Intel Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU Offers Same Performance As Core i9-12900K With “Unlimited Power” at Just 80W

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wow. I was about to cancel my Zen 4 build for this but decided to build it anyways. I am glad I didn't wait. Holy power. Hardware unboxed is legit. Shit they said AMD pushed it, they must have known how hot and power hungry 13900k is. Holy power hungry and them temps in games. 90c in games? lmao.


Throttling in 17sec at stock with a AIO cooler?!?!! LMAO. People are going to pair this with a 4090 and burn their house down.
 

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So you can win most game benchmarks by a few % points. While drawing 3x the power vs a 5800 X3D. If there was any doubt about the best gaming CPU around. Intel probably just sold a ton of 5800x3d and 5600 chips.
Pair these with a 4090 probably won't start fires kac77... brown outs perhaps.
I love that PC tech has now become a game of who can push more watts into less and less bits of sand. Can't wait for next gen when we get the "150c temps are by design don't worry".



"This is the least efficient CPU we have tested... "
Says it all.
 
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So you can win most game benchmarks by a few % points. While drawing 3x the power vs a 5800 X3D. If there was any doubt about the best gaming CPU around. Intel probably just sold a ton of 5800x3d and 5600 chips.
Pair these with a 4090 probably won't start fires kac77... brown outs perhaps.
I love that PC tech has now become a game of who can push more watts into less and less bits of sand. Can't wait for next gen when we get the "150c temps are by design don't worry".



"This is the least efficient CPU we have tested... "
Says it all.


I am cool with 7700x honestly. I stress tested and got -20 off set on curve optimizer and set it to 90c max and I am seeing 60c barely in gaming and boosts more than stock. I think mid range is the best these days. Unless you are doing media stuff stick with mid range for gaming.

Probably gonna just drop in x3d version when its launched and call it a day for next 2-3 years after that.
 
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I am cool with 7700x honestly. I stress tested and got -20 off set on curve optimizer and set it to 90c max and I am seeing 60c barely in gaming and boosts more than stock. I think mid range is the best these days. Unless you are doing media stuff stick with mid range for gaming.

Probably gonna just drop in x3d version when its launched and call it a day for next 2-3 years after that.
I agree with you if your building right now and not wanting to build a new AM4 in its send off year the 7700x is the sweet spot.
I was just watching HUBs Intel review... man I'm on the power usage graphic where he overlayed the wattage scaling for 7950x vs 13900... god damn 7950x maxes out at 185w at 185w the 7950 is scoring 38163 in C23... at 185w Intel is at 27992 310 watts is what it takes Intel to match a 7950x in multithread.
 

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I agree with you if your building right now and not wanting to build a new AM4 in its send off year the 7700x is the sweet spot.
I was just watching HUBs Intel review... man I'm on the power usage graphic where he overlayed the wattage scaling for 7950x vs 13900... god damn 7950x maxes out at 185w at 185w the 7950 is scoring 38163 in C23... at 185w Intel is at 27992 310 watts is what it takes Intel to match a 7950x in multithread.
Yea I feel like for the 7950x amd must have known Intel is pushing much harder on power so they did the same and still came under it lmao.
 

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Will need to look more (ddr-4 vs 5 for example, total platform pricing and gaming revelant specs between platform), but could it be the 13600k ?:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/18.html

I did not had an easy time to find a ddr-4 13600k vs dd5-13600k vs 5800x3d on a 4090 series of benchmark
It will be interesting to see actual reviews on it. I don't know its not like your ever going to upgrade an Intel CPU... I think if I'm in that price range I'm just building a 5600 if all am doing is gaming. Perhaps I just spring for a 5800x3D if I can find one and a solid reliable AM4 board. There are still a handful of games where the 3D part bests even the 13900 at damn near 500 watts. God Damn the 5800x3d really was a gift to gamers. I mean flagship gaming performance (+/- a few % points) at 8 core pricing.... all while pulling 1/4 the power of actual flagships. (no insane cooling needed to maintain boosts or worry your 95 degree chip might melt through the case and floor lol) If you really aren't doing production stuff... what more do you need for the next 3-4 years ? And AM4 rigs are stable as hell now... as rock solid as any platform ever after all these years of support.
 

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It will be interesting to see actual reviews on it. I don't know its not like your ever going to upgrade an Intel CPU... I think if I'm in that price range I'm just building a 5600 if all am doing is gaming. Perhaps I just spring for a 5800x3D if I can find one and a solid reliable AM4 board. There are still a handful of games where the 3D part bests even the 13900 at damn near 500 watts. God Damn the 5800x3d really was a gift to gamers. I mean flagship gaming performance (+/- a few % points) at 8 core pricing.... all while pulling 1/4 the power of actual flagships. (no insane cooling needed to maintain boosts or worry your 95 degree chip might melt through the case and floor lol) If you really aren't doing production stuff... what more do you need for the next 3-4 years ? And AM4 rigs are stable as hell now... as rock solid as any platform ever after all these years of support.
5800x3d really is. I have tons of AM4 boards most of them flashable. So just flash put the chip in and be good for at least 2 years at significantly lower power and cost.
 
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Unless you're dead set on going with a new platform (which I understand if you are), getting a 5800X3D and a robust ZEN3 board w/ decent RAM should keep you happily gaming for quite a few years to come. Even if the 7x00X3D comes along and sets a new standard, it's not like you're going to actually need anything like that for a while. Right now the only real motivation is future proofing for when PCIE 5 parts eventually come out. Right now, who knows when that'll be.
 

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It will be interesting to see actual reviews on it. I don't know its not like your ever going to upgrade an Intel CPU... I think if I'm in that price range I'm just building a 5600 if all am doing is gaming. Perhaps I just spring for a 5800x3D if I can find one and a solid reliable AM4 board. There are still a handful of games where the 3D part bests even the 13900 at damn near 500 watts. God Damn the 5800x3d really was a gift to gamers. I mean flagship gaming performance (+/- a few % points) at 8 core pricing.... all while pulling 1/4 the power of actual flagships. (no insane cooling needed to maintain boosts or worry your 95 degree chip might melt through the case and floor lol) If you really aren't doing production stuff... what more do you need for the next 3-4 years ? And AM4 rigs are stable as hell now... as rock solid as any platform ever after all these years of support.
That's well said.

I'm kind of underwhelmed by these processors. They might be awesome for production workloads, but at what cost? As far as gaming is concerned, I agree, the 5800X3D is quite a gift and it's gonna be a great Gaming CPU for several years to come.

I'm guessing these Intel and AMD CPUs are going to be illegal in California... lol
 

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5800x3d really is. I have tons of AM4 boards most of them flashable. So just flash put the chip in and be good for at 2 years at significantly lower power and cost.
I have a 3600x system right now... and I'm starting to think, hmm the 3600x would go into my wives machine with a 2400g in it that also has a RX570 in it anyway. She gets an upgrade.... I grab a 3D. lol
I'm not seeing any reason to do much other then that... I mean for the gaming I do on that system its fine right now anyway. I'm half concerned that the 58003D is going to sell out and AMD might not be inclined to continue supplying them all that badly.
 
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Really??? Costs less, bit faster ingaming and much faster in everything else.
Costs less based on what ? All Intel has released so far is bin pricing. They aren't going to sell for the 1,000 in a box wholesale price.
Also have you not watched or read any of the reviews that all say the 13900 thermal throttles in seconds.
 

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I have a 3600x system right now... and I'm starting to think, hmm the 3600x would go into my wives machine with a 2400g in it that also has a RX570 in it anyway. She gets an upgrade.... I grab a 3D. lol
I'm not seeing any reason to do much other then that... I mean for the gaming I do on that system its fine right now anyway. I'm not seriously concerned that the 58003D is going to sell out and AMD might not be inclined to continue supplying them all that badly.
You'll get a pretty hefty uplift in performance from moving to the 5000 series in general. It's 15-20% faster in almost everything. Your clock speeds will either be in line for the X3D part or faster (due to it's limitations) but it's gonna be a night and day alteration. Good plan on upgrading the wife's rig!
 

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I am not sure if I grasp the 5800x3d talk over the 13600, if you already have an Am4 board that not the question, obviously that ridiculous talk of 5800x3d or 13600K, no brainer.

There is no power-heat issue with gaming with a 13600kf, almost $100 less, a $200 board z690 Aorus Elite will give you 4 m.2 slots, 2.5 gbs, wi-fi 6, and while marginal imo (for one not sure the 13900k would make sense with the DDR-4 board and now I need to rethink all 13600k on DDR-5) here has an higher upgrade path (13900k vs 5950x) and if you like an iGPU you have the option at a good price.

And outside gaming, the 13600 will be a massive upgrade in many cases (you seem to get a bit over to significantly over an 7700x while the 5800x3d will tend to be a bit lower than a regular 5800x).
 
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You'll get a pretty hefty uplift in performance from moving to the 5000 series in general. It's 15-20% faster in almost everything. Your clock speeds will either be in line for the X3D part or faster (due to it's limitations) but it's gonna be a night and day alteration. Good plan on upgrading the wife's rig!
Ya I'm thinking I might... but honestly probably grab a 5800x non 3D. Been some really attractive pricing on those recently. Amazon has em for $308 Canadian right now ($223 us). Probably not a bad upgrade.
 

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I am not sure if I grasp the 5800x3d talk over the 13600K, if you already have an Am4 board that not the question, obviously that ridiculous talk of 5800x3d or 13600K.

There is no power-heat issue with gaming with a 13600kf, almost $100 less, a $200 board z690 Aorus Elite will give you 4 m.2 slots, 2.5 gbs, wi-fi 6, and while marginal imo here has an higher upgrade path (13900k vs 5950x) and if you like an iGPU you have the option at a good price
I'll admit I thought I was commenting about 13900... if we where talking about 13600 I apologize I was mistaken.
 

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Ya I'm thinking I might... but honestly probably grab a 5800x non 3D. Been some really attractive pricing on those recently. Amazon has em for $308 Canadian right now ($223 us). Probably not a bad upgrade.
The 5800X is a nice processor, my uncle loves it. You might be able to save even more money if you go with a 5700X , it will only shave 2% off.

According to Geekbench 5, it appears the 5700X sits in the higher boost frequencies of its frequency curve, with less than a 2% deficit in performance compared to the 5800X. The 5700X scored 1645 points in the single-threaded tests, and 10196 in the multi-threaded benchmark run. Mar 29, 2022
 

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Costs less based on what ? All Intel has released so far is bin pricing. They aren't going to sell for the 1,000 in a box wholesale price.
Also have you not watched or read any of the reviews that all say the 13900 thermal throttles in seconds.
It’s really that hard to search and compare prices in Newegg?
 
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Costs less based on what ? All Intel has released so far is bin pricing. They aren't going to sell for the 1,000 in a box wholesale price.
Also have you not watched or read any of the reviews that all say the 13900 thermal throttles in seconds.
That was before today, lowest online price seem to be:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#sort=-price&page=1
7950x..: 699.00
13900K.: 659.99
13900KF: 629.99
5800x3d: 399.99
7700x..: 399.99
13600K.: 329.99
13600KF: 309.99
7600x..: 299.00
 
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Here's GN's


Sidenote, imagine an entire generation only knowing hardware reviews built around outrage/shock-faced youtube thumbnails and algorithm pandering. How did guys like Kyle Bennett ever manage to get through a hardware review without making dumb faces?

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Edit: But if there has to be a thumbnail? This one would get my clicks every time.

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Sidenote, Imagine an entire generation only knowing reviews built around outrage/shock-faced youtube thumbnails and algorithm pandering. How did guys like Kyle Bennett ever get through a hardware review without all the dumb faces? Bygone era, baby.

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Edit: Now this is the kind of youtube thumbnail I wouldn't have any choice but to click on for a hardware review:

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You could hear the face in the words.
 

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So you can win most game benchmarks by a few % points. While drawing 3x the power vs a 5800 X3D. If there was any doubt about the best gaming CPU around. Intel probably just sold a ton of 5800x3d and 5600 chips.
Pair these with a 4090 probably won't start fires kac77... brown outs perhaps.
I love that PC tech has now become a game of who can push more watts into less and less bits of sand. Can't wait for next gen when we get the "150c temps are by design don't worry".



"This is the least efficient CPU we have tested... "
Says it all.


If CPU temps start getting into the 150 C range think of the case modding possibilites.
"Look guys I don't just have a PC, after a few mods its a pellet smoker too! Amazing usage of waste heat. No more hot pockets for me!"
 

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That's well said.

I'm kind of underwhelmed by these processors. They might be awesome for production workloads, but at what cost? As far as gaming is concerned, I agree, the 5800X3D is quite a gift and it's gonna be a great Gaming CPU for several years to come.

I'm guessing these Intel and AMD CPUs are going to be illegal in California... lol
Actually the Intel 12th and13th gen stuff when paired up with 12VO are amongst the only OEM available CPUs that can meet the California and EU low power mandates, the low power states needed are mostly for idle and sleep states, not for actual power consumption.
Both Intel and AMD this generation are thirsty, but if it takes 45 minutes to do a job at a 300w draw for the new parts, which took 2 hours at 150 watts under the old parts, then technically you have cut down on energy consumption, or more than doubled productivity, in either event, your efficiency is greatly up.
 

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Actually the Intel 12th and13th gen stuff when paired up with 12VO are amongst the only OEM available CPUs that can meet the California and EU low power mandates, the low power states needed are mostly for idle and sleep states, not for actual power consumption.
Both Intel and AMD this generation are thirsty, but if it takes 45 minutes to do a job at a 300w draw for the new parts, which took 2 hours at 150 watts under the old parts, then technically you have cut down on energy consumption, or more than doubled productivity, in either event, your efficiency is greatly up.
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That is pretty much all that needs to be said.
I get people talking about the potential budget 13600 builds for gaming...
The 13900 is just a terrible product. Yes Intel gets their "win"... all it took was an extra 150 watts. I mean its not double the power draw... but its pretty damn close.

The 13900 and 4090 deserve each other... it seems like both Intel and Nvidia are so rattled by potentially loosing a review slide to AMD that they said PUSH the silicon till just shy of melting. GPU crypto is dead there is all sorts of extra power in the grid now.
 

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Yup. The lower end looks a lot more impressive here.
I get they want to isolate the CPU variable for the test, but that review is on a $210 ram kit (and a z790 extreme).

Maybe it stay almost has true with a regular good 3600 kit, but would have been interesting to have both in those graph. Considering a 32 gb Corsair vengeance DDR-4 3600 CL16 is currently $118 on amazon-newegg, you start to compete with a 5800x3d price tag wise it seem.

That said I started that message thinking to say a very expensive DDR-5 kit, $210 is nothing outragous for 6000mhz and still mid range pricing correct inline for a new core-i5 system.
 

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That is pretty much all that needs to be said.
I get people talking about the potential budget 13600 builds for gaming...
The 13900 is just a terrible product. Yes Intel gets their "win"... all it took was an extra 150 watts. I mean its not double the power draw... but its pretty damn close.

The 13900 and 4090 deserve each other... it seems like both Intel and Nvidia are so rattled by potentially loosing a review slide to AMD that they said PUSH the silicon till just shy of melting. GPU crypto is dead there is all sorts of extra power in the grid now.
AMD, the fastest processors in the world under 300 watts :D
 

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The 13900 and 4090 deserve each other... it seems like both Intel and Nvidia are so rattled by potentially loosing a review slide to AMD that they said PUSH the silicon till just shy of melting. GPU crypto is dead there is all sorts of extra power in the grid now.
On the worst Zotac performing card with a quiet bios the 4090 GPU max out at 72 under 32 db of noise while gaming, a lot of indication that it is the other way around (because of little gain), that they could have pushed 33% more power into it and did not.

They push a lot of heat but they seem to be far and away from their melting temp because of the overbuild cooling, power delivery, etc..

Those reviews of the 13900K did feel to me just how overblown the new Zen4 heat-temp conversation was, how just well managable even a 7950x does look now and how little actual throttling without expensive cooling the 7700x type of cup had.
 

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AMD, the fastest processors in the world under 300 watts :D
Ya Intel gets the win... :) Its not like we can say AMD didn't shoot for the limits too with the 95 degree by design... as scary as it sounds it does seem to work well. Where as places like HUD are reporting Intels13900 anyway throttling after 17s.

This makes me wonder how competitive Intel is going to be in mobile for the next few years. I know the reviewer pressures and hell performance in general in those markets don't determine sales... but I have to think AMD is going to have a serious advantage.
 

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Those reviews of the 13900K did feel to me just how overblown the new Zen4 heat-temp conversation was, how just well managable even a 7950x does look no
Tbf, AMD did nothing at all to show this hidden potential off. They need to understand that just shrugging and going "95c? Lol no big deal" looks a bit silly. It's the same stuff that we make fun of Intel for.

It's nice to see there's a lot of potential for really tightening the power/temp curve under the hood.
 

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Rather glad to see that the Raptor Lake isn't a massive win over Zen4 and with the power consumption/heat I'm even more likely to go Zen4 now since I'll have to do a build relatively soon one way or another, but I was open to Intel if they turned out to have a real winner on their hands; doesn't seem to be the case this time. Anyway, I'm not wondering if I should instead of going 7950X, just start with a 7700X and then wait until the 7950X3D arrives. The only question is how long the wait will be and if there will be mid-gen revamps of mobos for 670E or not - I'd rather not spend for a Crosshair 670E Extreme now only for the improved 3DVcache chip tuned "Alpha" varied to show up in a month or three.
 

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The 300W number is a worst-case scenario for power consumption, by the way. In gaming, a worst-case scenario like Civ 6 consumes around 190W. Still worse than AMD, but let's get some context in the discussion. The 13900K isn't going to be consuming 300W all the time.
 

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They need to understand that just shrugging and going "95c? Lol no big deal" looks a bit silly.
From their point of view it must a bit alien that someone would care if a cpu start to throttle at 95 instead of say 80, they would understand about watt-heat, but how can the temperature matter ? Decade of intel CPU seem to clearly show that there is no life expectancy lost to run a CPU at is planned max standard even if it is 105 celcius.

It is value no one will ever know if they do not go see it on some monitor.
 
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