Insane GPU prices in 2022 WTF?

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Seeing the insane prices of the RTX-4090 @ $1700 to $2000 is ridiculous. Even the RTX 4080 for $1,200 is stupid, I bought my RTX-3080 for $799 back in Nov. 2020, so why is the next gen version 50% higher now?

The RTX-1080 launch price was $599
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series

The RTX-2080 launch price was $699
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

The RTX-3080 launch price was $799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_30_series

So past trends should put the RTX-4080 @ $899, certainly not $1200.
 

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Inflation hit us really hard last year. Fortunately there should be some other lower cost RTX 4000 models coming out down the line.
 

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Inflation hit us really hard last year. Fortunately there should be some other lower cost RTX 4000 models coming out down the line.

The 4080 12GB is really a "4070" not sure why nVidia has two different 4080's? A slower 12GB version, and the 16GB faster version, the 12GB should be named the RTX-4070, and the 16GB the true RTX-4080.
 

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Look at the prices of the new generation CPUs from AMD and Intel, the prices on those really aren't much higher than the last 3 to 4 years, basically only going up approx. 25% tops over 4 years, so a RTX-4080 16GB should realistically be at $989 tops. Or past trends putting it $899, but yes with inflation maybe $999, but NOT $1,200.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i9_processors

i9900k launched @ $475 in 2019
i10900k launched @ $488 in 2020
i11900k launched @ $539 in 2021
i12900k launched @ $589 in 2021
i13900k launching @ $599 in 2022
 

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So past trends should put the RTX-4080 @ $899, certainly not $1200.
I agree.

What I also do not like is cards getting so big they will soon be thicker than two cards in SLI before and certainly they use more power than two cards in SLI in the past.

Power consumption of new high-end parts is getting out of hand...
 

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I'm thinking all the scalpers on the 3000s with people simply accepting to have to pay $2000 for a 3080 for awhile played a role. Sort of like, well gee, all these people are will to pay $1500 for a card, why are we selling them at $800? That sort of thing. I could be totally wrong though. /shrug
 

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Seeing the insane prices of the RTX-4090 @ $1700 to $2000 is ridiculous. Even the RTX 4080 for $1,200 is stupid, I bought my RTX-3080 for $799 back in Nov. 2020, so why is the next gen version 50% higher now?

The RTX-1080 launch price was $599
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series

The RTX-2080 launch price was $699
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

The RTX-3080 launch price was $799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_30_series

So past trends should put the RTX-4080 @ $899, certainly not $1200.

According to my purchase history,

2080 (Gigabyte gaming OC) 899€
3080 (Asus TUF O10G) 879€ (around 80% of the 3090 cores)
4090 12GB will be 1099€ MSRP and the 16GB will be 1469€ MSRP, thats a hell of an inflation (around 55% of the 4090 cores for the 16GB version)
 

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Now that people are used to paying ridiculous prices for graphics cards, manufactures can charge whatever they want and people will gladly pay it. If you're not, well that's ok, a dozen will take your place.

The old frog in the frying pan still rings true.
 

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I literally have the cash in pocket I could go buy a new 4090 video card if they were out right now.

But no way in hell just on principal alone. I would never ever give nVidia My hard-earned money for these outrageous price gouging.

People need to put their foot down and just say no. Don't fall for it. Don't pay these prices.

Let these cards sit and pile up and in a few months they'll have big price reductions.
 

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Inflation hit us really hard last year. Fortunately there should be some other lower cost RTX 4000 models coming out down the line.
The hell with inflation, this trend of up charging to get new tech is not inflation based. It's the corporations screwing people. I'm looking at Intel Mainboards that still seem reasonable to purchase and they have all the features of the new AMD boards and those are screwing people into the ground. These are early adopter "taxes". It's getting pretty disgusting to be honest. I don't make any more money than I did three years ago... But everything keeps going up in price. I can understand Inflation, but this isn't inflation. This is predatory practice.
 

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Now that people are used to paying ridiculous prices for graphics cards, manufactures can charge whatever they want and people will gladly pay it. If you're not, well that's ok, a dozen will take your place.

The old frog in the frying pan still rings true.
You explained it better than I did. :D
 

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AMD just launched their new CPUs, and Intel is about to soon.

Neither pricing is outrageous or like 50% higher priced than the last gen.

So why can Intel and AMD basically keep the same pricing, or just a hair higher on these brand new processors. But nVidia thinks it ok to skyrocket pricing on the new 4000 series.
 

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AMD just launched their new CPUs, and Intel is about to soon.

Neither pricing is outrageous or like 50% higher priced than the last gen.

So why can Intel and AMD basically keep the same pricing, or just a hair higher on these brand new processors. But nVidia thinks it ok to skyrocket pricing on the new 4000 series.
Apples to oranges. Look at the size of the dies and complexities of a GPU compared to an X86 CPU. Plus, you are just buying a small board with the CPU. The GPU board is much more complex and larger as well. Not to mention the cutting edge GDDR on the board. Not saying GPU prices aren't high, but I am saying it's easier for the CPU guys to hold the line.
 

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Apples to oranges. Look at the size of the dies and complexities of a GPU compared to an X86 CPU. Plus, you are just buying a small board with the CPU. The GPU board is much more complex and larger as well. Not to mention the cutting edge GDDR on the board. Not saying GPU prices aren't high, but I am saying it's easier for the CPU guys to hold the line.

Fair point.
 

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Look at console prices, then why is the PS5 and latest X-Box still roughly the same price as older generation prices.

The PS5 at Best Buy is $399 to $599. It's not $1,000.

And they have both CPUs and GPUs inside. So how are Sony and Microsoft not effected by big price increases?

With video cards now approaching $1,500 to $2,000 price range, I can see how console gaming just becomes more and more popular than PC gaming.

For $2k you can buy a nice 55" OLED TV + a PS5 console, and 5.1 speaker setup. Or just get one giant brick oven video card, and someone building a new PC then needs all the components too. A good 4090 PC gaming rig would run like $4,000 to $5,000 with the monitor.
 

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Seeing the insane prices of the RTX-4090 @ $1700 to $2000 is ridiculous. Even the RTX 4080 for $1,200 is stupid, I bought my RTX-3080 for $799 back in Nov. 2020, so why is the next gen version 50% higher now?

So past trends should put the RTX-4080 @ $899, certainly not $1200.
1080: $740 in today dollar world
2080: $825 in today dollar world, founder edition was $943
3080: $915 in today world.

Making your 4080 at $900 not much out of line considering how highly priced Turing was historically.
 

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Look at console prices, then why is the PS5 and latest X-Box still roughly the same price as older generation prices.
One possibility is at least thinking there is more and more ability to monetize having them in someone bedroom. When someone buy a PS5 or XBOX game, Sony and Microsoft make royalty money and the many monthly past, store sales, there are a lot of rumours about those consoles being sales at a lost on launch.


And they have both CPUs and GPUs inside. So how are Sony and Microsoft not effected by big price increases?
Maybe they are, but price increase occur when console usually get cheaper and cheaper over time (older tech with better yield, R&D fully paid for and so on, marketing a lot of upfront)

With video cards now approaching $1,500 to $2,000 price range, I can see how console gaming just becomes more and more popular than PC gaming.
Those halo branding card are not necessarily what matter, RX 6800 16 gig are significantly cheaper than a PS5 on ebay at the moment (around $150-$200 cheaper), if you are to have a computer that would be good enough to run a RX 6800 and a capable PSU, it could be cheaper to game on a PC right now once you consider the deal on buying game on it.

What hurt more is not having well priced $400 4060 on launch that perform around a 3080 than the price of a 4090.
 

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AMD just launched their new CPUs, and Intel is about to soon.

Neither pricing is outrageous or like 50% higher priced than the last gen.

So why can Intel and AMD basically keep the same pricing, or just a hair higher on these brand new processors. But nVidia thinks it ok to skyrocket pricing on the new 4000 series.
Cause people are buying them? If not they will lower. Nvidia is a business and high end GPUs are a luxury good.
 

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Because enough people accept it for better or worse. Imagine there are people that defend the $900+ 4070.
 

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Something tells me they could raise the prices to $2800, and people would probably still line up for them. XD
 

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It is sad how some seem to be almost defending nVidia with their price gouging, whereas Intel CPU's, AMD CPU's, Sony Playstation, and Microsoft X-Box have not seen any substantial price increases in the past 5+ years, only nVidia.

Why is nVidia the only one with price increases? Do the GeForce RTX cards have some super high-end components, and extremely rare and difficult manufacturing process that neither, Microsoft, Sony, AMD, or Intel also have to make their stuff?
 

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It'll be ironic if the RTX 4090 releases before the GT 1010.
 
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It is sad how some seem to be almost defending nVidia with their price gouging, whereas Intel CPU's, AMD CPU's, Sony Playstation, and Microsoft X-Box have not seen any substantial price increases in the past 5+ years, only nVidia.

Why is nVidia the only one with price increases? Do the GeForce RTX cards have some super high-end components, and extremely rare and difficult manufacturing process that neither, Microsoft, Sony, AMD, or Intel also have to make their stuff?
Apple has like a 40% profit margin built into their prices. Why do they do it? Because people will pay up.
 

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Apple has like a 40% profit margin built into their prices. Why do they do it? Because people will pay up.

But the iPhone 14 Pro Max today is $1099, same as last years 13 Pro Max price, which was the same as the 12 PM, and same as the 11 Pro Max. So Apple somehow aren't effected by memory or chipset inflation costs, only nVidia?

If Apple was like nVidia, the new 14 Pro Max wouldn't be $1099, it'd be like $1,500, but somehow Apple is able to keep each new generation of their high-end smartphone the same price for many years in a row now.
 

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But the iPhone 14 Pro Max today is $1099, same as last years 13 Pro Max price, which was the same as the 12 PM, and same as the 11 Pro Max. So Apple somehow aren't effected by memory or chipset inflation costs, only nVidia?

If Apple was like nVidia, the new 14 Pro Max wouldn't be $1099, it's be like $1,500.
Apple sells far more iPhones than Nvidia does gaming GPUs. There is such a thing as volume pricing.

Like I said before. You're comparing apples to oranges.
 
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But the iPhone 14 Pro Max today is $1099, same as last years 13 Pro Max price, which was the same as the 12 PM, and same as the 11 Pro Max. So Apple somehow aren't effected by memory or chipset inflation costs, only nVidia?

If Apple was like nVidia, the new 14 Pro Max wouldn't be $1099, it's be like $1,500.
You're making the mistake of thinking there's some required reason/justification needed for nvidia to charge these high prices. There's not. They want to clear out 30 series inventory, this is how you do it.
 

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Look at console prices, then why is the PS5 and latest X-Box still roughly the same price as older generation prices.

The PS5 at Best Buy is $399 to $599. It's not $1,000.

And they have both CPUs and GPUs inside. So how are Sony and Microsoft not effected by big price increases?
Sony increased the price of the PS5 in several countries----but not the U.S.

Probably because they don't want to deal with the U.S. internet slamming them for it.
 

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A big reason why Nvidia would have rised the price tags, would obviously to me, looking at the scalping and average actual price of the last 2 years, which could have been a gross misculation, but would have been quite different from Iphone and CPU I would imagine in terms of signal.
 

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Seeing the insane prices of the RTX-4090 @ $1700 to $2000 is ridiculous. Even the RTX 4080 for $1,200 is stupid, I bought my RTX-3080 for $799 back in Nov. 2020, so why is the next gen version 50% higher now?

The RTX-1080 launch price was $599
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series

The RTX-2080 launch price was $699
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

The RTX-3080 launch price was $799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_30_series

So past trends should put the RTX-4080 @ $899, certainly not $1200.
The 3080 launch price was 699 so you were looking at the 3080 12gb price there which seems silly since the 3080 12gb had no official launch price at all.
 

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I think it has to do with NVidia trying to move inventory of prior gen and probably has to do with them having to take big hits on the other cards when it comes to the AIBs. On top they are pushing you to buy 4090 it seems. Since 4080 low end is basically what a 4070 should have been based on specs and real 4080 is almost double the cost. Seems to be a play to push you to just buy 4090 that probably has the highest margins. I think you will see the prices on these come down sooner than later probably next 6 months.
 

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AMD just launched their new CPUs, and Intel is about to soon.

Neither pricing is outrageous or like 50% higher priced than the last gen.

So why can Intel and AMD basically keep the same pricing, or just a hair higher on these brand new processors. But nVidia thinks it ok to skyrocket pricing on the new 4000 series.
Miners didn't need the best cpus, any old crap would do basically. So they couldn't do it, or they would have. AMD probably did with their GPUs, but I haven't followed along closely enough.

But intel and amd both have certain CPUs that cost ridiculous, the 12900K for one, it only had more e cores over the 12700K, and the 12900KS which was over $750+. The prices didn't align with the performance or infrastructure.

Big miners bought straight from nvidia and AIBs under the table, so there is a precedent. But with mining dead and a ton of 2nd hand 30 series and similar, like I said, the market will correct itself hopefully. Seeing $850 rtx 3090s and less is a sure sign of it too.
 

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1080: $740 in today dollar world
2080: $825 in today dollar world, founder edition was $943
3080: $915 in today world.

Making your 4080 at $900 not much out of line considering how highly priced Turing was historically.
That's a good point. Though even if we account the crazy inflation, the 4080 should be something like $1000-1050 then. However we cut it, Nvidia's $1200 price tag is a gouge.
 

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That's a good point. Though even if we account the crazy inflation, the 4080 should be something like $1000-1050 then. However we cut it, Nvidia's $1200 price tag is a gouge.
Or the regular 16 gig 4080 around the $950 and the 12 gig around $750 which would be closer to their historical pricing once inflation priced in (if china special tariff goes up again this December, that also new to the price tag too), will see once the review come up, quite the speculation right now without reviews what pricing should look like (and will ultimately look like, if the card do sell they were obviously right on the nose, specially if it does not destroy ampere sell and at those price we can assume the case).

I think $900-950 for the 16 and 700-750 for the 12 could have been a sweet spot, will see.
 

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AMD just launched their new CPUs, and Intel is about to soon.

Neither pricing is outrageous or like 50% higher priced than the last gen.

So why can Intel and AMD basically keep the same pricing, or just a hair higher on these brand new processors. But nVidia thinks it ok to skyrocket pricing on the new 4000 series.
Because Jensen is one greedy SOB. Trying to outdo Jeff Bezos?
 

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Sony increased the price of the PS5 in several countries----but not the U.S.

Probably because they don't want to deal with the U.S. internet slamming them for it.
Actually Sony did raise the price. Sure you get a game with it but I haven't seen a none Horizon bundle for sale in the US for a while now.
 

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I could show people from the trunk of my car, $1 to see the Worlds Biggest Video Card! built by Clowns are Us.

Maybe Toys R Us should sell the FE card.
 
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