I had three 5090’s when they were msrp all at different stages not all at once. I have been a halo card buyer for as long as I can remember. The anxiety and stress to find these cards anymore has taken the fun out of the hobby that I have enjoyed for over 25 years. I sold the 5090’s based on that feeling. I enjoy the hardware swapping and the building aspect more than the actual gaming.
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5090 in stock and it looks like it is staying in stock
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Nah. I’m retired and spending my money on what I want until I die. That’s why I put money back. Fuck it.
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I do love having a MicroCenter within 30 minutes of my house. Just checked, currently 10 5090 models in stock, one specific 5090 is even +25 in stock.
I had more fun messing around with an Intel ARC B580 than I have with my 5090. I game on the 5090. Weird new thing from Intel in a secondary rig was more fun to experiment with and run tests on. Why? Because Intel vid card. Something different. I got my first NV card more than 20 years ago and have had lots of them. Old hat. I'm tempted to pick up an RDNA4 card to play with next, just to check it out, but it doesn't sound as fun as the first one ever Intel card.
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Seriously. Giving up on your hobby because you can't have the absolute best is pathetic.
The new Bugatti costs 5 million dollars. I'm giving up driving and taking the bus now!
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Or just keep using the hardware that you have. There's less and less reason to upgrade these days. It's not like the industry is moving towards 8k monitors. And we really haven't had a hardware breaking game like Crysis since... well.... Crysis.
Hardware breaking is mostly optional these days. I've kind of sought out path tracing games and collected a whopping 3 of them so far. Those will brutalize my 5090. So will Borderlands 4 on "badass". But all of them run just fine on my Intel ARC B580, and I'm sure they'd be ok on a 4060. 3060 might be a little sluggish but still playable. That's a 5yo 60 card. Yeah they don't look as good as they do on the 5090, but they're fine. Just drop some settings and they look like a maxed out game from a few years ago.
Yep, for most of my gaming life I couldn't have the best, or even if I technically could I didn't want to spend that kind of money on it. Still enjoyed the hell out of it. While I thoroughly enjoy gaming on my 5090 and getting to crank shit I don't have to have that to enjoy things.
I'm not retired but I'm there with you. I like gaming and life is too short. I'm going to spend my money on what I enjoy. Making sure to save for the future too, of course, I'm not putting things on credit card or spending more than I can afford, but I'm also not going to say "Well the thing I love is expensive so I'm going to drop it." Even if halo parts go beyond my reach, and they might at least for awhile the way things are going, I'll still keep gaming.
Hell there's a surprising number of games that are quite fun that work well on integrated graphics these days. I have my collection of "plane games". I can't use my dGPU on a plane, because it draws too much power, those outlets won't let you draw 300w. So I hook up a 65w USB-C power adapter and game on the integrated chip. It does limit things, but there's still a large collection that run very well. Even if that's all I could afford, I'd keep gaming. There is, of course, a vast area between that and a 5090 occupied by many, many great games.
Not sure if this was directed at me but as I mentioned I’ve had the latest and greatest and I’m actually okay without it tbh. As I get closer to retirement gaming has taken a back seat.
I’m not criticizing those who still want to have the high end hardware. For me personally my mindset has changed and life is indeed to short.
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No, it's more of the Chevrolet Chevette is not at an acceptable price range these days. I recently dumped way too much into a recent Intel 270k build. The RAM alone was over $600. That's pathetic.
$330 for the cpu, $280 for the motherboard, $220 for the power supply, and re-using a 4080 because I didn't feel like spending another $1000 on a 5070ti. Thank god I got the 8tb WD black NVME on sale earlier than you can get it today. Less than half the price currently. That's not a hobby, that's poor investing with bad returns.
Just because some of us can have the best, doesn't mean we should be wasting money. Though I am a piss poor example of that, but I am about to change up. This will probably be my last box for a long while.
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Exactly my point and I’m in the same boat. Just because you can afford it doesn’t mean you should buy it if it doesn’t make sense especially if I’m just playing games.
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At this point I only upgrade when I really feel like it or need to for some reason. Long gone are the days where it felt like a substantial improvement.
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For gaming i still get more out of the ps5 than i do from pc. I basically never find the visual experience outweighs the game design. Console titles typically have a pretty optimized gaming experience.
Back a ways I was in queue for a 3070TI at BB. They notified me it was available and I needed to grab it. I hit buy, saw the right price and went away happy. Then my credit card notified me of a lower charge WTF? but BB said it was on the way. Big day, my brand new 3070 NON TI arrives and customer service told me they had no records of me ordering a TI. In scientific terms....Screw them.
I mean... Yes and no.
So first, while you aren't talking a halo system, you are still talking reasonably high end here. 8TB SSD? That's nice but hardly necessary for gaming. $600 RAM? That's either 32GB of high end RAM or 48-64GB of more mid-tier. Either way, not needed gaming. I see lots of plenty fine 32GB kits for $400-450. Still more pricey than it was by a damn sight, but not what you are talking about. I'm not going to nitpick every component but the point is you decided to go decently high end. A Chevette this is not.
Second, this is going to last you for awhile, other than maybe the GPU. PC hardware lasts longer than it used to. I usually lifecycle servers at 7 years these days. On my personal system, which is much more of a halo system, I have a 13900k which I've though about replacing just because I like new toys... but there's just no need it is still doing great. A system can last for quite a few years and game very well.
Third and most importantly, that's really not a heavy spend for a hobby. While I'm not saying that you have to or should blow lots of money on hobbies, $1500 is not a big spend. If you are in to road biking you will spend over twice that just to get a decent bike, never mind a nice one, if you are in to shooting a single firearm can easily cost more than that, and let's not even talk about cars.
Really, if your hobby is gaming I don't think things are that bad. While it has gotten more expensive, it is still fine and hardware lasts a decent while so there's nothing stopping you from enjoying games. It is more of an issue if your hobby is building new computers. That has become more expensive for sure, but let's keep that straight as something different than gaming as a hobby. It's very feasible to build (or buy premade) a decent PC and game on it for many years.
Which is a very sensible view. I think the reason people are giving you crap is because it sounded like you said were giving up on games because you couldn't (or didn't wish to) afford the high end parts. That is what doesn't make sense to me and others. I 100% get stepping back on how much you spend when things get expensive. As I've said, I've spent different amounts throughout my life and for most of it not been at the high end. Back in the 90s my system was decidedly low end both because things were super expensive and because I was a teenager so I was largely relying on my parents to buy me stuff, yet I still enjoyed gaming.
Stepping back on how high end you go or what you spend makes sense, the part that is confusing is giving up gaming because of it. Now if you are just finding that gaming is being replaced by other things, nothing wrong with that. Our tastes can change over the course of our lives. If you just find you like to spend you time on other things, makes total sense. However what you said sounded more like "If I can't have the higest end parts I don't want to play games anymore," which seems silly.
Yeah I could have worded that differently I suppose. I was like you back in the late 90's when I had a crappy job and could only afford low to barely middle of the road hardware, and then I decide to get my life together. Like I mentioned the older I get and the shift to mainly online gaming has got me enjoying gaming less and less.
I understand. I don't do online games anymore. I might do an MMO again someday, I've enjoyed those, but at present it doesn't fit well with my schedule. Thankfully, I've found there are lots of fulfilling single player games as well. While CS2 and DOTA 2 might be the most played games on Steam, I just ignore them and look for other things
That's actually part of what has made me a Path Tracing fanboy and willing to spend too much to have it is that I can enjoy a good SP game even with higher latency. If I was sweating over a competitive shooter, I'd be all about optimizing for that. I remember back in the BF3 days discovering that I did better with FXAA off not because of performance, but because the aliasing of player models made them stand out against the background more. However I've left all that behind (mostly for RSI reasons) and now I just chill and enjoy SP games, and there I crank the graphics and look at the scenery.Though I do play plenty of non-graphically intense games too. I periodically fire up NWN Enhanced and play a module, there's quite a few good fan made ones out there, particularly when I'm on my laptop.
But ya, the twitch shooter days are behind me, and competitive gaming in general.
Yeah, the fast paced games besides me playing COD matches against bots are pretty much behind me. My problem lately has been my attention span getting less as well. I mainly enjoy just jumping in for a half hour to an hour then doing something else and then come back to it later. Last game that captured my long attention was Doom the Dark Ages. Just waiting on that DLC now..lol
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I just wish it was the FE.
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At what price? $1000-$2000 over FE or original MSRP on some models
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Around $1000 ~ $1500 over the FE, depending on the manufacturer and model.
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Definitely a typo, has to be. Still shows $999 but out of stock. Lol
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gig...e_source=PDP&ref=app_pdp&loc=screenshot_modal
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gig...e_source=PDP&ref=app_pdp&loc=screenshot_modal
Hell, if I could have found that I would have purchased a few of them.
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I think a bunch of us would. I know I'd be in for two for sure
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ah come on now guys.. you gotta look a little deeper... this is most likely not legit in any way
Ya sadly Best Buy has started doing what Amazon, Newegg, and everyone else do and opening up to "third party sellers". Most are scalptailers so the price is higher but every once and awhile you'll just get a straight out scammer.
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This thread aged well.
Ya. I'm annoyed I didn't get one when they came out and waited instead. Of course I wasn't even going to, the 4090 is fine I was going to skip a generation... But FOMO got the best of me.
At least they're still in stock. Just cost ~$4k. Makes me feel better about grabbing a ROG Astral a year ago back when 5090s were hard to get. Now they're easy to get, just cost $4k. Ugh.
Have a new one in the box to build a new machine. Just too lazy to put it all together. The 4090 still keeps up with most everything.
Went back on my word and got another new 5090 for closer to $3k. Figured this is my last hoorah in having a high end PC so why not. I figured it will last me until I’m not interested in gaming anymore.
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jfc, this feels dark...
I feel the same way that's why I picked up a 5090 also. I don't believe they will be a 6090 at this rate and the fact they are so everything AI I'm fairly sure the end goal is some dark sci-fi dystopic world so might as well enjoy life now.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see a 5090 replacement kicked down the road until 2028.
Yep and or it will be $6090. The sad thing is why make a card with the same silicone to sell to us when you can make a card you sell for whatever price you want to skynet?
Just on the wrong side of 50 closer to retirement.
I will say though, while we all like new toys, this doesn't mean that we are screwed when it comes to games and have to stop playing. The opposite really in that if the 5090 remains the high end then games are going to have to be designed to run well on it and on lesser cards. If new hardware gets pushed off because of all this crap, it just means that our existing hardware is good for longer.
Also it isn't like what we have now is bad. We aren't talking the EGA days where even the very best still didn't look very good or the early 3D days when even with high end hardware you generally couldn't get 60fps. Games can look great now, if studios make them look great. The hardware we have is good and it'll remain good. I love new toys, as is evident by the fact that I caved to FOMO and got a 5090, but it isn't necessary to have fun. It isn't a case where games (other than trash like Borderlands 4) run like ass. The hardware now, even lower end hardware, is adequate to have a good gaming experience. Shit even the Switch 2 is good. Not my jam, but my GF has one and I have to admit the games look plenty good even on a big TV. If it was all I had, I could still enjoy things.
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For gaming, I was quite satisfied with the 5070 Ti, forget the 4090 I have. At 4k with DLSS, it was doing fine in basically every game I tried. If gaming was all that I was interested in... yeah there's no way I would have ever looked for a 5090. With all of the advancements in DLSS, it's just a plain unnecessary card. It's just no one could have foreseen just how much AI would take off in such a short time, and the ramifications of that. Well, ironically said AI boom is part of what makes the card most affected by it price wise an invalid card for gaming lol.
Unfortunately if you are looking to get into LLMs (and to be clear: this is very much an "can't beat them, join them" compromise for me), though, the 5090 is at a current "sweet spot" point where it's not only very fast, but has just enough VRAM to run some of the currently more popular models with decent context (~200k), on a lightweight Linux distro. I still would probably not have purchased one at their 3.3-3.5k+ price tags currently (at least at Microcenter... everywhere else is even higher), but then I saw the HP refurb with a 5090 and a full system attached to it for 3.5k at MC (effectively making the price of the 5090 alone about 2k), and I couldn't pass that up since it was a full machine with a 5090, so I could use it as a fully self-contained AI processing system for the purpose... for the price of just the card.
Again for gaming I will stubbornly stand by every single thing I said before: the 5090 is absolutely unnecessary. I have gamed at 4k on a 2080 at this point. Things ran fine, despite a bit of stuttering image quality was completely fine. I think you only start getting into hitches when you get below ~12GB VRAM. 8 GB should definitely be phased out. The only game that has not run extraordinarily well on my 5070 Ti is a probably Oblivion Remastered. Which is coded like shit. I haven't tried Borderlands yet. I think at the time it released, the annoyance with the 5090 (and the prices people were still buying them at) was pretty on point. Unfortunately, AI shit just ballooned and here we are.
Unfortunately if you are looking to get into LLMs (and to be clear: this is very much an "can't beat them, join them" compromise for me), though, the 5090 is at a current "sweet spot" point where it's not only very fast, but has just enough VRAM to run some of the currently more popular models with decent context (~200k), on a lightweight Linux distro. I still would probably not have purchased one at their 3.3-3.5k+ price tags currently (at least at Microcenter... everywhere else is even higher), but then I saw the HP refurb with a 5090 and a full system attached to it for 3.5k at MC (effectively making the price of the 5090 alone about 2k), and I couldn't pass that up since it was a full machine with a 5090, so I could use it as a fully self-contained AI processing system for the purpose... for the price of just the card.
Again for gaming I will stubbornly stand by every single thing I said before: the 5090 is absolutely unnecessary. I have gamed at 4k on a 2080 at this point. Things ran fine, despite a bit of stuttering image quality was completely fine. I think you only start getting into hitches when you get below ~12GB VRAM. 8 GB should definitely be phased out. The only game that has not run extraordinarily well on my 5070 Ti is a probably Oblivion Remastered. Which is coded like shit. I haven't tried Borderlands yet. I think at the time it released, the annoyance with the 5090 (and the prices people were still buying them at) was pretty on point. Unfortunately, AI shit just ballooned and here we are.
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I don't think that is stubborn, I think that is accurate and that comes from someone who owns one and uses it to game often. Don't get me wrong: I like mine, I'm glad to have one. It is fun and I enjoy getting good frame rates even when turning shit up to ludicrous detail levels in games like Cyberpunk. But is it absolutely NOT necessary. It is a nice luxury. I also game on my laptop which has a 4080 mobile, so like a 4070 or a bit less of performance. That works completely fine, games still look great and I still get to have lots of fun. Yes I prefer the 5090, of course I do, but it isn't necessary to enjoy gaming.
I would liken it to any other luxury like luxury cars: Yes, nice to have if you can (and choose to) afford one but 100% NOT needed.
Near as I know, that doesn't run well on anything because the issues it has are engine related, not power related. So a 5090 would get higher FPS overall, but is still going to have the stuttering issues. It sounds like that just isn't solvable.