42" OLED MASTER THREAD

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One reason why LG Electronics seem to be able to differentiate themselves in the OLED market is that they have a sufficient level of vertical integration.
- LG electronics has sufficient economies scale in the TV business to build their own LG1213 (alpha series of TV SoC's) system on chip which designed to support the processing required for 8K TV's and 4 HDMI 2.1 Ports. This SoC is re-used across their top range 4K OLED line.

All the other players (Samsung, Panasonic , Sony and surprisingly including Samsung) seem to use chipsets from the usual suspects such as MediaTek.
- Monitor manufactures such as ASUS have to use Novatek (NT68552 of ROG 42 OLED) SoC's for HDMI 2.1 + DP 1.4 support.
- The Dell AW3423DW from what I understand uses an Nvidia Gsync R4 SoC hence is crappy input options.
- I suspect the volumes in the top end monitor SoC is no where as big as TV's hence the slow pace of innovation there.

The most disappointing thing is. It seems like RTX 4000 series is still stuck with DP 1.4 . I suspect HDMI 2.1 far earlier release (2019) has pretty much killed a lot of the original target market for DP 2.0.
 

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The one beef I always had with my AW3420DW was the short height of 1440p, always wanting or looking for more vertical space.

Ok, now I have 2160p, tons of vertical height, and LOL, it doesn't come in as handy as I expected, because to see the extra height you need to physically look up, and look down to really notice it all. When gaming your eyes are typically focused right on the center, and then a bit to the right and left. But the height you really need to tilt your head up and down to see it.

I'll give this C2 the week before deciding. But I guess I kinda like Ultrawide more than I ever expected.

I wonder what a 38" 3440 X 1600 size would be like?
38-40 uw is about perfect, had one for 3 years before the PQ on the 23DW made me accept the resolution downgrade.5k2k is ideal but 3840x1600 like on my former u3818/xr382 is very nice too.
 

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Man I'm on a 48" OLED (gigabyte aorus) and I'm loving it. It's funny after just a day of use all other screens seem super small. Like when I opened up my 15" laptop last night it shocked me how small it looked even though I've been using it for years

And really, the biggest thing for OLED so far for me has been HDR. It adds a whole new layer of realism and presence.

I've yet to watch a movie in HDR though (need to pick up a Roku since no streaming service supports it on PC). I noticed Top Gun Maverick supports HDR, I'm thinking that would be a good first watch.
 

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The flicker comes from Gsync. After some extensive gaming, I had to disable the Gsync compatibility, and the screen became so much better, so much less strain on the eyes. The input lag improved significantly as well.
You probably won't notice the difference at once, except gsync making the game run smoother, but try playing for like 3 hours with gsync, then disable it and play some more - the difference is night and day in terms of eyes strain and fatigue. Also if you can keep high fps, with gsync disabled the game feels smoother. probably due to the lack of the constant flicker.
So for me the gsync support is straight broken on the C2 OLED.
 

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Boxed up the LG C2 and put it in the vehicle, to return to Microcenter tomorrow, and back on my AW3420DW for now.

I will say the immediate noticeable thing is the colors are richer and more deeper when playing WoW on this older Alienware ( it's only 2 years old LOL ) Seriously in World of Warcraft the C2 looked washed out, the reds, blues, and greens, and the yellow writing for quests looks light and washed out on the C2. I do my my AW3420 pro calibrated with a custom profile and it's been tweaked as much as possible, so the colors are fantastic for an ISP display. Blacks on this AW3420? yeah they suck, more like dark grey, with lots of light bleed. The C2 had those amazing inky jet black blacks. Doom Eternal on the C2 OLED was jaw dropping amazing, dark areas in the game looked drool worthy, where my AW3420 can never dream to achieve.

But for some reason in World of Warcraft, which does not have any HDR stuff or OLED type black zones or dungeons, the LG C2 didn't really show me anything special whatsoever, where I actually like the display on the AW3420 just for WoW better, I have no idea why, but the colors are deeper and just nicer on this Alienware. But all other games, absolutely the C2 rocked.

And again the size 42" flat is the opposite of what I expected, I thought I would totally want that and love it. But I guess not, I do like the letterbox wide shape of the Ultrawide, 3440 X 1440 is also easier to run than 3820 X 2160 by a fair amount for the video card.
 

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The flicker comes from Gsync. After some extensive gaming, I had to disable the Gsync compatibility, and the screen became so much better, so much less strain on the eyes. The input lag improved significantly as well.
You probably won't notice the difference at once, except gsync making the game run smoother, but try playing for like 3 hours with gsync, then disable it and play some more - the difference is night and day in terms of eyes strain and fatigue. Also if you can keep high fps, with gsync disabled the game feels smoother. probably due to the lack of the constant flicker.
So for me the gsync support is straight broken on the C2 OLED.
I have no clue what you're on about here. Vsync off or Vsync on is absolute eye cancer compared to VRR. Also no clue what imaginary flicker you're referring to.

Boxed up the LG C2 and put it in the vehicle, to return to Microcenter tomorrow, and back on my AW3420DW for now.

I will say the immediate noticeable thing is the colors are richer and more deeper when playing WoW on this older Alienware ( it's only 2 years old LOL ) Seriously in World of Warcraft the C2 looked washed out, the reds, blues, and greens, and the yellow writing for quests looks light and washed out on the C2. I do my my AW3420 pro calibrated with a custom profile and it's been tweaked as much as possible, so the colors are fantastic for an ISP display. Blacks on this AW3420? yeah they suck, more like dark grey, with lots of light bleed. The C2 had those amazing inky jet black blacks. Doom Eternal on the C2 OLED was jaw dropping amazing, dark areas in the game looked drool worthy, where my AW3420 can never dream to achieve.

But for some reason in World of Warcraft, which does not have any HDR stuff or OLED type black zones or dungeons, the LG C2 didn't really show me anything special whatsoever, where I actually like the display on the AW3420 just for WoW better, I have no idea why, but the colors are deeper and just nicer on this Alienware. But all other games, absolutely the C2 rocked.

And again the size 42" flat is the opposite of what I expected, I thought I would totally want that and love it. But I guess not, I do like the letterbox wide shape of the Ultrawide, 3440 X 1440 is also easier to run than 3820 X 2160 by a fair amount for the video card.
No offense but you bought a OLED to play WoW so I dunno what to tell you. Many here buy these displays to enjoy modern sight seeing games that support HDR/RT with some accommodating their setup to use it for shooters too.

I'm not even going to get into how you setup the C2 but I really hope you're not comparing a IPS monitor set to wide gamut to a C2 if you used those guides in this thread that clamp it to sRGB. Its a really flexible display, want more saturation, you can have it in 10 seconds through the menu.
 

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I have no clue what you're on about here. Vsync off or Vsync on is absolute eye cancer compared to VRR. Also no clue what imaginary flicker you're referring to.
Vsync On with high fps 120-95 is just as smooth as gsync compatible. I'd say actually smoother, because you can focus on graphic details without the need to look through the annoying flicker. The flicker is all over the place, it can be noticeable, or unnoticeable but the display flickers constantly in gsync mode.
 

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Unlike TVs curve
I have no clue what you're on about here. Vsync off or Vsync on is absolute eye cancer compared to VRR. Also no clue what imaginary flicker you're referring to.


No offense but you bought a OLED to play WoW so I dunno what to tell you. Many here buy these displays to enjoy modern sight seeing games that support HDR/RT with some accommodating their setup to use it for shooters too.

I'm not even going to get into how you setup the C2 but I really hope you're not comparing a IPS monitor set to wide gamut to a C2 if you used those guides in this thread that clamp it to sRGB. Its a really flexible display, want more saturation, you can have it in 10 seconds through the menu.
For a moment I thought the comparison point was 23dw 😀 , which would make some sense but yea the c2, size aside is miles better than any IPS...it IS, however, noticeably worse in HDR than QD-OLED to the trained eye.
 

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Last night I did fire up a bunch of shooters to test out my C2;

Battlefield 5 and 2042. Everything Ultra settings with HDR enabled. It look great and all but nothing jaw-dropping or amazing. But I think that's because those game's are set mostly outside in the sunlight. Very lit bright game so I didn't really notice anything special with the OLED there.

Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. Yes, both those games looked mind-blowing and awesome. Exactly what I expected an OLED display to offer.

It's hard to explain that there's one thing I don't like about 16:9 vs 21:9.

4K 16:9 all the game HUD and characters look extra large. Almost blown up big. Whereas 21:9 Ultrawide everything looks smaller. The game HUD and player character don't take up such a large percentage of the screen. And I guess I just prefer 21:9 aspect ratio.
 

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Last night I did fire up a bunch of shooters to test out my C2;

Battlefield 5 and 2042. Everything Ultra settings with HDR enabled. It look great and all but nothing jaw-dropping or amazing. But I think that's because those game's are set mostly outside in the sunlight. Very lit bright game so I didn't really notice anything special with the OLED there.

Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. Yes, both those games looked mind-blowing and awesome. Exactly what I expected an OLED display to offer.

It's hard to explain that there's one thing I don't like about 16:9 vs 21:9.

4K 16:9 all the game HUD and characters look extra large. Almost blown up big. Whereas 21:9 Ultrawide everything looks smaller. The game HUD and player character don't take up such a large percentage of the screen. And I guess I just prefer 21:9 aspect ratio.
You need a 3423DW or the Samsung equivalent coming out soon :)
 

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Would it be silly to get a new ( now older ) AW3821DW? I've seen MC has deals on those for like $749 or so.

I do prefer the 21:9 aspect ratio for sure though over 16:9.

Or try out the AW3423DW?
 

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Would it be silly to get a new ( now older ) AW3821DW? I've seen MC has deals on those for like $749 or so.

I do prefer the 21:9 aspect ratio for sure though over 16:9.

Or try out the AW3423DW?
23dw atw, 3821dw is hot garbage despite the size, HDR on that screen is laughable...
 

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23dw atw, 3821dw is hot garbage despite the size, HDR on that screen is laughable...


Yeah, and I do seem to like the 3440 X 1440p res, as it's easier to run than 4k. Plus again the 21:9 aspect ratio is my love now. Not a fan of the 16:9 enlarged look, like my character and game HUD are auto set to HUGE and it looks odd, where Ultrawide everything is more minimal
 

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One reason why LG Electronics seem to be able to differentiate themselves in the OLED market is that they have a sufficient level of vertical integration.
- LG electronics has sufficient economies scale in the TV business to build their own LG1213 (alpha series of TV SoC's) system on chip which designed to support the processing required for 8K TV's and 4 HDMI 2.1 Ports. This SoC is re-used across their top range 4K OLED line.

All the other players (Samsung, Panasonic , Sony and surprisingly including Samsung) seem to use chipsets from the usual suspects such as MediaTek.
- Monitor manufactures such as ASUS have to use Novatek (NT68552 of ROG 42 OLED) SoC's for HDMI 2.1 + DP 1.4 support.
- The Dell AW3423DW from what I understand uses an Nvidia Gsync R4 SoC hence is crappy input options.
- I suspect the volumes in the top end monitor SoC is no where as big as TV's hence the slow pace of innovation there.
This has been a huge issue on the TV side for a while especially on Sony TV sets. You had beautiful panels limited by the MediaTek SOC for connectivity which is quite sad.
 

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to cut to the chase, what's the forecast price by Dec.?
7-800 if Mr. JP keeps at it...on a different note, the difference between text rendering between c2 and the aw is in hdr mode, which is preferable compared to switching between SDR/HDR since windows does a remarkable job of mapping the gamut correctly now, text in SDR mode on the C2 is fine, when running HDR there is always fringing regardless of tweaks to picture settings, not so on the AW.
 

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I agree with most points you made, that's why I returned mine because my point of reference was the 23DW which is QD-OLED. At some point size becomes too much for DT use, I think I could have gotten used to the size over time but with the other stuff, just didn't feel worth the hassle of of tweaking a 100 different things (you can set it up to wake with Windows using ColorControl for example).I suspect a lot of folks using the 42 now would prefer a 38-40 curved UW instead, much more comfortable for single person DT use IMHO, very little eye/head movement needed to go from one edge of screen to other. LG already has a 45" curved OLED but with a stupid 81 dpi coming out, they just need to make their 40" 5k2k screen OLED , probably do 100-120 Hz at native res coz of bandwidth limits but have the option to do higher refresh rates at lower res like 1600/1440p UW.
40" 5120x2160 with high refresh rate would be my dream display but it just doesn't seem to be happening. It's like they have basically abandoned the 3840x1600 and 5120x2160 formats rather than making e.g mini-LED versions of those.

As an interim option I hope to see curved 3840x2160 screens at 40-42", just without the adjustable curve capability because I know I would not care about it after setting the display up to my preference so any motors etc are just added cost. The curve might make the size more palatable to use at a closer viewing distance as I felt my 48" LG CX needed to be further away specifically to see the sides of the screen better, which then meant that text/UI was small so DPI scaling was needed which then meant reduction in desktop space. And that's what made me go back to a smaller 4K LCD for productivity use.
 
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40" 5120x2160 with high refresh rate would be my dream display but it just doesn't seem to be happening. It's like they have basically abandoned the 3840x1600 and 5120x2160 formats rather than making e.g mini-LED versions of those.
x34Predator (2015) - > AW3423DW(2022) -> That monitor is the only upgrade I'm going for lol. Not sure when but IMO that's the next iteration. When GPU's finally have DP2.0 is when I hope we start seeing them. . Also waiting for true gaming 27-32" 4k monitor to pair the AW with at the moment. C'mon LG DO EEET.
 

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40" 5120x2160 with high refresh rate would be my dream display but it just doesn't seem to be happening. It's like they have basically abandoned the 3840x1600 and 5120x2160 formats rather than making e.g mini-LED versions of those.

As an interim option I hope to see curved 3840x2160 screens at 40-42", just without the adjustable curve capability because I know I would not care about it after setting the display up to my preference so any motors etc are just added cost. The curve might make the size more palatable to use at a closer viewing distance as I felt my 48" LG CX needed to be further away specifically to see the sides of the screen better, which then meant that text/UI was small so DPI scaling was needed which then meant reduction in desktop space. And that's what made me go back to a smaller 4K LCD for productivity use.
I am pretty sure LG can make curved 39-inch 3840x1600 OLED panels from the 42C2 base panel, probably sell for the same price and increase yield by 20%, only a matter of time.
 

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40" 5120x2160 with high refresh rate would be my dream display but it just doesn't seem to be happening. It's like they have basically abandoned the 3840x1600 and 5120x2160 formats rather than making e.g mini-LED versions of those.

As an interim option I hope to see curved 3840x2160 screens at 40-42", just without the adjustable curve capability because I know I would not care about it after setting the display up to my preference so any motors etc are just added cost. The curve might make the size more palatable to use at a closer viewing distance as I felt my 48" LG CX needed to be further away specifically to see the sides of the screen better, which then meant that text/UI was small so DPI scaling was needed which then meant reduction in desktop space. And that's what made me go back to a smaller 4K LCD for productivity use.
Its sad that 3440x1440 seems to be the only 21:9 resolution that has gained any traction because 38" 3840x1600 is probably my favorite display size/resolution.
 

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Its sad that 3440x1440 seems to be the only 21:9 resolution that has gained any traction because 38" 3840x1600 is probably my favorite display size/resolution.


well at least its not as bad as the 29inch 1080p veresioin
 

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PG42UQ even with V031 definitely has firmware issues that needs to be worked on. Was using my i1display pro plus to read brightness with the W11 HDR calibration and depending which setting I applied first and then change to, I was able to force a 50-100 nit increase.
 

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I am pretty sure LG can make curved 39-inch 3840x1600 OLED panels from the 42C2 base panel, probably sell for the same price and increase yield by 20%, only a matter of time.
we should be very suspicious of this curved / bending technology. Samsung did that to their phone, look how well that turns out. Having the screen bend back and forth like that, is not something I want to mess w/. Bending screen is a new technology. And w/ any new technology, there is quite often some problem. Look at the 1st generation of Intel SSD, look back at that 8MB bug problem.
 

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we should be very suspicious of this curved / bending technology. Samsung did that to their phone, look how well that turns out. Having the screen bend back and forth like that, is not something I want to mess w/. Bending screen is a new technology. And w/ any new technology, there is quite often some problem. Look at the 1st generation of Intel SSD, look back at that 8MB bug problem.
I am no fan of user bendable screens, but LG can certainly cut 39" 3840x1600 panels from the 42 c2 panel, bend them once at the factory and ship them off 😉
 

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we should be very suspicious of this curved / bending technology. Samsung did that to their phone, look how well that turns out. Having the screen bend back and forth like that, is not something I want to mess w/. Bending screen is a new technology. And w/ any new technology, there is quite often some problem.
Have you tried one of the Samsung Galaxy Fold phones? They make an extreme bend to the display yet I have not heard of them failing. The only problem is a visible crease in that point. I've tried the Fold 3 and 4 and was actually tempted to buy one because in practical use the crease is not very noticeable nor a big usability issue. Could see myself going for a Fold 5 or 6 as the tech matures.

In any case the bend on the LG OLED displays is very mild in comparison. There have been prototypes of OLED screens wrapped into a scroll so bending them a lot is clearly not a problem.
 

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Have you tried one of the Samsung Galaxy Fold phones? They make an extreme bend to the display yet I have not heard of them failing. The only problem is a visible crease in that point. I've tried the Fold 3 and 4 and was actually tempted to buy one because in practical use the crease is not very noticeable nor a big usability issue. Could see myself going for a Fold 5 or 6 as the tech matures.

In any case the bend on the LG OLED displays is very mild in comparison. There have been prototypes of OLED screens wrapped into a scroll so bending them a lot is clearly not a problem.
You can buy one. This is not a prototype but veeery expensive.

https://www.lg.com/global/lg-signature/rollable-oled-tv-r
 
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You can by one. This is not a prototype but veeery expensive.

https://www.lg.com/global/lg-signature/rollable-oled-tv-r

Forgot these existed. Every time I've had to move a TV I definitely would have appreciated being able to roll it into a nice little box. The only other usecase I can think of is placing your TV in front of a window so during the day you roll the TV in to survey your premises from the window and then in the evening bring out the TV.
 

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https://daily.hankooki.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=876523

From google translate:

"LG Display is said to have plans to produce 32-inch OLED panels as well. With the 27-inch, the possibility of entering production from the fourth quarter of this year has increased. A medium-sized panel can absorb game demand while having the advantages of a TV. As early as next month, LG Display's W-OLED lineup will expand from 27 inches to 97 inches."

Looks like we may soon need a 32 inch OLED master thread :D
 
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Have you tried one of the Samsung Galaxy Fold phones? They make an extreme bend to the display yet I have not heard of them failing. The only problem is a visible crease in that point. I've tried the Fold 3 and 4 and was actually tempted to buy one because in practical use the crease is not very noticeable nor a big usability issue. Could see myself going for a Fold 5 or 6 as the tech matures.

In any case the bend on the LG OLED displays is very mild in comparison. There have been prototypes of OLED screens wrapped into a scroll so bending them a lot is clearly not a problem.

That's true, but I wouldn't completely focus on cell phones, since modern cell phones are not products designed to have the same longevity of a computer display. They want consumers to buy phones every year or two, and the price has increased quite a bit over the years.
Like you mentioned it's very conservative bending. The question will be what will happens when the plastic decays, or wears from a combination of thermal changes and bending?
I have mixed feeling about the fold, I want the new one, but man if the screen goes out of warranty it's going to be costly. I would almost want to say that if they that reliable you would see Samsung selling refurb units in their site like other phones. That or they are getting used up in RMAs and never making it to the store.
Maybe I'm wrong.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/fold-flip-buyers-in-poland-consider-suing-samsung_id142588
 

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I've been a Fold 2 owner since upgrading to the Fold 4. I can't go back to a normal slab phone.
 
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we should be very suspicious of this curved / bending technology. Samsung did that to their phone, look how well that turns out. Having the screen bend back and forth like that, is not something I want to mess w/. Bending screen is a new technology. And w/ any new technology, there is quite often some problem. Look at the 1st generation of Intel SSD, look back at that 8MB bug problem.
you mean like this?


You are seriously comparing bendable 1st gen phone tech to modern OLED panels that would need a single very moderate curve that would be factory set and then remain stationary once manufactured? And you are trying to troll this as if there is some kind of problem or issue here? What are you smoking?
 
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Even if the bending is conservative, there is bound to be problem. Name a IT gadget when it first come out, we jump on the bandwagon, and it did NOT fail

take the Philips BDM4035UC for e.g., 1st generation 4K UHD monitor, so many members jump on the bandwagon, including me. Look what happens a few yr. later, after everyone dump $1.2K+ on that monitor. Total back light failure, every members regrets buying it 4 yr. later
 
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