has 2 8 pin pci-e connectors.

sadly I need flex-ATX type PSU which is even smaller than the SFF PSU specs

 

[Vengance_01]

Also I discovered you can change PBO to a negative off-set to keep the Single Thread Boost voltage in check. So after limiting single core to around 4.5GHZ it keep voltage around 1.15-1.18 vs the 1.3+ which would spike temps. I am going to try the ID-Cooling IS-55 which has a 120mm fan vs 92 and 5 6mm heatpipes vs 4 and more fin surface. Lets see if this will allow we to gain so more all core work load clock speeds