36" to 44" 4K Roundup

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floatingkeyboards, thanks.

It is annoying that monitor makers continue to not spec lag and the backlight dim method, and that Nvidia refuses to support the VESA sync standard. Booo!
 

Kdawg

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I just bought a un40mu6300, and I noticed it has a very uneven glare coating sprayed on. With the TV turned off, if you look at a bright reflection, you can see uneven rows or waves of antiglare spray, which results in dirty dust effect on certain solid color backgrounds, especially white..

But for most uses, it's not noticeable.
 

thomaslfessler

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Regarding the TCL 43S405, while you not it's as a narrow viewing angle, you need to make that note on every VA monitor on the list. IMO, the TCL viewing angle is a tab bit better than most sammys..

Thx
 

Pastuch

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I have a Sony 43" X830C at the moment and can't honestly recommend it as a monitor for a few reasons.

First, it has poor black levels, even for an IPS screen. I'm coming from a 26" 1920x1200 Planar PX2611w that was IPS with moderately heavy anti-glare coating and is many years old, so I was expecting a big improvement in black levels and contrast. Not VA level blacks like my former 24" Soyo DYLM24D6, but better. The Sony is the same as the Planar, maybe even worse in some conditions. The size of the screen and my close seating position also means that IPS glow is very noticeable in all 4 corners if the displayed picture is dark.

Second, current firmware leads to random crashes, but is required for 4:4:4 4K@60Hz to function. The screen will blank, the Sony logo comes up, the power light turns off and back on, and it goes through the full boot up routine with the swirling dots and Android logo. I've been told this may be due to a bad cable buy have my doubts, as sometimes it will crash immediately after startup while switching from the default "smart TV homescreen" to a HDMI input -- same thing, Sony logo and full boot, which takes a good 45 seconds and is incredibly annoying to say the least. Certainly not what I expect from a $800 piece of hardware.

Input lag isn't bad in practice, and when it's working it's not a /bad/ monitor, but considering it costs $200+ more than any other competitors in this price range locally available to me, it's a hard sell to say the least.


These two reasons alone are why I'm likely to switch it out for either:

Samsung JU6500, which apparently has worse PWM but should have better colors being a VA panel and gets similar blur and slightly better input lag (26ms) ratings under "game" mode, while maintaining 4:4:4 4K@60Hz for desktop use.

Vizio M43-C1, which loses me 4:4:4 4K@60Hz, but can still do it at 30Hz which is fine for desktop use. It also cuts input lag down to around 19ms, almost unheard of for a 4K TV, but gives me worse blur -- this is what I'm most worried about. The biggest upside here is the price difference -- trading the Sony for a Vizio, I could pick up a PS4 and Bloodborne, something I've been meaning to do for a while. Granted, I don't really want any other PS4 exclusive games right now so it's probably not worth it, given Dark Souls 3 comes out on PC as well.


At this point I suspect I'll trade the Sony for a Vizio, discover I hate the blur on the Vizio and am unhappy with the loss of 4:4:4 4K@60Hz, and end up picking up a Samsung JU6500 or JU7100.

2017 LG OLEDs solve every issue you described above. You can get the 55 for about $1500 now. 120hz at 1080p, chroma 4:4:4, 21ms input lag in all modes including HDR.
 
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No, definitely not. Just read the reviews on the ghosting / burn-in on the Dell.

That's interesting, because on the parts side, they should theoretically be the same panel pard. Anyone checked (opened both) or checked their EDID?

I think that a Youtube user had both for a very detailed review, and he reported that they were exactly the same display
 

Kdawg

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I've been looking at a lot of 4k TVs, 43" and up, and there aren't many quality options.

I'm surprised that Samsung's higher end 55+" models have a weird pixel display algorithm that results in a noisy picture up close. The same as other cheap TVs, except that samsung is 5x more expensive.

And then LG has their stupid RGBW pixels on all their non-oled TVs.
40" is only dominated by samsung.

43" includes samsung and TCL low end models, both of which have their own deficiencies. And then for double the price, you have Sony x800 IPS which is not a lot of bang for the buck.

at 50" or bigger, VIZIO actually has great image quality, with their xled line up. They don't have crappy staggered pixel display on their 50-60 inchers. They're pretty much perfect in displaying still images, if you ever wanted to use a 60" on your desk.
 
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I've been looking at a lot of 4k TVs, 43" and up, and there aren't many quality options.

I'm surprised that Samsung's higher end 55+" models have a weird pixel display algorithm that results in a noisy picture up close. The same as other cheap TVs, except that samsung is 5x more expensive.

And then LG has their stupid RGBW pixels on all their non-oled TVs.
40" is only dominated by samsung.

43" includes samsung and TCL low end models, both of which have their own deficiencies. And then for double the price, you have Sony x800 IPS which is not a lot of bang for the buck.

at 50" or bigger, VIZIO actually has great image quality, with their xled line up. They don't have crappy staggered pixel display on their 50-60 inchers. They're pretty much perfect in displaying still images, if you ever wanted to use a 60" on your desk.

Man, you really make me think that I'd prefer a 32" . Is there any 32" that reaches 420 nits and above (measured)?
 
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No, definitely not. Just read the reviews on the ghosting / burn-in on the Dell.

Okay, It seems you're right and it uses a TP-Vision display panel; This is just sad to know.

I wonder how real the burn-in is, since half of people said that they noticed it, while the other half didn't.

I am also really curious about the ghosting, doesn't sound like it has any for objects in motion: https://3dnews.ru/944985/page-2.html

If you want the best 40" - 43" 4K TV for monitor use, look no further:

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR43X8...?ie=UTF8&qid=1512261723&sr=8-1&keywords=x800d

That's $50 cheaper than when I bought it in July.

And sadly, it is not available in Romania...
 

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that's the problem. for $650, there are other better options, but you have to go up in size.

43" is the black sheep of the TV world.
 

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I had something better - Samsung JS9000 48" and KS8500 49", but both were too big for my liking. They were considerably more expensive than $650, too. I'm hoping we see some better TVs in the 40" - 43" range for 2018.

Best 43" 4K I ever saw was Samsung's KS7500, but it's not available in the U.S.

http://www.samsung.com/uk/tvs/suhd-ks7500/UE43KS7500UXXU/
 

nameBrandon

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I had something better - Samsung JS9000 48" and KS8500 49", but both were too big for my liking. They were considerably more expensive than $650, too. I'm hoping we see some better TVs in the 40" - 43" range for 2018.

Best 43" 4K I ever saw was Samsung's KS7500, but it's not available in the U.S.

http://www.samsung.com/uk/tvs/suhd-ks7500/UE43KS7500UXXU/

I’m really digging this MU6500. VA + curve is (at least for my uses) muuuuch nicer than the IPS 43MU6300, in both Windows 10 and OS X. Though unless something weird is going on at Samsung, the 40 MU6300 should be pretty much the same as the 49 MU6500, so kdawgs body of research on the 40/43 MU6300 is probably applicable to the 6500.
 
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I've been looking for 32" 4K in the BF season last month, yet I ended up loaded with two 43" 4K, the Acer ET430K and LG 43UP79, both were priced at $400 when I found too hard to pass.

While all 32" 4K under $500 are VA or no name brand IPS, first I tried the VA 32" 4K although contrast is great the color shifting kills me.

Just now I installed LG's onscreen software the checked the firmware says it's the latest, no wonder I didn't find any flickering. But the image retention has become more obvious on the Acer 43", also found lightly on the LG if using a grey background.

For the price I paid, I'd keep the two 43" monitors and bear with the huge screen. What I figured to accommodate is as someone suggested tilt the screen towards me and try to use the lower 3/4 screen mostly time for any reading, this helps to maintain eye level and avoid neck pain if raising head too often.

A week of use two 43" monitors side by side (both are slightly tilted towards middle so minimize horizontal head movement), has brought me thought from time to time what if I replace with two 32" screens. It's no the width that bothers me, but the height and eye level. Unless you can raise eye level (probably mount the monitor), this likely become a source of uncomfort overtime. Except 32" 4K IPS is nowhere near this price range and I found I hate VA panel.
 
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Copied from the DELL P4317Q thread - please read if you're considering it!

Okay.

I received this one right now - Dell P4317Q

I'm on Revision A02.

Let's begin with the Pros



Pros:

+ Nice AG coating, not too hard, nor too light, it is perfect to make it clear and vivid, yet to block ambient light. Really really good quality as well, no patterns, no muddiness, this is ideal.

+ Really good build quality

+ Amazing brightness! I keep it on 100% and it looks amazing! It has enough to work in a room where an entire wall is made of glass

+ Color calibration was easy peasy, in fact you can reach an almost perfect calibration playing with its R-G-B settings from the menu

+ Gamma curves are not spot at 2.2, but very very close on this sample

+ Way less IPS glow than most displays on market

+ Response time good enough for casual gaming. I am not a gamer, but I like a quick display. This is quick enough for me. It can climb to 80 Hz (I read its EDID), but I will not overclock it.

+ Colors look profesinally adequate, bright, vibrant, impressive (nothing like BDM4350 which was dim and washed out, although it was using a similar display?!)

+ You can enjoy immersive content on this

+ Freaking 4K with no need for scaling! You have no idea how refreshing this is for me and for my eyes!

+ Really nice and clear image

+ Got used to it and using it naturally after merely 1 hour of owning it, just like any other DELL, an excellent device that just works

+ Everything works on the USB ports and the Displayports, everything is just plug and play.

+ No weird artifacts, no flickering, no issues with the image in this aspect



Now the cons:

Cons:

- Minor screen burn in, but it is temporary. Just don't keep very contrasting elements for long, for example black and white patterns. Grays don't burn in. It washes after watching some videos.

- Color variation over a large surface - this might be the glow or relfection for me, but I seem to notice that the center is ever a bit less pinkish on blue hues. Again, I think it is a glow effect due to its size, but it should be noted this exists.

- The alien ghosting test shows a very very minimal ghosting trail, but only on gray color, not one bit on black or white. Excellent response, on par with most gaming displays , yet as tech advances, that will probably be changed as well

- Mine has a little point that I can't figure out if it is dust on the display or a problematic pixel . No idea.

- Blurry edges that are shadowed by the physical edges. Underscan does not work (of course it doesn't, who would ever believe it does). Underscan changes the whole resolution making everything extremely blurry, so you either get used to the shadow edges or not get this one . I can't even notice that anymore, but YMMV.



Bottom:

This is an underconsidered monitor. It can easily be calibrated, it can easily be made to look and work awesome. The best 43" I tested, by far. This makes BDM4350 look and feel like a Joke. This is Dell construction and quality here, no joking, no tricks. If you want to go 43", it is either this or nothing. The brightness is the most important element, a screen this size needs a LOT of brightness to feel natural and to feel good. This has it. Please make a conscious purchase.
 

vincentsixtysix

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i had this monitor. it sucks pretty bad. I could barely keep looking at it for 4 hours without Eye strain bc the is PWM is so freaking bad. The colors look horrible .. its a big large, takes up a huge amount of space and the whole dell mount setup is crap too
 
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i had this monitor. it sucks pretty bad. I could barely keep looking at it for 4 hours without Eye strain bc the is PWM is so freaking bad. The colors look horrible .. its a big large, takes up a huge amount of space and the whole dell mount setup is crap too

I'm on Rev A.02 - maybe you had A0 or A01

Colors are really good by this revision actually. The PWM is gone, and believe me, I'd feel it if it were here, I can see PWM on anything that has it, including light bulbs that have it - in Romania there are a few in stores and I can always see them.

It is huge, 43" huge.

Also the Dell mount is the best I dealt with so far, most stable mount thingy, everything else is much worse in stability.
 
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