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I preordered the 11900K - it was going to be $738 for next day shipping. Bad price, but I'd been waiting and I missed the other preorders.

After it became obvious that the reviews were so bad AND I wasn't going to get my order by the 31st, I just got disgusted and ordered a 10900K

I was OK with it not being the best, I was OK with paying a small premium to get it fast, but for that kind of money, I'm not going to sit around and wait after A*OR**A told me they would have one for me on release day.

I save almost $300 and got a 10900K the next day.

What a debacle this has been on every level.
 

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I preordered the 11900K - it was going to be $738 for next day shipping. Bad price, but I'd been waiting and I missed the other preorders.

After it became obvious that the reviews were so bad AND I wasn't going to get my order by the 31st, I just got disgusted and ordered a 10900K

I was OK with it not being the best, I was OK with paying a small premium to get it fast, but for that kind of money, I'm not going to sit around and wait after A*OR**A told me they would have one for me on release day.

I save almost $300 and got a 10900K the next day.

What a debacle this has been on every level.
I reeeeeally just don't understand the pricing of the 11900K. I thought it was already a bad joke at $540, but then it turns out that was for 1000 unit pricing. Then I saw the launch day micro center price at $610 or something like that and was like...what?

Now I check MC today and the price is at $700 LOL.

Oh, but you save $20 on a mobo so there's that.
 

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I reeeeeally just don't understand the pricing of the 11900K. I thought it was already a bad joke at $540, but then it turns out that was for 1000 unit pricing. Then I saw the launch day micro center price at $610 or something like that and was like...what?

Now I check MC today and the price is at $700 LOL.

Oh, but you save $20 on a mobo so there's that.
I think the 11900K has some higher level all core clocking.

And some people are just not very price sensitive.

I was mostly just annoyed at not getting it day one after I preordered.
 

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I think the 11900K has some higher level all core clocking.

And some people are just not very price sensitive.

I was mostly just annoyed at not getting it day one after I preordered.
I get not being price sensitive...to an extent. But it's nearly twice the cost of an 11700K. For not really all that much performance.
 

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I think the 11900K has some higher level all core clocking.

And some people are just not very price sensitive.

I was mostly just annoyed at not getting it day one after I preordered.
Where did you preorder? I’m still waiting for Best Buy to ship my 3/17 preorder. Tough to cancel and move on when it was $549.99 - 40 in reward certs. Micro Center has it nearby but now at $700. F that!
 

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If someone wanted the end all be all of performance, they wouldn't be looking at the 11900k. Unless they specifically needed an Intel-only feature.
I wanted it mainly for the IPC and (I thought at the time) fast memory - some games, like Guild Wars 2 are heavily CPU bound and this would be, in theory, the best CPU for that game and likely others.


Where did you preorder? I’m still waiting for Best Buy to ship my 3/17 preorder. Tough to cancel and move on when it was $549.99 - 40 in reward certs. Micro Center has it nearby but now at $700. F that!

Ad0rama - which I have bought from plenty of times and have no real issue with beyond not being willing to pay $738 for a CPU and not have it arrive within about a day of launch. You can over charge me or you can be slow, but not both - that's just how I feel about it. If I had paid $509.99, I would be more patient.

I've had my motherboard for a month and I promised my 8700k system to one of my boys and he's been antsy to play VR on it - so I just didn't want to drag it out for another couple of weeks and just bought the 10900K. I feel like this system will go to another kid once the next gen AMD stuff comes out so I wasn't over stressing about performance one way or the other - it just came down to the customer experience.
 

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I preordered the 11900K - it was going to be $738 for next day shipping. Bad price, but I'd been waiting and I missed the other preorders.

After it became obvious that the reviews were so bad AND I wasn't going to get my order by the 31st, I just got disgusted and ordered a 10900K

I was OK with it not being the best, I was OK with paying a small premium to get it fast, but for that kind of money, I'm not going to sit around and wait after A*OR**A told me they would have one for me on release day.

I save almost $300 and got a 10900K the next day.

What a debacle this has been on every level.
if you were prepared to drop 740 on a 11900k you could have easily gotten a 5950X or 5900X
 

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if you were prepared to drop 740 on a 11900k you could have easily gotten a 5950X or 5900X
1. I a friend of mine went through hell trying to find a 5900X
2. I am much more familiar with the Intel platform and I liked the internal USB 3.2 controllers
3. Some of the AMD motherboards have a USB issue - no thanks.
4. The IPC is good, but I don't need all those cores.
5. I do plan to go AMD next gen, but I just wasn't ready to make the switch.
6. I wasn't sure the 32GB 4000 C17 kit I bought would work as well on AMD.
7. I'd say I didn't want to buy a new waterblock, but I wouldn't have cared that much and I already have a lot of other reasons.
 

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Number 3 on the list is already fixed.

And ignores the Z590 issues... And the fact that if you don't need the cores, the 5800x is a lot cheaper than the 11900k.

People aren't buying this platform because they care about raw performance (or even bang for the buck on the high end). They are buying it because they like Intel better or are more familiar, etc. and the performance is close enough.

$740 for that CPU though? Yikes... You could buy a 5800x AND a motherboard for that kind of money.
 

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And ignores the Z590 issues... And the fact that if you don't need the cores, the 5800x is a lot cheaper than the 11900k.

People aren't buying this platform because they care about raw performance (or even bang for the buck on the high end). They are buying it because they like Intel better or are more familiar, etc. and the performance is close enough.

$740 for that CPU though? Yikes... You could buy a 5800x AND a motherboard for that kind of money.
I might have a bias, but in this case it's not totally bias. I read Intel CPUs are very slightly faster on a desktop although that's less pronounced with the latest modern CPUs. Also, I read Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics cards are apparently more compatible with Linux (in case I want dual-boot with Linux Mint).
In my case however I thought about using a Rocket Lake for a gaming machine then using as a film/tv computer after 2 years. So then I'd take out the video card and install it in another machine. So I decided to go with the i5-11500 partly for the onboard video. It does go to 5K resolution although boards I've seen only support 4K.
In any case, even though this is a thread on the 11900, as far as 11500 vs Ryzen 3600 is concerned, there's no contest. The 11500 hammers it in gaming and has onboard video. I even saw a Youtube video that showed temperatures and wattage used and the 11500 during games and in my opinion it was seriously good in that department. I mean it was miles away from that Anandtech test on the i7 with AVX-512. To me at this point, there's no bias.
I'm just waiting for the motherboard I want to be in stock before I order.
I think one of the only issues I can think of is the whole issue of can you really run 3200MHz RAM at 3200MHz. I mean I saw the memory support list from AsRock and Gigabyte and it's seriously a mixed bag. And right now I don't know the answer. (I did however decide on a B560 motherboard although the H510 apparently can support 3200MHz. I want the ability to use a PCIe4 video card later on even if it means having the RAM run at 2933MHz. I want everything stock with no overclocking.)
 

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I might have a bias, but in this case it's not totally bias. I read Intel CPUs are very slightly faster on a desktop although that's less pronounced with the latest modern CPUs. \
Prior to Ryzen 5000..not any more. I was on Intel from i7 920 (after moving from a Phenom 965) until the 9900k so up to that point I never felt that AMD offered what I needed. Today is a different story.
 

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I find everyone on the onboard video thing kinda funny these days. And even more so on this site, on board video has never been a deciding factor for anything for me in 20+ years of pc's.

Now everyone is I need to have a IGP on my cpu lmao.
 

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Intels aren't even slightly faster now. They're behind unless you find some software that caters to them.

Unless you're just talking about raw freq, then sure. But AMD wins completely in IPC and almost has comparable oc clock speeds.

That's literally the only way the 11900k makes sense. Someone not shopping for a cpu, but for an Intel build and cost is no object.
 

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I find everyone on the onboard video thing kinda funny these days. And even more so on this site, on board video has never been a deciding factor for anything for me in 20+ years of pc's.

Now everyone is I need to have a IGP on my cpu lmao.
1080p level cards are stupidly priced atm. Apus (especially from AMD) are reaching the point where they can handle entry level gaming pretty good. This will become more and more relevant.
 
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1080p level cards are stupidly priced atm. Apus (especially from AMD) are reaching the point where they can handle entry lever gaming pretty good. This will become more and more relevant.

I think pricing will eventually go back to normal so we won't be here forever. And I guess it will depend on the games you play. if I were to pull out my GPU now and go IGP I think I could maybe play 2-3 games out of many on my stream list so not really winning in my situation.
 
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I might have a bias, but in this case it's not totally bias. I read Intel CPUs are very slightly faster on a desktop although that's less pronounced with the latest modern CPUs. Also, I read Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics cards are apparently more compatible with Linux (in case I want dual-boot with Linux Mint).
In my case however I thought about using a Rocket Lake for a gaming machine then using as a film/tv computer after 2 years. So then I'd take out the video card and install it in another machine. So I decided to go with the i5-11500 partly for the onboard video. It does go to 5K resolution although boards I've seen only support 4K.
In any case, even though this is a thread on the 11900, as far as 11500 vs Ryzen 3600 is concerned, there's no contest. The 11500 hammers it in gaming and has onboard video. I even saw a Youtube video that showed temperatures and wattage used and the 11500 during games and in my opinion it was seriously good in that department. I mean it was miles away from that Anandtech test on the i7 with AVX-512. To me at this point, there's no bias.
I'm just waiting for the motherboard I want to be in stock before I order.
I think one of the only issues I can think of is the whole issue of can you really run 3200MHz RAM at 3200MHz. I mean I saw the memory support list from AsRock and Gigabyte and it's seriously a mixed bag. And right now I don't know the answer. (I did however decide on a B560 motherboard although the H510 apparently can support 3200MHz. I want the ability to use a PCIe4 video card later on even if it means having the RAM run at 2933MHz. I want everything stock with no overclocking.)

I've said that the 11500 is probably a good CPU because of where it is price wise and it's relative competition. The 11900k...not so much.
 

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I've said that the 11500 is probably a good CPU because of where it is price wise and it's relative competition. The 11900k...not so much.
11400/11500 plus something like a B560 Tuf and some 4000+ memory would be a great gaming system for not a lot of money.
 

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11400/11500 plus something like a B560 Tuf and some 4000+ memory would be a great gaming system for not a lot of money.
DDR 4000 memory pricing means you would do better to get a better CPU and some DDR 3600 or 3200, instead. Even some of the better 3600 is creeping up in price pretty quickly. All memory is going up, really.

Or stick with the 11400, get the cheaper memory, and put the money saved toward something else. Like buying an overpriced GPU....
 

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DDR 4000 memory pricing means you would do better to get a better CPU and some DDR 3600 or 3200, instead. Even some of the better 3600 is creeping up in price pretty quickly. All memory is going up, really.

Or stick with the 11400, get the cheaper memory, and put the money saved toward something else. Like buying an overpriced GPU....
you can get 4133 2x8GB RGB DJR sticks for 120 dollars, doesn't seem too much to me but I'd rather have the performance than some garbage tier 3200 or 3600 ram.
 

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you can get 4133 2x8GB RGB DJR sticks for 120 dollars, doesn't seem too much to me but I'd rather have the performance than some garbage tier 3200 or 3600 ram.

Why though? I got garbage tier 3600 and paid $110 for 32 GB. Its CJR and tightens to Cas16.
 

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Why though? I got garbage tier 3600 and paid $110 for 32 GB. Its CJR and tightens to Cas16.
why not want free performance? From OC people are doing already these love high speeds. I mean if you can get some nice chips from cheaper ram then hell yeah but they are a crapshoot.
 
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Well... Intel will release the 2025 Camry and it'll be a contender again...
Actually, Intel announced they resolved their problems at 7nm. So, Meteor Lake is coming out in 2023. I guess with DDR5 and PCIe5 this should be a real solution.
 

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why not want free performance? From OC people are doing already these love high speeds. I mean if you can get some nice chips from cheaper ram then hell yeah but they are a crapshoot.
I agree with you - at least coming from Z390 - the free performance is not "free" - it isn't as simple as fire up XMP and go. The memory controllers (even on 9900KS and a Z390 Aorus Master - widely considered one of the best Z390 boards) can't handle speeds like that so you have to make a lot of concessions. Plus, FPS only goes up a few frames.

I've found the 3200 - 3600 range to be the sweet spot unless it's not much more expensive. I'd rather have more density than the huge speed in exotic, super expensive RAM.

Back to the topic at hand - the 11 series is supposed to have a great memory controller so I am hopeful what you're preaching becomes a lot easier to achieve for everyone.

EDIT: my Best Buy 3/17 pre-order still has not shipped out! $549.99 - $40 in reward certs price keeps me locked in, though. :)
 

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I agree with you - at least coming from Z390 - the free performance is not "free" - it isn't as simple as fire up XMP and go. The memory controllers (even on 9900KS and a Z390 Aorus Master - widely considered one of the best Z390 boards) can't handle speeds like that so you have to make a lot of concessions. Plus, FPS only goes up a few frames.

I've found the 3200 - 3600 range to be the sweet spot unless it's not much more expensive. I'd rather have more density than the huge speed in exotic, super expensive RAM.

Back to the topic at hand - the 11 series is supposed to have a great memory controller so I am hopeful what you're preaching becomes a lot easier to achieve for everyone.

EDIT: my Best Buy 3/17 pre-order still has not shipped out! $549.99 - $40 in reward certs price keeps me locked in, though. :)
I'm curious how many have got the $550 best buy chip, seeing as how that's a fair bit under msrp.
 

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I'm curious how many have got the $550 best buy chip, seeing as how that's a fair bit under msrp.
I would think no one. I was watching their site until they did their first pre-order drop on 3/17 and that's when I ordered. The believe the price per 1,000 is $540 so BBY is definitely not making much profit. It's still currently at that price although listed as sold out. So I don't think it's a "price mistake" issue.
 

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Well, this sucks.

The Strix Z590-i has two m.2 slots, but since one of them is pcie4, its disabled if you use a 10th gen cpu.

Of course its the slot where I put my boot drive...
 

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Ah. Well, the only upgrade path from 10900k is The next gen CPU and platform. So....you may as well stick with a z490.
I cant stick with something I've never owned.

It's not a big deal, my boot drive was 250GB nvme and I have a 2TB nvme as well.

I ordered a usb c m.2 case so I can backup the 2tb then clone my 250 drive to the 2tb and get back to it. I have 6TB in ssds and just got my nas up. I really only play one game so this is more of an inconvenience than a show stopper.

Besides, the z590 has an intel usb 3.2 controller instead of asmedia so its worth the tradeoff...
 

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I cant stick with something I've never owned.

It's not a big deal, my boot drive was 250GB nvme and I have a 2TB nvme as well.

I ordered a usb c m.2 case so I can backup the 2tb then clone my 250 drive to the 2tb and get back to it. I have 6TB in ssds and just got my nas up. I really only play one game so this is more of an inconvenience than a show stopper.

Besides, the z590 has an intel usb 3.2 controller instead of asmedia so its worth the tradeoff...
Do you need the 10 cores?

If not, you might benefit from selling the 10900k and picking up a >10600k 11600k. Game performance is a wash, you'd pocket some cash, be able to use all of your board features, and enjoy improved single threaded performance.
 
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