One of the worse PC builds you seen.....

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I'm sorta guilty of a messy case. Hard to close the glass door on one side due to the wire bundles, (Door keeps popping open a 1/4" inch) but since it's hidden almost all of the time i've learned to live with it. Rest of the build is fine though except for that one area. :oops:
 

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Remember when round IDE cables showed up? So much easier to work with!
real men folded IDE, Floppy and SCSI cables though :)
 

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Both the showings of customer PC cases and the 4-5 times repeat talk about the harddrives is a bit strange to me (not sure why one would care so much why the customer want many drive in their PC, nice occassion for you to sales them a PCI to sata adapter and time to setup), specially if they spend the money on 10tb drive less assume they need the space, I thought it would be a collection of old 320gb to 1tb at first the way it was presented.

Same goes to the surprise that the PSU with an literal actual 80 platinum certification logo on it is not a cheap one.... on a computer fill with really expensive part
When your old computer becomes your server a case with a lot of 3.5" slots is your friend, you just buy as many and as large disks you're comfortable resilvering with when they die and there is your new server. bonus points for pcie cache and faster nic(s), and as much ram as you can address.
 
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LOL, yeah GN would probably flip out and disagree. Even in their own videos when they go on and on about throttling, they usually only end up showing a single-digit % performance hit in very specific scenarios. The same % that they would dismiss in video card comparison reviews and such. With ribbon cables being a thing of the past, it takes a metric shitload of cables (and risers and cages and whatnot) to be a major issue. A couple fans and a little space and you're good to go. At least unless you live in the desert, have no AC, no thermal paste, run at full load all the time, have a super-hot Intel chip, etc.
I like to have overengineered cooling for when the air conditioning is broken and pandemic-era parts shortages yield window units for an indeterminate amount of time to keep mold from destroying your house. I also like to play videogames outside sometimes. I learned this with one of the nvidia something go that had the class action lawsuit over it's awfulness when my laptop couldn't run bioshock at 1080p in 2007 until it was 40 degrees outside and I played outside.
 

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Bioshock on a laptop in 2007 at 1080P? Niiiice.

I'm actually on my Dell laptop from 2010, right now. My desktop GPU died and the used GPU market is not what I thought it would be. I have the laptop propped up on its front and a little portable fan blowing on the bottom to keep it from throttling. First gen i7 and it gets HOT. Hell, it's hot at idle. Not even a gaming laptop. NVS3100M for the GPU. So yeah. I'm playing Quake. At 720P.
 

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What? No.

Never built anything like that.
I've done stupid things in the past because I didn't know better. My first PC was a Compaq Presario and every time I reinstalled Windows 95 I flashed the bios without knowing why, but I did it anyway. Then one day I just unplugged the PC while it was flashing and to the repair center it went. When I built my true first PC I bought a Pentium II 266 and didn't put a heatsink on it and it died. Luckily the place I bought it allowed me to exchange it. My older PC's didn't really need them so I thought that was the same for the Pentium II. I was mainly self taught and just meandered my way around. It's not like there's webpages and YouTube videos on how to build a PC back then.
 

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I've done stupid things in the past because I didn't know better. My first PC was a Compaq Presario and every time I reinstalled Windows 95 I flashed the bios without knowing why, but I did it anyway. Then one day I just unplugged the PC while it was flashing and to the repair center it went. When I built my true first PC I bought a Pentium II 266 and didn't put a heatsink on it and it died. Luckily the place I bought it allowed me to exchange it. My older PC's didn't really need them so I thought that was the same for the Pentium II. I was mainly self taught and just meandered my way around. It's not like there's webpages and YouTube videos on how to build a PC back then.
One of my earlier builds, I didn't use thermal paste with the CPU fan. It ran OK until I did anything intensive, lol. I had to talk to another guy I worked with to figure out what I had done wrong as there weren't any other resources at the time. I'm pretty sure what was even before hardforum.
 

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I've done stupid things in the past because I didn't know better. My first PC was a Compaq Presario and every time I reinstalled Windows 95 I flashed the bios without knowing why, but I did it anyway. Then one day I just unplugged the PC while it was flashing and to the repair center it went. When I built my true first PC I bought a Pentium II 266 and didn't put a heatsink on it and it died. Luckily the place I bought it allowed me to exchange it. My older PC's didn't really need them so I thought that was the same for the Pentium II. I was mainly self taught and just meandered my way around. It's not like there's webpages and YouTube videos on how to build a PC back then.
Can't blame you really ,some Pentium II's didn't even have a heatsink. I had a Compaq Deskpro back in the day with a Pentium II with no heatsink and it worked fine.

One of these:
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In fact, this was the desktop that I had and I put a GeForce 3 into and played Max Payne on. Wasn't perfect, but it worked.
 

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I like Steve videos, and he's a perfectionist, which is fine. But he spent ten minutes ranting about the restricted airflow in, I think, the Corsair i220t and how it would murder the thermals, only to mumble that it actually wasn't very bad when it came to the numbers.
The trouble with Steve is that he crows too much about how rigorously scientific their hardware testing is, and then shoots from the hip and makes proclamations without doing any actual testing. He's really bad about this with his case reviews, and their testing of "thermals," is theoretically the centerpiece, and the thing he claims no one else does better. He's also really bad about it when they do teardowns of components like graphics cards, where he'll make these proclamations about how terrible some facet of the design is, based mainly on his opinion at the moment.

Speaking as an actual scientist, that's a no-no. At least, it's super bad form to crow about how your experiment is perfect and left nothing to chance, and then shit all over someone else's work without actually testing their hypothesis. He may frequently be right in a technical sense, but that doesn't mean he isn't wrong to do that, and I'm not convinced that their testing really replicates real world conditions all that accurately, anyway.
 

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I've had one case with a window.. NEVER again... I hate cable management with a passion... I have always just not been very good at it.. here are some shots of my pc's circa Nov 2005... looong time ago now... but man what a disaster... my desk is something less of a disaster now... but still a disaster..
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Can't blame you really ,some Pentium II's didn't even have a heatsink. I had a Compaq Deskpro back in the day with a Pentium II with no heatsink and it worked fine.

One of these:
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In fact, this was the desktop that I had and I put a GeForce 3 into and played Max Payne on. Wasn't perfect, but it worked.
My first PC was a Compaq Presario with a Pentium @90Mhz. I had added so much to that thing to make it better. Pentium MMX overdrive that I think ran at 150Mhz but could do 166 if it wasn't for the limitation of the PC. A Voodoo Rush graphics card that I loved no matter how many people said I shouldn't. A Maxtor hard drive that actually held like a Gig or more storage, which at the time was amazing. A CD burner that replaced the original regular CD drive, plus a 33.6K modem to replace the aging 14.4K that came with it. I think I also put in a SoundBlaster AWE64. This was my family's PC but I made it my own. I did screw up along the way but I learned. I remember calling the Compaq technical support line and actually have a very long conversation where the technician took the time to teach me. You just don't get that today. If someone did that today they would be fired.
 

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I don't think this is about cable management per se, but rather someone just shouldn't touch computer parts, ever... (in the OP video)

I mean c'mon, bending shit and shoving stuff in there! And to top things off people that do this crap will get frustrated and return it as defective and get their money back. Disgusting!
 

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I don't think this is about cable management per se, but rather someone just shouldn't touch computer parts, ever... (in the OP video)

I mean c'mon, bending shit and shoving stuff in there! And to top things off people that do this crap will get frustrated and return it as defective and get their money back. Disgusting!
A case is just a box that holds the PC. A lot of reviews just have a test bench where the motherboard is mounted externally because a case doesn't matter. I've modded a case because a 120mm radiator wouldn't fit, so I bent the case with a hammer. It's just case modding done poorly. The thing is it all worked and doesn't have any good reason for it not to work. Missing or incorrect screws does nothing but make the thing look ugly and problematic for transportation. I wouldn't want that person working on my PC but I wouldn't say that he has no business working on a PC because his standards don't match my own. Mechanics do a lot of shit like this that you're not even aware of. Ever seen a car where the carpet was cut for no good reason? Chances are a mechanic cut it to get access to wires, probably because for the O2 sensor. I saw a mechanic cut a grove into the cars body to get to a motor mount because he couldn't be bothered to remove the wiper assembly. If this were my car I'd freak out and tell them to replace and repair the damage they've done. The reality is people won't see the hole cause they almost never open the hood, and won't notice the cut carpet because they rarely clean their car. Even if they did they wouldn't know how that happened. If I close the computer case and hand the PC to you, chances are the end user won't open it up and check my work. It's all about standards and if you have high standards then you wouldn't have done the work like this to begin with.
 

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My first PC was a Compaq Presario with a Pentium @90Mhz. I had added so much to that thing to make it better. Pentium MMX overdrive that I think ran at 150Mhz but could do 166 if it wasn't for the limitation of the PC. A Voodoo Rush graphics card that I loved no matter how many people said I shouldn't. A Maxtor hard drive that actually held like a Gig or more storage, which at the time was amazing. A CD burner that replaced the original regular CD drive, plus a 33.6K modem to replace the aging 14.4K that came with it. I think I also put in a SoundBlaster AWE64. This was my family's PC but I made it my own. I did screw up along the way but I learned. I remember calling the Compaq technical support line and actually have a very long conversation where the technician took the time to teach me. You just don't get that today. If someone did that today they would be fired.

At least yours had a path that was somewhat reasonable for upgrading.

My first PC was a Packard Bell Legend IV, which was a truly non-upgradeable system, and almost everything that could have broken in it, did break in a year's time.

When I sent it back to the company for warranty repair after it's eleventh month of ownership, they held onto it, with no communication, until the first day after the year's warranty had expired, and finally contacted me, saying "sorry, but it's out of warranty."

Trying to build my first standard PC while trying to reuse some of the parts from that Packard Bell system was an absolute nightmare, since the only things I could port over were the floppy drives, and that really shitty Oak 256 K VGA video card. I made my own fair share of mistakes on my first build, but in the end, did make a system that lasted through several more upgrades (386 SX-25 with 2 MB memory -> 486 DLC-33 with 4 MB memory -> 486 DX 40 with 16 MB of memory -> 486 DX2-66). I could probably have made my own "worst PC building attempt" video had my briefcase sized camcorder not crapped out on me...
 

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In that case yes, In something like a Fractal R5 or R6...cable management is still a piece of cake.
I did upgrade to R4 later and it made life easier. My current P600s is on another level of flexibility though and cable management was a non issue (and air actually flows now).
 

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Except for the video card stuff in the original video I really don't see anything particularly egregious. Nothing that PCIE riser cable couldn't alleviate...I mean I wouldn't go out of my way to show that to people, and who doesn't have a bunch of dead hardware still mounted in their case?
 

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When a build affects stability and lifetime of operation then its garbage. I'm not talking about cable management to improve airflow [sic], but when something doesn't fit, bending stuff isn't the way to go about things. I've done high end custom work which has included stretching chassis by cutting and tig welding additional metal stock, bead blasting, powder coating, et al. Because the customer wants the design and knows up front what it costs. Me personally, I've had a system that has been sitting on a pelican case out in the open for the past 7 years! The same is true about cars. And like cars, it's absolutely insane what people do to them both "fixing" and just driving around until they fall apart without care. Check out a Youtube channel Just Rolled In to get an idea!

Today's simple builds with a single GPU, nvme, no optical drives and add in cards are a walk in the park and there's literally no excuse for poor cable management. High end water with multiple sockets,GPUs and other add in cards, OTOH, can quickly turn to squid and not just get messy but could end up with a pile of dead parts in the hand of the equivalent of a butcher. ;-)

The OP video, for example; is DOA simply because the owner failed out the gate with improper CPU and RAM installation. If that was an MSI "Godlike" board, the OLED would probably have scrolled "QUAD DAMAGE" on initial power up! :-D
 

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I've had one case with a window.. NEVER again... I hate cable management with a passion... I have always just not been very good at it.. here are some shots of my pc's circa Nov 2005... looong time ago now... but man what a disaster... my desk is something less of a disaster now... but still a disaster..
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Cable management!? GTFO with that.
Shame I didn't snap pics of the inside of my rig back then. And for some reason my pics are low rez, thought I had my 8mp camera set higher, or maybe photobucket messed with them. Wished I had a camera back when I did my case mod tho.
 

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And it was fun to watch the IT guru cringe when he saw a bent IDE or SCSI cable. Too worried about stress on cable.
I used to bend them when making 90 degree turns. The 80 pin IDE ribbons were stiff enough as well as the 68pin UW ribbons and as long as it wasn't bent back and forth it never was an issue.
I did a few workstations with rounded U320 cables and had low profile terminators. Very clean but those were pricey too.
When builds started featuring CCFL tubes I knew things were going downhill as that road lead us to the dreaded RGB unicorn fantasy land and now that is everywhere.
 

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When a build affects stability and lifetime of operation then its garbage. I'm not talking about cable management to improve airflow [sic], but when something doesn't fit, bending stuff isn't the way to go about things. I've done high end custom work which has included stretching chassis by cutting and tig welding additional metal stock, bead blasting, powder coating, et al. Because the customer wants the design and knows up front what it costs. Me personally, I've had a system that has been sitting on a pelican case out in the open for the past 7 years! The same is true about cars. And like cars, it's absolutely insane what people do to them both "fixing" and just driving around until they fall apart without care. Check out a Youtube channel Just Rolled In to get an idea!

Today's simple builds with a single GPU, nvme, no optical drives and add in cards are a walk in the park and there's literally no excuse for poor cable management. High end water with multiple sockets,GPUs and other add in cards, OTOH, can quickly turn to squid and not just get messy but could end up with a pile of dead parts in the hand of the equivalent of a butcher. ;-)

The OP video, for example; is DOA simply because the owner failed out the gate with improper CPU and RAM installation. If that was an MSI "Godlike" board, the OLED would probably have scrolled "QUAD DAMAGE" on initial power up! :-D
Betcha you would've cringe with my PC mod back in the day if you saw it.
-Two SF-201B riveted together, with a gutted 6 outlet 1000va Belkin UPS with extra batteries, a early era water cooling kit sold with a 110v aquarium pump and 120mm heater core, stuffed inside the 2nd case. That was a deathtrap waiting to happen.
 

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I used to bend them when making 90 degree turns. The 80 pin IDE ribbons were stiff enough as well as the 68pin UW ribbons and as long as it wasn't bent back and forth it never was an issue.
I did a few workstations with rounded U320 cables and had low profile terminators. Very clean but those were pricey too.
When builds started featuring CCFL tubes I knew things were going downhill as that road lead us to the dreaded RGB unicorn fantasy land and now that is everywhere.
I used to cut and round my IDEs, every 8 wires, then I saw rounded cables.
I wonder what happened to my q6600, 9700GT with purple CCFLs?.....
 

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One of my old college roommates just opened up his case case and had a desk fan blow into it. Our place at the time had a piss poor AC and things got really, really hot. It looked funny as hell, but it worked fantastically. If you don't give a damn about aesthetics (or the sound of a desk fan), I bet it would work as well as any case fan setup.
 

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I used to bend them when making 90 degree turns. The 80 pin IDE ribbons were stiff enough as well as the 68pin UW ribbons and as long as it wasn't bent back and forth it never was an issue.
I did a few workstations with rounded U320 cables and had low profile terminators. Very clean but those were pricey too.
When builds started featuring CCFL tubes I knew things were going downhill as that road lead us to the dreaded RGB unicorn fantasy land and now that is everywhere.
Had the CCFL vibe too.

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Yes those actinic blue bulbs were the blacklight of the day with fluorescent sata cables and odds and ins made for interesting looking builds. Now everything is LED. At least the inverters for the CCFLs were fun to wire up to do shocking things! ;)
 

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One of my old college roommates just opened up his case case and had a desk fan blow into it. Our place at the time had a piss poor AC and things got really, really hot. It looked funny as hell, but it worked fantastically. If you don't give a damn about aesthetics (or the sound of a desk fan), I bet it would work as well as any case fan setup.
I did the same thing with my 8 bit gear, so very long ago. Lids off, fans on was a summer reality.
 

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Welcome to 2006 when I was 15. My P4 3.4Ghz "gaming server" for Counter Strike and my AMD X2, 6600GT SLI gaming machine. These are the oldest images that I have of those PC's. I built my first PC in 2004 which was basically my dad old PC that I put back together, that's the machine that became the server lol. Also back then, I gave zero crap about wiring management.

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Homie, back in 97 most looked like this. Come to a LAN party between 97-2004 and most looked like this.
 

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I once did a stint as a QC/ISO inspector for a MV switchgear industrial power shop. The senior wiremen were like artisans, every wire had a tag and bundled perfectly with no excess runs. The new gen wiremen's work looked like a rats nest but at the end of inspection it still worked as engineered.
 

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I am as guilty as anyone for doing similar work at one time as far as cable management. Funny enough though learning how to re-sleave PSU cables built my confidence up to rebuild wiring harnesses in the field as a military mechanic on armored vehicles. Once I realized it was the same concept just more pins to check it all clicked.
 
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